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Jewish Control Of The Catholic Mind – Interview With E. Michael Jones



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E. MICHAEL JONES, AUTHOR AND HISTORIAN, is a former professor at Saint Mary’s College in Indiana and the current publisher of Culture Wars Magazine.

As the author of several books, Jones’ later works focus on Jewish opposition to the Catholic Church throughout history and its pernicious effect on Western culture.

His masterwork, The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit, outlines through a tour of world history, Jewish strategies designed to oppose Christian society from the times of Christ to the present day. (Order Here.)


Brother Nathanael Kapner: Can you tell us of your own experiences in the scenario of Catholic-Jewish dialogue?

E. Michael Jones PhD: In the spring of 2009, I was asked to teach a course on the revolutionary Jew, based on my book, “The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit,” at the Little Flower Parish in South Bend, Indiana.

Every rabbi in town and the Jewish Federation called the Parish demanding that my invitation be revoked. I was then informed that my course would be replaced by a series of lectures on Jesus to be team-taught by a local rabbi and a Notre Dame grad with a Master’s Degree in Theology.

The text for the course was, “The Misunderstood Jew,” by Amy Jill Levine, a book which blasphemes Jesus Christ, contradicts the New Testament, and slanders the Catholic Church. One of Levine’s favorite topics, as featured in her talks at ADL conferences, is how the New Testament “infects congregations and classrooms around the world with anti-Semitism.”

This past winter, Bishop Kevin Rhoades was appointed to our diocese in Indiana. Rhoades had demanded that the renowned Catholic apologist, Dr. Robert Sungenis, cease from speaking about the Jews due to his “disruption” of Catholic-Jewish dialogue. If Bp. Rhoades is interested in how dialogue really works in his new diocese he should look into how my course was replaced.

Br. Nathanael: Is the dialogue between Jews and Catholics bearing any fruit?

E. Michael Jones: Only for the Jews.

For example, last January, Rabbi David Rosen, Director of the American Jewish Committee’s Department for Interreligious Affairs, told the Jerusalem Post that he would be “very surprised” if the Society of St. Pius X were readmitted to the Catholic Church due to Bp. Williamson’s ‘holocaust denial.’

Earlier, Rosen told the Post, “The embrace of an open Holocaust denier and the Society he represents, is shameful, a serious blow for Jewish-Vatican relations.”

Rabbi Rosen is now claiming veto power for the Jews in determining who is and who is not a good Catholic so as either to be admitted or shut out from the Church. In other words, dialogue has become the vehicle for Jewish control of the Catholic mind.

Br. Nathanael: What about maintaining good relations with the Jews?

E. Michael Jones: The Church can have unity or she can have good relations with the Jews. But she can’t have both.


Br. Nathanael: Are Catholics beginning to react against Jewish control of the Catholic Church?

E. Michael Jones: Indeed they are. Our Bishops are beginning to as well. This is because dialogue has become a synonym for Jewish subversion of Church teaching.

After years of dialogue, the US Conference of Catholic Bishops under the direction of Cardinal Keeler, issued a joint Catholic Jewish statement in 2002 on “Covenant and Mission” which affirmed that Jews could be saved without accepting Christ as their saviour.

However, in June 2009 the same bishops had to issue a “clarification” which repudiated their own statement. It turns out that, upon reflection, the bishops concluded that the Mosaic covenant between God and the Jews was no longer “eternally valid,” and that Jews did have to convert if they wanted to be saved after all.

Br. Nathanael: You say that dialogue is a synonym for Jewish subversion of Catholic teaching. Are there any examples of this activity by organized Jewry?

E. Michael Jones: Yes. In spite of all the dialogue, Jewry’s hidden agenda to subvert the Church came to the fore recently.

On September 17, 2009, the Anti-Defamation League, the American Jewish Committee, B’nai B’rith International, the Central Conference of American Rabbis, Hadassah, the Jewish Council for Public Affairs, the National Council of Jewish Women, Na’amat USA, the Rabbinical Assembly, the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism, and the Women of Reform Judaism, all signed a friend of the court brief demanding that Obama allow the Catholic Church no exemptions of “Right of Conscience” when it comes to hiring homosexuals. Jews allow for themselves “right of conscience” but will not allow it for Catholics.

The intent behind Jewry’s court brief to Obama is to create a fifth column within the Catholic Church, one which, because of the nature of its sexual activities, can be used to prompt a whole new series of lawsuits. With “Elder Brothers” like this, as Catholic-Jewish dialogue has defined the Jews, who needs enemies? View Entire Story Here & Here.


Br. Nathanael: How did Abraham Foxman of the ADL respond to the Bishops’ assertion that Jews must embrace Christ?

E. Michael Jones: Foxman was outraged by what he considered a volte face on dialogue. In September 2009, Foxman delivered a scathing denunciation of the Bishops’ clarification. But the simple fact remained: Whenever the bishops engaged in dialogue with the Jews, they repudiated the Gospel.

Conversely, when our Bishops acted on their own and reaffirmed the Gospel, they invariably outraged the Jews. This leads me to refine my previous statement: The Church can proclaim the Gospel or she can pursue good relations with the Jews. But she can’t do both.

Br. Nathanael: Why do you think the Jews become outraged at the preaching of the Gospel?

E. Michael Jones: Anyone who has read the Gospel of St. John or the Acts of the Apostles or St. Paul’s Epistle to the Thessalonians should know the answer. It’s because the Jews rejected Christ, and in rejecting Christ they rejected Logos, and in rejecting Logos — the Reason for the universe and its redemption — they became, not only as St. Paul puts it, “enemies of the entire human race,” but foes of the moral and political order of the universe. As a result, the Jews engage in continual anarchy against reason and truth, a decision they solemnly ratified when they chose Barabbas over Christ.

Rejection of Jesus Christ is the core of Jewish identity. And this identity will remain so until the Jews repudiate their rejection of Jesus Christ and accept Him as their saviour.

Br. Nathanael: Has there been any outrage towards you by the ADL due to your tremendous influence through Culture Wars Magazine amongst thousands of Catholics?

E. Michael Jones: In May 2009, following the appearance of my article, ”Deborah Lipstadt and Holocaust Denial,” Abraham Foxman, screech owl of the Anti Defamation League, put me on their Web Sites’ most wanted list. By calling me, in his typical use of propaganda against those who expose his lies and agenda, an “extremist,” Foxman sought to discredit me. But it didn’t work.

It didn’t work because Catholics are beginning to connect the dots. And if connecting the dots leaves us open to the charge of anti-Semitism, we simply respond by saying that correcting bad theology on the Jews is our way of helping them.

To put it another way, Culture Wars has broken the lock which has kept the Catholic mind under Jewish control for the past 40 years. Foxman now realizes that the Church is heading in the other direction on all of the issues that he and the Jews whom he represents consider crucial to their cause but ruinous to ours.

After 40 years of unprecedented advances in subversion and covert warfare, the Jews are finally starting to lose control of the Catholic mind.

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  1. Brother Nathanael January 17, 2010 @ 6:13 pm

    Dear Real Zionist News Family & All Readers,

    It was great working for the first time with E. Michael Jones. He and I really hit it off.

    Please let me know if you liked this interview and if you would all like to see more.

    We are both from the East Coast, and in our own unique ways, intensely zealous for Christ. He, for the Catholic Church, I for the Holy Orthodox Church. Hopefully, one day we can re-unite and solve our differences. We were together for 10 centuries before the beginning of the break in the 11th Century and we share many of the same saints. We certainly share and agree with the 7 Holy Ecumenical Councils.

    Michael is a bit more optimistic than I regarding a change in our society from Jewish control. I really don’t see it changing, in fact, I see it getting worse.

    The Jews with their militarists, just pulled off another false flag, another “terrorist” hoax, with the panty bomber. The boy got on the plane in Amsterdam without a passport. The Haskells’ testimony was blacked out by the Jew-owned media and Chertoff (I was the FIRST to break this news) is a consultant for Full Body Scanners and will make TONS of bucks from the false flag hoax.

    Americans, dumbed downed Americans, swallowed this hoax, hook – line – and sinker. The passive masses will now let the Jews take their clothes off in front of them and make millions from naked Americans at airports.

    AND – MORE FALSE FLAGS ARE COMING for the Dumbed Downed Americans who BELIEVE what the Jews tell them!

    This is all preparation for the Anti Christ with MORE and MORE intrusive measures coming down the pike until the MARK is made compulsory on our wrists and foreheads. I AIN’T GONNA LET THEM!

    We must do all we can now to prepare for the Anti Christ. (He will be a Jew and come out of the Military/Zionist Complex which now RULES the White House and the ENTIRE Western world.)

    Eat a moderate diet, mostly Vegan if possible. Try to steer clear of prescription drugs, in other words, DON’T build up a dependency on them for minor ailments such as sore throats, common colds, influenza, etc. Depression can be helped by calling on Christ to enter more fully into your inner being.

    AND – Garlic usually covers a multitude of sins.

    I am saying all of this so as to keep you all from the MARK of the beast which if you don’t have affixed on you, you will not be able to “buy or sell” as St John informs us in The Revelation.

    Turn off the TV, (throw it out), stop reading consumerist magazines, spend more time with family, close friends, and read the Bible and Spiritual books on ascetical living.

    Grow a garden for vegetables. Get a goat and if you must have meat, get some chickens. Start shopping at Health Food Stores or on line and once you become a good customer, they will allow you to buy without the MARK of the beast.

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  2. Brother Nathanael January 17, 2010 @ 6:14 pm



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  3. Hi January 17, 2010 @ 6:42 pm

    It’s amazing how Jews will trash and defame American Christians who die for Jewish causes and their wars around the globe — with questionable strategic interest for the U.S.

    From Henry Makow, PhD

  4. Brother Nathanael January 17, 2010 @ 7:11 pm


  5. Renee January 17, 2010 @ 8:04 pm

    How come Anti-Christianity is not a hate crime and why didn’t Jews do more to stop the killing of Jesus Christ?

  6. Jeannon Kralj January 17, 2010 @ 8:27 pm

    Thank you so much for having this excellent conversation with Dr. Jones.

    “they became, not only as St. Paul puts it, “enemies of the entire human race,” but foes of the moral and political order of the universe.”

    I searched and searched but could not find the verse in one of Paul’s epistles where he employs the phrase “enemies of the entire human race.”

    I do believe that most of the subversion of moral values in the USA has been perpetrated by Jewish interests. Television, movies, books, politics is all turned “trashy.” It reminds me of “woe to those who call evil good.” It appears that the social engineers of the USA have turned everything upside down and strongly enforce calling evil good. Those social engineers are largely Jewish it appears.

    Brother Nathanael, your advice about diet and health sound very balanced and sound to me. Will go over those again.

    God bless you in the Name of Jesus Christ Who is Truth.

  7. Traditional Catholic January 17, 2010 @ 8:29 pm

    Brother Nathanael,

    As a Traditional Catholic I found your interview with E Michael Jones extraordinarily interesting, please post the remainder of this fascinating discussion.

    I am going to mail you a donation on Friday.

  8. America, the Beautiful January 17, 2010 @ 8:43 pm

    Hello Brother Nathanael, great article!

    Brother, it won’t be long now before the Orthodox and Catholic Churches re-unite.

    I am very hopeful. Jesus will be returning soon, very soon!

    Praise the Lord, Alleluia! Come Lord Jesus!

  9. Jeannon Kralj January 17, 2010 @ 8:59 pm

    Just wanted to say I found the verse that Dr. Jones referred to…

    “For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, *and are contrary to all men:*

    Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost. (1 Thessalonians 2:14-16)

  10. Adora January 17, 2010 @ 10:23 pm

    I agree with, “Woe to those who call evil, good.”

    Those who do, are storing up the wrath of God. They will not escape the justice of The Creator of mankind and all that is.

    I’ve had chickens in my yard for almost a year now. They are an amusement and I love the organic eggs. I have an organic vegetable garden and I have planted many fruit trees. My property is small but I am making use of every square inch of it. I have large rain barrels to store rain water for watering my garden.

    I believe that the Lord is encouraging me to become self-sufficient because of what the future holds. I have been a truth seeker for many years.

    Thank you Brother Nathanael for being on the side of Jesus and for everything you do.

  11. Eternal Love January 17, 2010 @ 11:08 pm

    Thanks to our Brother and MICHAEL JONES for the interview. A very enlightening and truthful one indeed.

    I found some recent articles about Jewish and Catholic connection.

    “Holocaust hangs over pope’s visit to Rome synagogue”

    “The 82-year-old pontiff, a respected theologian, punctuated his speech with Hebrew words, stressing the two faiths’ common heritage.

    “We pray to the same God and have the same roots but often remain unknown to each other,” he said.”

    Well, this is something very telling… Could the pope be right…? I also wonder whether our pope is a Vegan, living in strict fast and prayer..

    You will see a picture of the pope talking with chief Rabbi Riccardo Di Segni in Rome’s main Synagogue.

    Israel asks pope to open up WWII archives

    “I asked the pope to find a way to make it possible to open the archives in the Vatican in order to give some details of the papacy of Pius XII in order to ease tensions between the Jewish people and Catholics,” Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Silvan Shalom told Reuters at the end of the pope’s visit to Rome’s synagogue. ”

    What tensions..??? I have not heard and read about any kind of tension between the ordinary Jewish and Catholic people??? But of course somebody has interest “tensions” to exist… The more “tensions” the better LOL

    Lots of Love,

    Please, support our fundraising campaign to help the Noble cause of our Brother fighting for Christianity and our Common Good!!!

    Eternal Love

  12. Roxan January 18, 2010 @ 12:10 am

    I would like to donate, but I am ill with MCS (multiple chemical sensitivity) treated just like those ill with Agent Orange & Gulf War Syndrome (even though I’ve never been in the military) and my income is essentially in the toilet.

    And…I also thought immediately that the panty bomber was also a false flag incident, especially when the Mainstream Falsimedia started crowing for those strip-search machines and I feel these machines won’t just stay at the airports. We’ll be seeing them at more and more places.

    And the sheeple will use them, but they still fail to see that our borders are left wide open like sieves and illegal aliens are still enticed to come here, so our traitorous government can finally finalize the NAU (North American Union).

  13. true catholic January 18, 2010 @ 2:52 am

    I am a Catholic who believe in that the Catholic church is the one true Church, but I don’t believe in the Jewish satanic Vatican II sect who are the most contrary sect to the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ, maybe you could tell me about the Zionist Communist infiltration of the church.

  14. George January 18, 2010 @ 3:48 am

    Dear America the Beautiful,

    You say, “it won’t be long now before the Orthodox and Catholic Churches re-unite.”

    I really wonder at what sort of union this will be especially when one of the most respected and saintly orthodox monastics of the 20th Century, Paisios the Hagiorite, said the following [my translation]:

    “I say with great sorrow, that of all the pro-unionists [i.e. those in favour of union with Rome] that I have known, I have not viewed them as having at least a crumb or hint of spirituality. However, they do know how to speak about love and union, even though they are not in union with God, because they have not loved Him.

    “I greatly desire to fervently beg all of our pro-unionist brothers: Because the matter of the union of Churches is something spiritual, and we have a need of spiritual love, let us leave it to those, who greatly love God and are theologians like the Fathers of the Church and not simply law experts; to those who offered and offer their whole selves to the service of the Church (instead of offering a great candle); those who were lit up by the fire of the love of God and not by the lighter of the church steward.

    “Let us recognise, that there are not only natural laws but also spiritual laws. Thus, the coming wrath of the God can not be contended with by the committees of sinners (because then we share receive double the wrath), but with repentance and observance of the commandments of the Lord.”

    Apart from the very elegant way in which Fr Paisios exposes the pitfalls of the Rome-Constantinople dialogue, I could also add that the Great Schism occurred when we didn’t have Jew-sympathising, pro-Zionist clergy running the international show.

    If the cause of schism is apostasy from God and His commandments, then what can we await from today’s generation but another disastrous Tower of Babel, with Nimrod aiming his sling-shot at the Truth, because it doesn’t get along well with his ideas?

    Forgive me for my depressing outlook, but I can’t be more polite in my words. The way we are heading is DEAD obvious – excuse the pun.

  15. D C January 18, 2010 @ 5:04 am

    You, Brother Nathanael, are a brave and good man.

    A warrior born. Keep up the good fight. “Nuff said!

  16. Stav January 18, 2010 @ 5:41 am

    Hi all,

    Absolutely fantastic interview brother!

    Any person or group who engages in intense conversations with Zionists, will eventually be affected in a negative way. The same goes for the people in the roman Church how are attempting to do so.

    The agendas involved are evil and I doubt any honest arrangements of any kind can be made with them. and how can this not be so, since these Zionists view the rest of humanity as cattle and pure filth? Does anyone really think one can negotiate even the most trivial of matters with them, in equal and fair terms?

    I think an article like this was inevitable as there are multiple connections between the Roman church and Jewry. Some worse than others. I would definitely like to see more of this, as there is definitely much more to be said about all of this.

    As far as the unification of the Roman church with the Original true Church, I am pessimistic. The best that would happen in my opinion is that a large part of the Roman church would unite back with the Orthodox Church, but the rest would turn against this, in fierce and violent (both metaphorically and realistically) ways. This is because it is much easier and sensible to leave the Roman Church, than actually attempting to change it’s errors, which are of immense proportions.

    There are undoubtedly many, many good people within the religious community that calls it self the “Catholic Church”, and since I am sure God has a plan for them, I think when the time comes, they will freely and rightly so, make the right decision.


  17. Nicolae January 18, 2010 @ 7:39 am

    Christian mafia” rules America

    Published 18 January, 2010, 09:41

    A group known as the “Christian mafia” is the oldest and arguably the most powerful and influential religious rights organization in the United States, says American author Jeff Sharlet.Sharlet’s father is Jewish and his mother Pentecostal.

    He recently published a book entitled “The Family” in which he reveals how the group functions.

    “It goes back to the 1930s. They don’t seek publicity. They like to refer to themselves as the ‘Christian mafia.’ The leaders say the more invisible you can make your organization the more influence it will have,” Sharlet told RT.

    The group has “expansionist ideas of American power” that lead them to a very active role in foreign affairs, says the journalist.

    In his book he describes, among other things, mechanisms through which the mafia influences other countries – mostly ones that are smaller and much weaker economically. For example, he claims the Family has been directly connected to Uganda’s new legislation that authorizes the execution of gays. Why do they need this? The answer is simple:

    “There are a lot of policies they want to influence – gay laws and laws on abortion bring about economic changes,” Sharlet explains. “You go to a small country like Uganda or Somalia or Central America… A few US senators can have an outsized influence there and they can use those countries as guinea pigs for their religious right ideas. They can put into practice the very laws that they can’t get passed here.”

    The idea is to sort of work from outside, the author says. “If you can build this in Central Asia, in Africa, even in Europe, all around the American empire, one day you look up and say – the rest of the world decided this is the way things should be.”


  18. Fr. Joseph January 18, 2010 @ 8:13 am

    “At FATIMA, Our Lady (The Woman of Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12:17 – parens mine) declared: ‘ONLY I CAN HELP YOU.’ Considering the confusion, chaos and violence surrounding us everywhere today, Her words seem less a prophetic promise than an obvious and undeniable statement of fact.” – quoting from

    “The Hour of the Great Trial”
    Message #437 – Malvern, Pennsylvania, USA
    November 15, 1990
    Our Lady, the Mother of God, via Fr. Stephano Gobbi

    “Beloved sons, today I want to tell you of the joy and the comfort that my Immaculate Heart feels in seeing you gathered together in such numbers in these, your spiritual exercises, which you are carrying out in the form of a continuous cenacle. You have comes from almost all the states of this (U.S.A.) country of yours, from Canada and from other countries of Latin America.

    “You are gathered in prayer, offering together with me, by the recitation of the entire Rosary, by your listening to my word, by a solemn holy hour of Eucharistic Adoration, and by the con-celebration of Holy Mass, always presided over by a Bishop, during which you renew your act of Consecration to my Immaculate Heart.

    “You have also wished to make more intense your act of love and reparation TO JESUS present in the Most Holy Eucharist, by your nocturnal Adoration, so pleasing to me and blessed by me, because it has given great comfort and joy to the Eucahristic and Priestly Heart of Jesus.

    “And now, I announce to you that THE HOUR OF GREAT TRIAL is on the point of arriving.

    ” – THE GREAT TRIAL HAS ARRIVED FOR YOUR (US) COUNTRY. How many times, as a concerned and sorrowing Mother, have I endeavored to urge my children to follow the path of conversion and of return to the Lord.

    “I HAVE NOT BEEN LISTENED TO. You have continued to walk along the way of rejection of God, and of His Law of Love. Sins of impurity have become ever more widespread, and immorality has spread like a sea wihch has submerged all things. Homosexuality, a sin of impurity against nature, has been justified; recourse to t he means of preventing life have become commonplace, while abortions – THESE KILLINGS OF INNOCENT CHILDREN, that cry for VENEGEANCE before the Face of God – have spread and are performed in every part of your (U.S.A.) homeland.

    “The moment of DIVINE JUSTICE and of great Mercy has now arrived. You will know the hour of weakness and of poverty; the hour of suffering and defeat; the purifying hour of the great Chastisement.

    ” – The great trial has arrived for your Church. Those errors which have brought peole to the loss of the true Faith have continued to spread. Many Pastors have been neither attentive nor vigilant, and have allowed many rapacious wolves, clothed as lambs, to insinuate themselves into the Flock in order to bring disorder and destruction.

    “How great is your responsibility, O Pastors of the Holy Church of God! You continue along the path of division from the Pope and of the rejection of his Magesterium; indeed, in a hidden way, there is in preparation a true schism which could soon become open and proclaimed.

    “And then, there will remain only a small remnant, over which I will keep watch in the garden of my Immaculate Heart.

    ” – The great trial has arrived for ALL Humanity. The Chastisement, predicted by me at Fatima and contained in that part of the secret which has not yet been revealed, is about to take place. The great moment of DIVINE JUSTICE and of Mercy has come upon the world.

    “For this reason I have wanted you here. You must be the Apostles of these Last Times. Go out everywhere and proclaim with strenght and courage the Gospel of Jesus. Walk along the path of contempt for the world and for yourselves. Illuminate the earth in these times of great darkness. Cause the rays of the Light of your Faith, of your holiness and of your love to come down upon the World.

    “You have been chosen TO COMBAT COURAGEOUSLY against the power of him who places himself in opposition to Christ, in order to obtain, in the end, my greatest victory.

    “Leave this cenacle in confidence; leave in joy and in great hope. I am with you. I am manifesting myself by means of you. I will work prodigies in you, so that all will be able to see my Light and feel my Maternal Presence.

    “Together with your dear ones, together with the souls which are entrusted to you, I bless you all in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.”

    CRUSH SATAN’S HEAD, my dear Bishops of the Lord’s Church Militant here on earth. With the Pope, the Bishop of Rome…

    …publicly and solemnly CONSECRATE Russia to the Immaculately Loving Heart of THE WOMAN of Genesis 3:15, the WOMAN of Revelation 12:17, the Mother of God, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Most Holy Theotokos!

    THE LOGOS Divinely Consecrated HIS APOSTLES and their Successors – THE BISHOPS.

    And the BISHOPS OF THE CHURCH really and truly DO have His Divine Power TO CONSECRATE given to them BY the Eternal Logos!

    Let us NOT go down ‘Without A Fight!’ even in the face of such overwhelming odds against the Church and all of Mankind!

    – Fr. Joseph

  19. Bill in Ohio January 18, 2010 @ 8:32 am

    Good Interview, Brother.

    May I kindly make a recommendation to you and all of your readers to read:


    (Pinay a pen Name for high ranking Catholic Clergy warning attending Bishops of Vatican 2)

    It has 2000 years of Jewish history and their attacks on the Church. I cant recommend it enough. Best of all..

    ITS FREE! Online.

    I paid $12 in my bookstore for a hardcopy though, its worth owning.

    Best to you, God keep you +

  20. TruthSeeker January 18, 2010 @ 9:39 am

    The Jews need to mind their own business and stay out of all Catholic activities and thought. We have no room for them, especially when they feign to be converted!

    It is time for Catholics to revolt against the Jewish liberalization of the Church. Understand that Jewish pushed Second Vatican Council and continue to push for the modernization of the Church to destroy her.

    Revolt! Rebel! How? By being traditional in the face of those who scorn such things. Pay no heed to the Jew and be strong in Christ.

  21. Michael K. January 18, 2010 @ 9:50 am

    Dear Brother Nathanael,

    “It’s because the Jews rejected Christ, and in rejecting Christ they rejected Logos, and in rejecting Logos — the Reason for the universe and its redemption — they became, not only as St. Paul puts it, “enemies of the entire human race,” but foes of the moral and political order of the universe. As a result, the Jews engage in continual anarchy against reason and truth, a decision they solemnly ratified when they chose Barabbas over Christ.”

    This sentiment expressed by the eminent professor indicates much about the origins of our present economic decay and massive abuse and pollution of all of the spheres of earthly existence: biosphere, atmosphere and hydrosphere. The impetus of the engines of economic production which uphold our material culture is the wrong, life-negating one.

    Our machines of industry and modes of agricultural production, handling of great watercourses and drinking water supplies are all expressions of the rebellion against God’s created plan of nature inherent also in the Jewish philosophy. There can be little doubt that gentile error is an equal or greater factor alongside theirs. And the Roman Catholic Church’s suppression of Gallileo is at least one indication of this.

    The basis of life is natural growth through integration, and yet our academies teach a uniform doctrine of growth through dissipation and destruction. This is not the growth according to God’s nature, but the growth of a cancer feeding upon it and sucking it to death. Yet this remains the dogma of our culture, unconsciously supported by both Church and State, the contravention of which is the greatest heresy, for which inventors and lay-experimenters are burned-literally!

    This also finds resonance in the current cultural obsession with the erotic vampire – a mere symbolic reflection of what we are being led to by the teachings of the philosophy of “anarchy against reason and truth” – a rootless system devoid of direct connection to the primal source of new life in which must exist as a parasite and become perversely aroused by this inversion of the normal means by which life occurs.

    This is not only a Jewish error, but is itself the fundamental error inherent in original sin. The Knowledge of Good and Evil is in effect the Kabbalistic knowledge of vampirism, and hence all sins sharing a common origin are vampire-like in effect. But the knowledge of Christ is the sunlight by which the accumulated decay held together by the vampire’s will-form is disintegrated. No wonder they don’t want this light to shine in upon their domain for any reason.

    And when the light of Christ finally dawns upon the movers of industry and the makers of the machines of mass production, mankind will verily be liberated from want and from necessity in a way never before experienced since Eden. The upwelling life force of God’s natural creation of which the wooden stake is emblematic must be driven through the heart of this demon of decay and subjugation to every kind of shortage and want.

    For God has given us the means by which we all may be free to enjoy the liberty and bounty Christ has bestowed upon us an an inheritance. But we must find it and use it against the powers and principalities that are destroying the creation to sustain their undead existence.

    The Peace of Christ be with You.

  22. Fr. Joseph January 18, 2010 @ 10:15 am

    “The moment has come for you to come out from your hiddenness in order to go and shed Light upon the earth.

    “Show yourselves to all my children for I am with you always. Let the Faith be the Light which enlightens you in these days of (spiritual) darkness, and let zeal alone consume you, zeal for the Honor and Glory of my Son JESUS.

    “FIGHT, CHILDREN OF THE LIGHT, because the hour of my Battle has now arrived. In the harshest of winters, you are the buds which are opening up from my Immaculate Heart and which I am placing on the branches of THE CHURCH, to tell you that her most beautiful springtime is about to arrive.

    “This will be for her the second Pentecost. For this reason, I invite you to repeat often in the cenacles, the prayer that I have asked of you:

    ‘COME, HOLY SPIRIT, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, Your well-beloved Spouse.’

    “With the love of a Mother who, during these years, has been listened to, followed and glorified by you, I bless you all in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.”
    – The Mother of God via Fr. Stephano Gobbi –
    Message # 604 – Milan, Italy – Dec. 31, 1997

    – Fr. Joseph

  23. Fr. Joseph January 18, 2010 @ 10:28 am

    February 6, 1994 Message from JESUS

    “Say to My children this: You must know that ABORTION IS MURDER. Inhabitants of the earth, stop committing murder.

    “Time is running out. Repent, repent, repent or else you will suffer, suffer and suffer.

    “I Am the Creator; you are not. I Am the Author of Life; you are not. Do not kill who I have created. The Commandment of God is: Thou shalt not kill.

    “Why do you remain stubborn and in sin. Come back to Me. Come back to Me.

    “Come back to Me WHILE THERE IS STILL TIME.

    “Sin breeds sin. If you choose the darkness of sin, then, so shall you be in darkness.

    “Man, YOU SHALL CRAWL upon the earth like serpents. You choose this way of life with your own FREE WILL.

    “You have taken My gifts and perverted them. You have become selfish.

    “You have filled yoru heart with hate and YOU PLOT EVIL against each other. Violence will beget more violence. Conflicts will turn into WARS.

    “You will battle with each other over laws that you create apart from Me. Then so will the earth tremble is many places. The earth will divide. The earth will divide and take away your riches.

    “Some of you will die suddenly. You will have NO WARNING. My Mother has told you: ‘Prepare, prepare, prepare.’

    “You have closed your ears. You have closed your hearts to Me.

    “When you have PUSHED MY MOTHER ASIDE, I tell you, you have pushed Me aside too. My Mother STANDS with Me.

    “Whe you PUSH GOD ASIDE, then you shall suffer the consequences.

    “The clock continues to tick. The hour is rapidly approaching when one disaster after another will befall you. There will be FIGHTING EVERYWHERE. There will be famine and polluted water is many places.

    “Great waves will crash upon your shores and you will experience cold when you should experience warmth. Flood waters will increase in many places.

    “Fire will be upon the earth. You will think that the heavens and the earth have rebelled against you.

    “The clock continues to tick.

    “Know that all that I have told you and more will come to pass.

    “Repent. Repent. Repent.

    “If you have ears, open them. If you have eyes, open them and come back to Me, Please, dear children.” – quoting from

    – Fr. Joseph

  24. Stephen Slater January 18, 2010 @ 10:53 am

    Finally Christians doing things worthy of martyrdom. Great interview.

    I would really like to see you interview 2 other outstanding personalities, Gilad Atzmon (jazz musician and anti-zionist) and Roi Tov (author of Cross of Bethlehem).

    The true sons of light are awakening.

  25. Fr. Joseph January 18, 2010 @ 10:58 am

    “THE THIRD WORLD WAR must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the ‘agentur’ of the ‘Illuminati’ between the political ZIONISTS adn the leaders of Islamic al” – quoting from:

    “The Secret of Fatima”
    From Our Lord Jesus through ‘Tiny Tree’
    Toronto, Canada – March 7, 2003 – 9:50 p.m.

    “My dearest children, you are standing on the eve of a war, a terrible, awful war, a nuclear war. The Holy Father (i.e. the Pope) is doing everything in order to prevent this war but who listens to him in the Governments that desire this war? The Holy Father knows the Secret of Fatima and knows how this war will end. He knows how many people will be lost and that these nuclear weapons will be utilized by several countries. And he knows which countries will unleash this nuclear barbarism.

    “You have already been informed by Me, Jesus Christ THE KING, this war approaches, that you will bid farewell to your sons, your daugthers, your fathers and mothers – and that this will occur. Already deployed across the ocean to war are one hundred thousand soldiers of the U.S.A.. Everyone of them goes there as if protected and that they will return for sure. For sure, the spirit of the soldier returns, but will the body return? That is only something I know, Jesus Christ THE KING.

    “This will be the greatest war in the history of Mankind. GOD IS PERMITTING THIS WAR, as people nowadays are godless, evil, proud, arrogant and entirely forgetful of God Who Is their Creator. They youth are without (moral-spiritual) life, without (moral) shame, without good manners and without good behavior ALL ACROSS the entire World.

    “Like they were to the mother, present dissolute girls are to their fathers much like their egotistical young boys. Who is responsible for this fault, the youth being so CORRUPT?

    Naturally these, who the world rules over, but also over you mothers and fathers as well. You chase after the dollar day and night. You have no time for your children. You raise them on television that is manipulating them through slimy Masonic permissiveness, to make all of you STUPID, to make you filled with GARBAGE and to turn your minds into MUSH.

    Television is to be used by people, but NOT that type, the type you are being lanced/speared by. This corrupt MASS MEDIA is lancing/spearing you, miring you in a SWAMP, and you watch this stuff and pay good money for it. …

    “The Merciful Time, My ‘Tiny Tree’, is coming to an end because of falling nuclear bombs. And not just on the U.S.A. with radioactive dust covering the ground and rendering you enormous anguish and suffering. Then, at THAT time, ‘Tiny Tree’, you will sent to their rescue because of your great gift of healing. Such are My Ways, higher than your thoughts and plans.

    “Nuclear bombs will fall on the U.S.A. as well, not only in Asia, Africa or Europe. Please GO TO CONFESSION. Confess your sins while you still have the time. Do not delay or put it off! Many of you are soiled with sins and I will grant you forgiveness for everything! The greatest sins as well. The Global Situation is SO DREADFUL and the Church’s Confessionals are SO EMPTY. What are you people waiting for, dearest children of Mine?

    “You raise (doctrinal, theological, geo-political) controversies so that you part from one another. No, never seperate yourselves! This war is going to be a World War and only cinders and ashes will remain. Everything is contained in the Secret of Fatima. What type of destruction this war brings and that brings the end of this Era, yet no one in the Vatican WARNS YOU of this. The CARDINALS OF THE VATICAN remain silent about this and they haven’t allowed THE POPE to release the Secret of Fatima.

    Yet GOD THE FATHER calls for its release in order that THE WHOLE WORLD knows that the remaining Secret of Fatima is terribly frightening. The children of Fatima conveyed this weakly. The Church’s Clergy don’t preach about or announce the Secret of Fatima TO THE PEOPLES OF THE WORLD. The peoples of the whole world MUST KNOW what awaits them and that which will occur.

    “And know this, My dearest children, this War is an injustice. The approaching War IS an injustice. But it will be a PURIFYING and BRUTAL injustice. It won’t occur over petroluem and oil, as you think, you who bring to bear the U.S. Government down upon the whole world.

    THE NATION OF JEWS WANT TO BE LORDS OVER THE ENTIRE WORLD AND ALL OF ITS PEOPLES. By this War they want to begin implementing “chipping”. They already have everything planned and are proceeding step-by-step with THE ENSLAVEMENT OF HUMAN LIFE.

    “You submit to them because they are in ALL GOVERNING POSITIONS. They are in the lowest, superior and highest positions. This is most disturbing, BUT THERE IS NO LACK OF THEM IN AND THROUGHOUT THE CHURCH. They are waiting for the anguish and suffering of this coming war, famine, diseases, cold and catastrophies. My dearest children, ENTIRE NATIONS WILL LAY IN RUINS. Don’t think that ‘The Arabs’ caused this misery.”

    There’s MORE to this particular Message granted to one of the Lord’s Own spiritually intmate and loving visionaries in Canada – ALL OF WHICH either directly or indirectly SUPPORTS-VALIDATES every last thing Br. Nathanael Kapner HAS WRITTEN ABOUT and REPORTED via his RZN ministry here on the Internet.

    Time for me to ‘hit’ a spiritual-aerial REFUELING KC-135 for a while…

    – Fr. Joseph
    ‘Informer’ ‘Communications Expert’
    1st Lieutenant – His Holy Army

  26. george January 18, 2010 @ 11:37 am

    Jesus speaks of the Jews.

    Read the Bible.

  27. enya January 18, 2010 @ 11:49 am

    More words, but no truth. Wake up people Christ is not in the Roman Catholic Church.

    There is only 1 mediator between God and man, and that is the Man Jesus Christ.

    Christ is not in temples made by hands!!! Read your Bibles, the King James version of 1611, there you will find the truth.

  28. Gregory Laux January 18, 2010 @ 12:10 pm

    Truthseeker, what you said is right on target. With Vatican II, the Catholic church was liberalized into being similar to the evil spirits of the Pharisee Jews who are working to setup a godless world order. From what I have observed, I have concluded that Pope John Paul II was the first truly liberal pope who made decisions which have lead the church into ruin.

    Vatican II was an invalid council, in that it has become a grave scandal against the teachings of Jesus Christ, the true founder of the church.

    “They say they are Jews, but they are actually from the synagogue of satan.”

    There are reasons why the Pharisee Jews think they can mix their evil values with our government policies and actions. They are hell bent on punishing true Christians for promoting the commandments and values that Jesus Christ taught.

    Evil people hate justice and truth, which is why you almost never hear a sermon anymore coming from pastors that addresses these aspects to God’s will.

    The MERCY and UNCONDITIONAL love sermons are straight from the depths of hell, as the word “unconditional” does not ever appear in the Bible in passages that reference God’s love for humanity.

    Jesus Christ was quite clear about who would be trying to attack His church when He made many warnings to the Pharisees that they would never see eternal life. He then said those who obey the Pharisees and behave just like them, likewise would never see eternal life. His words were “Unless your righteousness is greater than that of the Pharisees, you will not see eternal life.”

    God is looking for a people willing to fully love Him and all other human beings in more than just words. God is seeking after those who love in actions, which is how we prove whether or our love is real or a fraud.

    Let it be time that the Pharisees, hiding under the protection of the Jewish label, be fully exposed for the evil they represent. They do not represent the Christian faith nor do they represent the true Jewish faith.

    The God of Abraham warned humanity that these evildoers would hide under the Jewish label to do evil to the human race, in attempts to create their own godless world government and religion. God is always correct about the who and what of human history.

  29. Fr. Joseph January 18, 2010 @ 12:18 pm

    “Salus animus suprema lex”

    “The Supreme Law of the Church is the Salvation of Souls”

    – continuing –

    “Unite yourselves and support one another during this whole brief time for the entire World in whatever might happen to you and that which will be released and fall upon everyone throughout the whole World. You slaughter off your enemies very quickly, yet there is no end to this.

    “SATAN has raised more such ‘lords’ and ‘rulers’ all across the World and they are ALL cunning, deceitful and sly. The massive slaughtering off of people will be short and will include Laity and Clergy. Churches will be closed. Priests will have to go into hiding.

    “There will be earthquakes that will swallow up entire nations of people into the depths of the earth within a minute. Surging oceans will be as tall as a two hundred story skyscraper and entire towns, villages and cities will be swept away into the abyss of the oceans. Storms and lightning will be so powerful that the thunder will be deafening and the lightning blinding. The air temperature will fall to minus 90 degrees Centigrade.

    “Yes, you only have MY MOTHER MARY for protection for your lives that you might survives such low temperatures. And why do you fear this? Tornados not comparable to any winds ever will rush across oceans and lands. There will be huge rains that will pour down upon present countries.

    “Amid all of this you will not convert…how?

    “Then save yourselves now. I will cast over you an entirely new sleep, a great deep sleep, in which you will be shown an entirely new life. There will be new strong, sturdy trees with ripened fruits.

    “And what does THE LORD desire?

    “About 6 billion living people will loose their lives soon. The Vatican is greatly endangered, but none of the Cardinals for once allow themselves to bring any of this to their minds. The Holy Father prays day and night for God’s Mercy for the entire World, and it is for THAT reason this approaching war is constantly delayed. Pray for yourselves and for the Holy Father upon whom rests such great perils and burdens.

    “To you whom I, Jesus Christ THE KING, reveal these things, don’t think I can’t be believed, that these things will not be for decades. This will occur shortly and very soon, sooner than all of you might expect. I remind you to GO TO CONFESSION, already a duty of yours with a waiting line a kilometer long.

    “This is the part of the Secret of Fatima wihch you want revealed, if you want to be My knowledgeable children, what you await, what the World awaits.

    “I know this is full of woe, but it’s the Truth. CORRUPT HUMAN CIVILIZATION, men turning on other men like packs of wolves…this cannot be allowed to continue! There is CORRUPTION within and upon EVERY RUNG of Human Society and at EVERY LEVEL of the Governments of the Nations of this World – and THAT is the greatest corruption.

    “You already know who ‘reigns over’ you at EVERY LEVEL. Greatly humbled soon will be those who LEAST EXPECT IT. And how many of ‘them’ will be left? Their number will be as many as a pear tree has pears during a fertile year – those who will CONVERT TO CHRISTIANITY.

    “You are waiting for the manifestation of the Antichrist. He has ALREADY been ruling over all of you. You know him (via T.V.) That he in this way went to war till he rules over the whole World.

    “God will not agree to this, but it continues right along as the Antichrist has planned; one world government, one currency and one very satanic religion.

    “I Am your God. I Am your Lord, I Jesus Christ THE KING and not some bunch of GREEDY, CARNAL PEOPLE who crucified Me and now who are crucifying YOU, My dear children.

    “That’s enough of what I wanted to tell you.

    “Bless yourselves; pray for strength, that you will endure these difficult times which are rapidly approaching.

    “I’m sending you Divine Grace.

    “I’m your Jesus Christ THE KING.”

    from the Message granted to the Canadian visionary ‘Tiny Tree’

    – Fr. Joseph

  30. Fr. Joseph January 18, 2010 @ 12:57 pm

    ‘The World Struggle is NOT political or economic. Rather, it is RELIGIOUS and THEOLOGICAL. It is either God or atheism.”

    – U.S. 5 Star General Douglas MacArthur to visiting Catholic Bishop Fulton Sheen in Allied Occupied Japan

    “But as for My enemies who did not want Me for their King, bring them here and EXECUTE THEM in My Presence.” – Jesus CHRIST – Gospel of St. Luke – Luke 19:27

    “The NATION OF JEWS want to be lords over the entire World and all of its peoples. … You submit to them because they are in all governing positions. … This is most disturbing, BUT THERE IS ALSO NO LACK OF THEM IN AND THROUGHOUT THE CHURCH.” Jesus Christ to Canandian visionary ‘Tiny Tree’ – March 7, 2003 A.D.

    “Rosenthal says, ‘MOST JEWS do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer…and we aer his chosen people. Lucifer is very much alive.” – quoting from:

    “The work of THE DEVIL will infiltrate EVEN INTO THE CHURCH in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against other bishops….Pray every much the prayers of the Rosary. I ALONE AM ABLE STILL TO SAVE YOU FROM THE CALAMITIES WHICH APPROACH. Those who place their confidence in me will be saved.” – The Mother of God as Our Lady of Akita, Japan, Oct. 1973:

    Again, the Mother of God AS Our Lady of Fatima, Portugal asserted “ONLY I CAN HELP YOU.”

    Com’on! You Bishops of the Church Militant here all across our World!

    Get with the BISHOP OF ROME and publicly and solemnly CONSECRATE RUSSIA per the Mother of God’s ‘BATTLEFIELD INSTRUCTIONS’!

    ALL OF US members of the Human Race, both inside and outside of the Church, WANT TO SEE and WANT TO HEAR SATAN’S HEAD CRUSHED!

    – Fr. Joseph

  31. Brother Nathanael January 18, 2010 @ 1:51 pm

    If “Pearl L.” who recently sent some info from Europe to me is reading this, please email me @

    I would like to discuss something with you. +bn

  32. Fr. Joseph January 18, 2010 @ 1:53 pm

    “…but there is NO LACK OF THEM (JEWS) in and throughout THE CHURCH.” – Jesus Christ to Canadian visionary ‘Tiny Tree’ – 3/2003

    “Rosenthal says, ‘MOST JEWS do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer…and we are his chosen people.”

    “A GREAT CRIME has been committed against the Catholic Church and THE WORLD AT LARGE. The perpetrators of THIS CRIME are men who hold high offices in the Catholic hierarchy; their names will be introduced in the course of this presentation.” – from

    “The Devil’s Final Battle”

    “How I warned and warned that SATAN would enter into the highest realms of the hierarchy of Rome. The Third Secret, My child, is that SATAN would enter into My Son’s Church.” – quoting from

    “Satanism has been practiced in the Vatican”

    – Fr. Joseph

  33. Fr. Joseph January 18, 2010 @ 2:04 pm

    “We are now standing in the face of the GREATEST HISTORICAL CONFRONTATION Humanity has gone through. I do not think that wide circles of American society or wide circles of the CHRISTIAN community realize this fully.

    We are now facing THE FINAL CONFRONATION between the Church and the anti-Church, of the Gospel versus the anti-Gospel.” Karol Cardinal Wojtyla (Pope John Paul II) – quoting from

    “Yes, LUCIFER is God.” – quoting from ‘Deities of Masonry’ here

    A List of Masons in the Hiearchy of the Catholic Church

    “The World Struggle is NOT political or economic. Rather, it is RELIGIOUS and THEOLOGICAL. It is either God or atheism.”
    – U.S. 5 Star General Douglas MacArthur to visiting Catholic Bishop Fulton Sheen in Allied Occupied Japan

    The Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to the Immaculately Loving Heart of THE WOMAN of Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12:17 WILL RESULT IN…

    …SATAN’S HEAD CRUSHED along with St. Michael the Archangel and the Legions of Heavenly WARRIOR Angelics, by the Divine Power of God Himself, DEFEATING ALL OF GOD’S ENEMIES, SEEN AND UNSEEN, ONCE AND FOR ALL AND FOR ALL OF ETERNITY!

    And then…finally…at long last…there will be WORLD PEACE!

    – Fr. Joseph

  34. Traditional Catholic January 18, 2010 @ 2:06 pm

    Apparently USMC rifle sights have a miniature biblical quote branded into them. So what.

    But this Jew is mad:

    “It’s wrong, it violates the Constitution, it violates a number of federal laws,” said Michael “Mikey” Weinstein of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, an advocacy group that seeks to preserve the separation of church and state in the military.

    Can you imagine this nonsense?

    The Jews send young Christian boys to die for their Haifa oil pipeline and then they pull a stunt like this.

  35. Phill January 18, 2010 @ 2:44 pm

    “Don’t blame the Jews. Blame the ‘Neanderthals’ for Zionism.

  36. russ January 18, 2010 @ 2:47 pm

    It seems that the Jews don’t have to target the Catholic Church very hard, from the sorry state of affairs it seems that they have pretty much polluted the Vatican hierarchy already.

    There are so many bright and honorable Catholics that contribute to this site, I sincerely hope you can get your church back on track. What a powerful force it could be against the Zionists.

    BN, I’m with you in believing that things will get worse before they get better. Good advice about self-sufficiency, and people don’t forget your guns.

  37. Gregory Laux January 18, 2010 @ 3:28 pm

    Remember that the ancient prophets all described many characteristics of who the Messiah would be and they wrote about the Messiah coming two times in human history, not just one time.

    This is why many Jews refuse to accept that God could become a human being in order to suffer and die to redeem a fallen human race. Christ died to make it possible once again for souls to be able to obtain salvation, but Christ’s death alone did not give every soul an unconditional right to salvation.

    We live in times when the pagan Jews, the Pharisees, have turned the gospel of Jesus Christ and the commandments that Moses was given completely upside down. They are repeating the very same things that they did in the midst of Christ, almost 2000 years ago.

    Christ confronted them back then and warned them about the eternal consequences they would have before the God of Abraham for rebelling against His commandments and will for their lives.

    In the newspaper forums owned by the Newhouse Brothers and their empire, I talked with some lost rabbis and the Christians who support them about several issues regarding God’s will for humanity.

    For instance, these rabbis said it was okay with God for the Jewish men to have multiple wives at the same time, provided that he could financially provide well for all of his wives. They said it would be fine for one man to have as many as 40 wives, as it is Christianity that places the adultery limit of one wife upon a marriage covenant.

    Another issue they said, was that they can never accept that God would come into the human race as a human being. They said that in every generation there is at least one Messiah, and whether or not they can arrange for that one person to rise to power over all of humanity or not, determines whether it is God’s will for the human only Messiah to come to the Jewish people.

    I have many hours of speaking with these rabbis who speak just like what our culture represents today, by the force of our US government and the corruption that these rebellious Jews brought into the Christian churches through implants.

    It saddens me to see them living in such rebellion to the laws of God, and yet they claim a supremacy of relationship with God at the same time.

    I pray that the eyes of these folks be opened, so they can see the God they have been serving is the human created gods of their desires and not the God of Abraham.

    Brother Nathanael is a great representation of the God of Abraham, as he preaches and lives a gospel of love and truth.

    Long live Brother Nathanael! May the God of Abraham, who created heaven and earth, always Bless you in your walk through this life and in eternity in heaven.

  38. Wilson January 18, 2010 @ 4:44 pm

    When they take everything and give nothing that means they have nothing to give, right?

  39. KHAZARS LOVE TO LIE January 18, 2010 @ 5:16 pm

    Questions for consideration:

    Why don’t goys correct the Khazar religious and civil rights organizations by making them teach about Jesus or stop being anti-goyites?

    Let’s have Jesus in the Synagogue month or let goys be nepotistic pals at the top investment banking firms, as to only have Khazars would be discriminatory.

    Isn’t modern life a double standard-one for the Khazar another for their fellow gentile/goy?

    Goys have the numbers – the lying fake Jew Khazars have no right to push goys around in their own Churches, communities, political groups, or other endeavors.

    If they push Internet2 everybody should totally abstain from the Jewry theatre, Talmudvision, and the Jews papers. I do already. I won’t listen to that NWO Jew commie garbage.

    Don’t feed the beast if he’s forcing us into total mind control. Who wants to read or watch his pinko NWO lies anyway?

    It’s time the people took the power back.

    Why should we let the psychological pathogen of Khazar engineered political correctness and thought police coerce us like cattle?

    Enough is enough.

    A metaphor from nature:

    If you keep bullying and pushing a dog into a corner he will react to the relentless tyrany.

    Damn them for ever thinking they could break our wills.

    Wake up America!

  40. KHAZARS LOVE TO LIE January 18, 2010 @ 5:29 pm

    Related link-

    Hutton Gibson “Catholics Where Has Our Church Gone?”

    This site and video link above discusses the post-modern (and tell me is it a coincidence as to who most of the post-modern subverters are? You know the answer that’s why you read great sites like this) subversion of the great pillar of Western civilization – the Catholic Church.

    Oh yeah, and I’m glad Mel Gibson said the thing he did.

    In fact he shouldv’e went all out and started a weekly broadcast or something instead of kissing the feet of the very group who wants to enslave humanity sans themselves.

  41. Gregory Laux January 18, 2010 @ 6:30 pm

    Now for some of the Vatican II related heresies:

    Since Vatican II, the prayers that the faithful say at Mass changed to now reflect this more humanistic, flesh pleasing god of the zionists. Instead of praying to God that His will be done, no matter what that means for an outcome for souls, the prayers have been changed to say, “God don’t give us what we truly deserve, but have mercy upon us.”

    Another teaching that changed with Vatican II relates to people who are worshipping other gods before the God who made this universe and every soul that will ever exist. I often talk to people who claim to be Catholic that believe they can intentionally live their lives doing what they want, knowing all along what God expects from them, but then these folks claim they can repent on their deathbed and still go to heaven.

    In other words these folks are offering God nothing because they are dying and leaving this world anyways, so submitting to God’s will in the last seconds of your life is offering God scraps, as God knows their priority in life was themselves.

    It angers me when people who know the truth, would rather turn from it and live how they want to, and then they say God will let them into heaven anyways because they gave God the last few seconds of their earthly life. This is a heresy that runs deep in the minds of what one would think are believers with a traditional background and strong faith.

    Another teaching that has been changed is in regards to what GRACE truly is. Many Catholics have accepted that GRACE is a ticket to get out of trouble, like a GET OUT OF JAIL FREE monoply board game card. These fake Catholics have not read where Paul defines what GRACE is and what it can do if the sinner properly responds to the graces that God gives to each human being.

    Paul states that there is a grace that can lead to a soul’s salvation which requires sinners to meet certain conditions regarding the obligations the soul has to God and other souls who are also created by God with dignity. Grace is basically God giving a hardened sinner more knowledge, strength, and time to fulfill their obligations to God and other human beings.

    Because we exist we have obligations to God and our fellow human beings, and there is no way to take those obligations away and still be with God in heaven after we die.

    In Titus chapter 2 we see Paul describe it this way:

    11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. 12 It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, 13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.

    15 These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority.

    So many Catholics have bought the lie that one can be saved exclusively by receiving the graces of God, when the word of God says otherwise. To a sinner that retains their pride and refuses to do what God considers to be right and just, the graces that God gives are of no value towards salvation.

    Another lie that Catholics have decided to believe since Vatican II is that when they sin they can reclassify their sins as being common mistakes, so they have no repenting to do and no reconcilation to do with the victims of their sinful actions.

    Both are straight from the depths of hell and satan, as the Scripture has plenty of examples whereby Christ explains that salvation comes when one seriously takes the responsiblity for their own sins and the damages which were caused in the lives of other people.

    Sin not only injures other people unjustly, but it also interferes with God’s will and plan for the lives of other people. So all sins do more than just affect the victims of the sin, they also affect God’s plan for the lives of the victims. Until a sinner properly addresses that they are assuming they know better than God does for what others were meant to do as part of God’s bigger plan for humanity, then there can be no forgiveness for sin available to the sinner.

    Zachaeus the corrupt tax collector knew what he did was wrong, because he abused his power over the people in order to rob them of what was rightfully theirs, beyond what belonged to Caesar. It was only when this corrupt tax collector made promises to Jesus Christ to give back 4 times what he stole from the people, as well as give half of his worldly wealth to help the poor that Jesus Christ said salvation had come to this man and his house.

    God’s demands of justice are not ended or overruled by His mercy and love. He asks that all humans do what is right, which is the second great commandment in action. Do unto others what you would want done to you.

    I will offer more later on about the other major heresies that came into the Catholic faith since Vatican II.

  42. The Prodigal Son January 18, 2010 @ 8:53 pm


    Thanks for the link !… All (Roman) ‘Catholics’ should visit this site. Also from Hutton Gibson’s page…

    — — —

    Why are you (Roman Catholics) *NOT* Catholic ?

    ‘In the early 1950s, Mrs. Bella V. Dodd, former high-ranking official of the American Communist Party, testified before the same HUAC: “In the 1930s we put eleven hundred men into the priesthood in order to destroy the Church from within.” and “Right now they are in the highest places in the Church.”

    She predicted changes so drastic that “you will not recognize the Church.”

    Dr. Alice von Hildebrand: “Bella Dodd told my husband and me that when she was an active party member, she had dealt with no fewer than four cardinals within the Vatican ‘who were working for us’.” (Latin Mass Magazine, Summer 2001)

    Part of the Message is that toward the end will come an apostasy. To apostatize it is necessary to be Catholic (in the first place). It would appear that most Catholics have followed those who have infiltrated the Church from the top into a noteworthy apostasy. This apostasy is noteworthy for not only change and omission in the Message but glaringly for its refusal to preach and teach the Message.

    Jesus Christ will not be with us all days if we will not preach His entire, immutable Message to all, everywhere, at all times. Since the Second Vatican Council what passes for the Catholic Church has stopped preaching in favor of dialogue with false “religions.”

    We convert individuals in order to save their individual souls. A “religion” has no soul, and cannot be saved. We are to teach, not to discuss, seek new interpretations, accommodate the age, or compromise.

    (…) The chief reason for decay and disappearance of order in the world is the moral abdication of the Catholic Church under control of usurpers who have changed every traditional attitude and practice of the Church beyond recognition, over the last five decades.

    All who have followed the last five “popes,” attended their false worship, followed their new laws, and been “educated” in their perverted schools have unwittingly *LEFT the Catholic Church.* The non-Catholic usurpers have presumed on the great Catholic virtue, obedience, largely secured through misunderstanding of papal infallibility.

    Religion is defined as man’s relationship to God. Such relationship is necessarily achieved on God’s unchanging terms, communicated by His unchangeable revelation. There can exist, therefore, only one true religion, alone meriting salvation. Apostates characteristically seldom return.’

    (…)’Let us now examine what we shall term paradoctrine, the myriad private revelations, many of which show every sign of lunacy or absurdity. We have no intention of saddling you with any of them. **We have everything needed for salvation from the original Deposit of Faith, complete at the death of the last Apostle, St. John.**

    There have been reports of private revelations over the centuries. If belief in these were required for salvation, many of our poor deprived ancestors never had a chance.

    Private revelations, even if undoubtedly true, can bind no one except those who directly receive them. But, we are told, the Church approves them. Church approval is based on non-contradiction of Catholic dogma and morals in the message, not on the truth, credibility, or authenticity of its content.

    Nor can it be argued that certain catastrophic events cannot have happened because the seer(s) would have told us. It simply does not follow that a seer sees or hears anything outside the particular subject of the private revelation, especially if the undisclosed condition or fact is ascertainable by natural means, such as inquiry or observation.

    Some private revelations are so obviously false that their pilgrims and devotees must deliberately deceive themselves. How, for instance, can one seriously accept that the Blessed Virgin told a seer that a third party, sacramentally married for decades, with several grown children, should divorce her husband?

    What was his offense? Failure to believe and financially to support the Medjugorje visionaries. A South American seer has heard from Jesus that He will soon return and tell us the truth. When Paul VI asked the Jesuits how to convince people to accept all his innovations, *they recommended multiple private revelations.*

    In our time, when what appears as God’s Holy Church has removed all our certainties, we tend piously to follow any “supernatural” pipeline from heaven back to stability, and to thank God for granting new hopes never previously needed. A drowning man will grasp at straws.’

    — — —

    ‘Traditional Catholics’ – Why don’t you just convert to Holy Orthodoxy ?

    Eastern Orthodox Christianity has preserved the traditions you (rightly) hold dear which the Vatican has abandoned… and Apostolic Succession has been preserved through the promulgation of Apostolic Doctrine – to this day.

  43. Frank L January 18, 2010 @ 11:43 pm

    Br. Nathanael the Baptist: Putin and the Orthodox Christian Awkening:

  44. charlie January 18, 2010 @ 11:57 pm

    USA bishops are the worst in the world.

    They were the prime target of the Jews and have been almost totally compromised.

    The Jews attack the head and know the pressure is on for the rest, including priests, to follow.

    Any good priest is generally roundly persecuted by his bishop and prevented from preaching.

    The Jews have taken over most important positions. They have ensconsed themselves in the Shrine of the Immaculate Conception — the largest church in America, including, Latin America, which has 75 shrines within it to all sorts of people including Our Lady of Africa, and Our Lady of several other countries.

    But NOT OUR LADY OF AMERICA (!) as this would see their (Jews) destruction from within the Catholic church and their being turfed out like the money changers Jesus turfed out in his time, as Our Lady promised, even before the Shrine had been finished.

    This shrine is the parish of the entire United States and hence has especial importance and significance. It is only natural that the statue of Our Lady of America should be placed there after due procession and ceremony. This idea as natural as it is comes from Our Lady herself.

    She promises peace once this is done but the Catholics haven’t got a clue thinking the opposition to this is coming from the church itself rather from the Jews who have ensconsed themselves in Catholic hierachy, position and privilege, all under a cloak of deception double dealing.

    The rector of the church is a Jew. The communications officer of the church is a Jew.

    I call you out.

    I unmask you, and I tell you, get out!

  45. The Prodigal Son January 19, 2010 @ 12:40 am

    Roman Catholics…

    Here – check it out !

    Eastern Orthodox Christianity: The Real Deal

    — — —

    ‘The Eastern Orthodox Church is the second largest single Christian communion in the world. It is considered by its adherents to be the least changed from its ancient theological roots which stretch back to the beginnings of Christianity.

    It is composed of numerous theologically unified autocephalous ecclesial bodies each shepherded by a synod of independent bishops whose duty is to preserve the traditions of the Church, and who can trace their lineage back to the twelve Apostles through the process of apostolic succession.

    (…) Orthodox Are…

    – The preservers of the teachings and traditions given to the original members of the Church by the Apostles nearly 2000 years ago; and the developers of later traditions which expand and illuminate the original teachings.

    – The preservers of Truth having never fallen into error, comparing all newer theological ideas to the already established beliefs and practices of the Church; accepting ideas that clarify and correctly teach, while rejecting ideas that are theologically incompatible with the original teachings.

    – The compilers of the New Testament whose texts were written to members of the Church in ancient times and expressed an already established doctrine (i.e. The Church was the basis for the New Testament, not the other way around).

    – The Church which established and preserves the original Christian Calendar (based on the Julian calendar) setting the dates for the celebration of the significant events in Christ’s life in Chronological order.

    (…) The Orthodox Church considers Jesus Christ to be the head of the Church and the Church to be his body.

    It is believed that authority and the Grace of God is directly passed down to Orthodox bishops and clergy through the laying on of hands—a practice started by the apostles, and that this unbroken historical and physical link is an essential element of the true church (Acts 8:17, 1 Tim 4:14, Heb 6:2). (…)’

  46. Doug January 19, 2010 @ 1:07 am

    This article is the best so far. E. Michael Jones shines a brilliant light upon the influence of the ADL on the Church. Thank you.

    BTW, the following statement defines the fundemental truth that each and every human being that has lived or is alive today, has been negatively affected by. Every human being alive today needs to hear this Gospel:

    “The Jews rejected Christ, and in rejecting Christ they rejected Logos, and in rejecting Logos — the Reason for the universe and its redemption — they became, not only as St. Paul puts it, “enemies of the entire human race,” but foes of the moral and political order of the universe.

    “As a result, the Jews engage in continual anarchy against reason and truth, a decision they solemnly ratified when they chose Barabbas over Christ.”

  47. Stav January 19, 2010 @ 2:19 am

    Dear Gregory Laux,

    The religious community which calls it self the “Catholic” “Church” was once part of the true unchanged Orthodox Church. In it’s more than 1000 year long apostasy, which started long before the schism officially actually happened, it has changed it’s whole outlook into one that is of the flesh and this world.

    By putting Rome and the Pope before God, everything else has deteriorated to something that is barely recognizable as a Christian Church and is much more akin to a state/country of this world of which it’s citizens are constantly indoctrinated in various ways.

    You mention some of the errors that have been perpetrated in Vatican II, and they are despicable abominations, invented by seriously theologically challenged people. It must be said, that as an Orthodox, one views all other churches as similarly misled in various degrees and levels of seriousness.

    They all share essentially the same family of ideas: They put something else before God and God’s Grace, and therefore their faith eventually becomes grossly disfigured.

    The “Catholics” put the Pope before God. The protestants and their likes, put Scripture before God and His Holy Church. Others, may put other, subjective things or experiences before God, such as personal experiences etc. etc.

    It is wise, right and just to see the Church as it really is, which means, to see how it came to be, Who was it’s founder, how the Scriptures came to be, how Priesthood and thus the Pope came to be. Once one accepts the Church in this context and puts Jesus Christ first in this context, one cannot escapee the fact, that the Orthodox Church has the perfect balance in it’s theology and thus it’s practices.

    You say:

    “…So many Catholics have bought the lie that one can be saved exclusively by receiving the graces of God, when the word of God says otherwise. To a sinner that retains their pride and refuses to do what God considers to be right and just, the graces that God gives are of no value towards salvation….”

    The correct view as relates to God’s Grace, is that in fact, EVERYTHING is in the state of being, because of the Grace of God. This means that even repentance it self, is there because of the grace of God.

    All God expects from us, is humbleness and our trying struggle withing the Grace of God. Jesus Christ Himself spoke about how NO ONE will share His kingdom unless they take His Most Holly Body and Blood. Is this then an act of our own, or is it an act of Grace? It is clear that the miraculous mystery of Holy Communion is an act of immense Grace on the Part of God.

    So, if viewed in this particular way, we can surely see that salvation is a matter of the Grace of God and we only have to try in a consistent fashion to repent and correct our sins and transgressions. And we only can succeed in that if we receive the Grace of God. We cannot save our selves. Salvation is given to us by Christ.

    The only thing we can do, is to get up when we fall, and ask of Christ to grant us everything needed to get Saved, withing the context of the Holy Tradition of the Original Church.

    What the “Catholics” have, is a combination of truly childish theological non-competence with no comprehension at all (because of the lack of Grace they experience) and a worldly spirit (again because of lack of Grace). This has led them to see God’s Grace as something magical, or something more akin to a worldly “contract”, something of a guarantee which can solve any problems they may encounter in their super-twisted version of Christianity.

    Hence their view of the Mother of God as immaculately conception, which they put to God’s Grace, without actually having any to go by in order to understand what God’s Grace is and how it works in us and most importantly Why. This is not to say that we humans can fully understand God’s Grace, but we must at least put it to the correct context.

    Remember also the robber on the Cross next to Jesus Christ, who was forgiven and saved in mere moments before his death. No human would ever be worthy of salvation if it were not for the Grace of God.

    To conclude, the matter of the “Catholic” view of Grace is actually irrelevant. It is irrelevant, because their views are generally so immature and corrupted that there is truly no reason for anyone interested in the Faith to even consider. They have no theology. Instead, they practice a kind of theological/philosophical alchemy, by constantly trying to combine old and new ideas in vague and/or naive ways, to arrive at what is frankly silly conclusions.

    I mean, it is tragic to have millions and millions of “Catholics” to believe these abominations, but on the other hand, if one thinks they are infallible is that not really in essence a completely illogical and silly idea? Yes, it is, and therefore, one should not consider or dwell on their twisted views anymore than some silly pseudoscience or childish gibberish.

    After all these years of plain silliness, anything they produce now, will be heavily infected by it. In the end, one must look towards the truth and turn their back against the silliness that is the “Roman Church” and all its thousands of thousands of other misled fruits.


  48. Fr. Joseph January 19, 2010 @ 3:51 am

    It saddens me to see just how vicious, how cruel and perhaps, how BLIND, people are.

    Here is the Catholic Church confronting the assaults of SATAN since the times after Pope Leo XIII with every imaginable ‘enemy of God’ – from the Freemasons, Rosicrucians, Hermetic Orders, the Kabbalahists, the Jews, the Communists, the neo-pagan New Age secularists – suffering one ‘combat wound’ after another – and these ORTHODOX here smile and shout and snicker in a self-satisfied GLEE about all of this!

    I do not see ONE Catholic Christian of ANY of the Rites of the Catholic Church laying his or her finger on the tip of the nose of ANY member of the Orthodox Church telling them that on account of the sufferings and devastations that millions upom millions of Orthodox Church members have endured since the rise of Jewish Bolsheviks and their satanic Marxist revolution that it is ‘HIGH TIME’ for them to convert to the Catholic Church!

    If it is ORTHODOX ‘SPIRITUALITY’ to sit on the SIDE-LINES and DO NOTHING but SNICKER and LAUGH and belittle the Church being ‘whipped to her death’ by SATAN in order to KILL HER OFF – then you can take Constantinople and Mount Athos and “move to the Moon”.

    You are NOT being any HELP whatsover in confronting and dealing with God’s ENEMIES, seen and unseen!

    – Fr. Joseph

  49. Fr. Joseph January 19, 2010 @ 4:44 am

    Now that I’ve “recollected” myself and regained my inner composure after BATTING AWAY the many “vultures” wanting to pick away at and feed off the bloody, bruised and DYING Mystical Body of Christ Jesus here in this World of ours, let me CHARITABLY share with all of you the Insight, the Grace, granted to me during my private votive Mass this morning which are always offered up to GOD for

    “The Universal Church”

    The Prayer after Holy Communion is:

    “Let us pray,
    We are sustained by Your Sacraments
    We are renewed by this Pledge of Love
    at Your Altar.
    May we live by the Promises of Your Love
    which we receive
    and become a leaven in this World
    Grant this through Christ our Lord. Amen.”

    The random reading FOR my votive Mass FOR the sake of ‘The Universal Church’ was from the Gospel of St. Mark – Mark 4:35-41. Most of you are now ‘Grown Adults’ and can go read that passage for YOURSELVES. I am beginning to see that trying to “spoon feed” ADULTS here on RZN doesn’t get the FOOD down their throats, into their stomachs and then into their MINDS and HEARTS.

    Jesus is with His Apostles on a boat that is being rocked, pounded away by and threated by a VICIOUS STORM out at sea.

    The Apostles go and WAKE UP Jesus sleeping on a cushion in the rear of the boat. The Apostles turn to Jesus with their emotional cries, wails and screams of SURVIVAL in the midst of this vicious storm.

    JESUS gets up, turns to the VICIOUS STORM, raises His Hand and simply says

    “BE QUIET!”

    and the rough pounding seas and the ripping howling winds CEASE. And the Apostles turn to each other and ask out loud ‘What type of Man is this Who commands the seas and the winds?’

    God Incarnate exhibits-demonstrates His Utter Control of and Command over ALL of His Own Creation to His Apostles and, by extension down through the passage of time, to their successors – THE BISHOPS.

    The Church Militant here on earth – right NOW in this year 2010 A.D. – is SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE of yet another fierce STORM where the “spiritual” WINDS of Satan and the “spiritual” TRASHING WAVES of the World’s oceans are THREATENING to submerge and drown the Universal Church here in this contemporary ‘World’.

    It was back in 1884 A.D. that JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF informed His Chief Shepherd – the successor of St. Peter – the Bishop of Rome – Pope Leo XIII that this current satanic STORM would befall His Own Church!

    While it surely seems that the Bishops of the Orthodox Church have taught their people to express JOY and SATISFACTION in seeing satanic evils befall others in the Churches under the jurisdiction of the Bishop of Rome, it was to the Bishop of Rome that the MOST HOLY THEOTOKOS relayed the necessity of a Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to her Immaculately Loving Heart.

    For by that Collegial Consecration – when it is done – her Son will ONCE AGAIN stretch out His Divine Hand out against this SATANIC SPIRITUAL STORM conjured up to take down His Church and the rest of Mankind with it – and COMMAND that this world-wide spiritual satanic storm engulfing the Church and all of Mankind to

    ‘BE QUIET!’

    And just as Christ Jesus commanded demonic spirits TO FLEE from possessed human beings in His Time with us on earth – thus showing His Divine Ability TO RESTORE His Divine Order both over all manner of seen-natural thing AS WELL AS over all manner of unseen-spiritual thing – He will do THAT for all of us in this World of 2010 A.D. if but the BISHOPS of the Catholic Church publicly and solemnly honor His MOTHER – the Most Holy Theotokos.

    Some of the ORTHODOX here on RZN would much prefer seeing the Mother of God NOT receive the worldwide public and solemn RECOGNITION she really and truly deserves from ALL OF MANKIND!

    There is a saying in and throughout the United States AIR FORCE which goes


    That is something that might be worthy of prayerful contemplation throughout the precincts of CONSTANTINOPLE and Mount Athos.

    – Fr. Joseph

  50. russ January 19, 2010 @ 7:16 am

    I can’t help but think that the Jews are enjoying all this bickering and posturing between the Orthodox and Catholic churches, just what they wanted to accomplish!!

    Are you going to play their game, or can we agree to disagree and get on with the fight against Zionist world domination??

  51. jgalindes January 19, 2010 @ 7:18 am

    Relevant to the study of Vatican II and the Jews.

    American Jewish Committee JC’s Interreligious Affairs Timeline

    This timeline is most interesting because it shows from the meticulous Jewish perspective their incessant labor to help change Roman Catholic Church (and other Christian Churches, as well) perception of the Jews according to Jewish interests.

    It can be seen their all encompassing influence, especially on the American Roman Catholic leadership, to enforce their changes pass through into declarations and doctrine inside Vatican II.

    Of interesting historical significance are these letters concerning the preparatory arrangements for a meeting in New York on March 31, 1963 between Jewish scholars and Cardinal Bea.

  52. Stav January 19, 2010 @ 7:54 am

    Hi Fr. Joseph,

    I will repeat my self, for the benefit of the readers here, I am sure you have heard of of this before from other and me.

    You say:

    “It saddens me to see just how vicious, how cruel and perhaps, how BLIND, people are….”

    What should sadden you and your fellow Roman “Catholics”, is the state of your “Church”, it’s worldly outlook on things and the despicable abominations they have introduced into what you once received as perfect truth.

    Everything else you may say, may appear agreeable (don’t get me wrong, I agree on many of your points, but not all of course), yet, it’s source and intent are not. Namely, the implication that the Roman “Church” and Orthodoxy are somehow two different sides – equal – of the same coin, and that somehow we are blind to your good cause etc. etc.

    That is NOT the problem here. The matter here is that I want to make to clear to as many people reading this, that the Orthodox and what you call “Catholic” Churches are NOT in agreement, when it comes to basic and important doctrinal and practical things.

    We do NOT view the Pope as infallible (that’s even if he were not a heretic, which he is);

    We do NOT view the Bishop of Rome or any Patriarch as being something more special in terms of grace or priesthood status than any other Bishop (that’s even if he were not a heretic, which he is);

    We do NOT believe in pulling new doctrine out of our hats whenever we feel like changing things;

    We do NOT produce contradictory theology and doctrines;

    We do NOT engage in “Holy” wars, or engage is treacherous killings of people who we publically consider being fellow Christians (see: killing of Orthodox by Roman “Catholics”);

    We do NOT consecrate inhumane regimes such as the Roman “Church” did with Hitler’s one;

    We do NOT engage in political correctness;

    We do NOT disguise our Priests, then send them over to other countries to gradually convert people to our faith, as the Roman “Church” does with the Uniates;

    We do NOT have special semi-satanic, semi masonic “orders” such as the Jesuits etc. etc.;

    We do NOT disregard Jesus Christ’s specific commandment on giving both the Body and the Blood to any member of the Church who will worthily ask for it;

    We do NOT participate in ridiculous ideas such as purgatory and many others;

    We do NOT diminish our view of the nature of the Holy Spirit and Christ the Logos by altering our Creed;

    We do NOT put our worldly status before God;

    We do NOT change the roles of Priesthood and Asceticism;

    We do NOT introduce new commandments to suit the spirit of the day;

    We do NOT engage in forbidden co-worship with heretics and/or non-Christians;

    We do NOT found ridiculous things such as “Church” Banks or “Church” Armies;

    We do NOT change the ethos of the Church by introducing statues, lifelike paintings into our church buildings;

    We do NOT worship the Mother of God as if she were some kind of demi-goddess;

    We are NOT afraid to preach what the Jews are all about, nor do we hide this from our congregations;

    We are NOT afraid to point out to you the things you are wrong about;

    We have NEVER introduced inhumane and disgusting things such as the “Holy” inquisitions.

    You say:

    …” “The Universal Church”

    The Prayer after Holy Communion is:”…

    There has been a Universal Church already in existence for about 2000 years. It is called the Orthodox Church.

    The Holy Communion cannot be produced within a heretical community. It required real Priests that have not been excommunicated.

    Unfortunately, this has been the case with the Roman “Church”.

    Everything else you may say may be partially agreeable and even commendable, but the fact remains, that unfortunately you have been infected by the Roman “church.”


    PS. the whole thing about the consecration by the Mother of God, Fatima, etc. etc. is getting a bit tired now. I have told you before and again for the benefit of other readers here, that these apparitions were Demonic in nature and as such we disregard them.

  53. Nicolae January 19, 2010 @ 8:22 am

    Alexander Solschenitsyn (200 Years Together. The Jews in the Soviet Union), ibidem, 2003, 608 pp., €39.90. Shoot Anti-Semites on the Spot

    And as for the next aspect examined, why was it that in 1918 the victorious Russian worker class supported, not just an underground, but also an openly aggressive – even Party-based – broad anti-Semitism taking the form of Jew-hatred?

    Although on 27 July 1918 Lenin had issued an ukase ordering that any active anti-Semite could be shot without going through any court procedures, a new, extremely militant form of anti-Semitism, which had even gained influence in governmental layers of the monopoly Party, was rife in the mid-twenties.

    “This wave of the ‘new anti-Semitism’ included the cultural cadres and educational inspectors of the Russian worker class and reached into the Komsomol and the Party”. (p. 200f.)

    To explain the reasons for this, Solzhenitsyn cites extensively and without commentary from the newspapers of the day. According to the newspapers, the ‘Jew Bolsheviks’ had captured and occupied the Soviet State; they were in the top ranks of the Red Army. Soviet power had been converted into Jewish power, and the Jews pursued Jewish, not Russian goals. (p. 201)

    In 1922 exiled Social Revolutionaries E. Kuskova and S. Maslov, both Jews, reported:

    “Judeophobia has spread throughout present-day Russia. It has even spread to areas in which previously no Jews had even lived and where there was never a Jewish Question. […] Bolshevism today is – without any doubt – identified with Jewish rule.”

    Or colloquially expressed:

    “Aron Moiseyevich Tankelwich today walks in the place of Ivan Ivanov.”

    Kuskova and Maslov reported further:

    “New slogans have appeared on the walls of the high schools – ‘Smash the Jews, Save the Soviets’; ‘Beat the Jews Up, Save the Councils’”.

    In other words, the revolutionary jargon of that day wanted to keep the Soviets and the Soviet rule, but without Jews.

    “‘Smash the Jews’ was not the slogan of the Black Hundreds from the pogroms of Tsarist times, but the battle cry of young Russian communards five years after the Great October.” (p. 229)


  54. Stav January 19, 2010 @ 8:34 am

    Hi Fr. Joseph,

    Just a quick one, which I seem to have missed:

    You say:

    “…If it is ORTHODOX ‘SPIRITUALITY’ to sit on the SIDE-LINES and DO NOTHING but SNICKER and LAUGH and belittle the Church being ‘whipped to her death’ by SATAN in order to KILL HER OFF – then you can take Constantinople and Mount Athos and “move to the Moon”….”

    Where do I begin? I don’t snicker not do I feel to need to smile or laugh at the state of what you call “the Church”, which is actually NOT a church in it’s true sense but rather a religious community with illusions of grandeur and universal truth.

    In fact, the urge I feel every time I consider this seriously, is to weep. If there would ever any laughter be involved, it would only be triggered by immense emotional distress at the realization of the state of your community.

    You mention, that your “Church” has been fighting all the evils. Tell me something, what weapons did you use against the enemy? I ask this, because:

    1) Your weapon of humility has been destroyed by the illusion of grandeur your Pope has instilled in his flock.

    2) Your priesthood, which could otherwise consecrate your efforts, has been automatically deposed and excommunicated when your ancestors became heretics.

    3) Your Holy Communion is no more, since your Priests are no longer valid ones.

    4) Your ascetic orders are wasting their time since they have lost their way. Instead of interceding for the world and their own souls, they spend their days doing “community or academic work”.

    5) Your fasts have been redefined to loose their potency.

    6) Your confessions have been altered to induce no shame.

    7) Your worldly affairs have made you PARTNERS IN CRIME with the same people who you call your enemies.

    So tell me again, Fr. Joseph, what have you been fighting with? New doctrines and political correctness, puts you in the same basket as those useless politicians who have for a long time been selling out, yet still claim to be fighting the good fight.

    Tell me again, Fr. Joseph, what have been the fruits of the Roman “Church” against say, the Zionist Jews? And how (if anything) did you achieve your numerous victories? (I am sarcastic here obviously).

    With what tradition and what Spiritual power did you have there to assist you? Sorry, your “Church’s” politics will not work against Satan, you will need to have a Spiritual Arsenal available to you, which however has been greatly defused. Your only salvation is humility, fasting and prayer, which are gifts anyone can practice, even members of the Roman “Church”.

    You disregard Mount Athos and the spiritual work that is being done there. Be careful Fr. Joseph, because you know not what you are doing. If it were not for the interceding that is being done there and in other places, the world would be in a much worse state right now.

    More over, you say specifically:

    “…and belittle the Church being …”

    What are you talking about Fr. Joseph? do you not understand that we do not view your religious community to be a true Church? It is actually us who view you are disregarding the countless admonitions you have received, and thus are disregarding Holy Tradition, the True Church and even common sense in many cases.


  55. Jeannon Kralj January 19, 2010 @ 9:37 am

    I have really benefitted from reading all the postings about this interview by BN of E. Michael Jones.

    I stopped going to mass and the sacraments about 12 years ago. Just recently I started reading all the articles and watching all the videos from Robert Sungenis ( and E. Michael Jones ( Also there are many videos and audios for free by them on YouTube and Google Video.

    I really started understanding the Roman Catholic doctrines clearly only after reading their articles, even though I went to RC schools through grade 12 and have read many RC books and even worked at a RC church and for Catholic Charities.

    To get a bit more back to what Dr. Jones says, I think it is extremely important for all Christians to recognize the profound power and control and influence “the Jews” and “the Zionists” have had on every aspect of USA and other nations’ society – religious, political, academic, spiritual, and economic.

    It seems most are cowed into being silent and being “politically correct” and not analyze and speak out about the “Jewish” influence. I thank God for Dr. Jones and Dr. Sungenis for their speaking out.

    Yet still, I must say that “The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit” is not confined to “the Jews who say they are Jews but are not”. There has been a “mystery of iniquity”, a “spirit of revolution”, in this world since the Fall in the Garden.

    Those people and groups revolting against God, against Logos, against The Word Made Flesh, against all reason and order and truth in this world, are not primarily “Jewish” or “Zionist”. They have a higher allegiance. Yes they seem to be the world’s moneyed elites, “the internationalists banksters”, but even that is not their highest allegiance, the common denominator.

    They all want to be God and Lucifer is their god and he has promised them they can be “as gods”. That is the common denominator – not “Jews”, not “Zionists.”

    But I thank God for Brother Nathanael and all the other posters here. It is a mortal sin before Logos, the One True God, to remain silent about the matter of “the Jews”.

    God bless us each and every one in the Name of Jesus Christ Who is Truth.

  56. Joe Cortina January 19, 2010 @ 10:26 am

    First let me say to BR Nathanael and Dr Jones:

    This to my mind – was one of the most significant exposures that RZN/RJN has done so far.

    NOW we are getting to the crux of the situation.

    The JEWS have without ANY doubt whatsoever rotted out the foundations of the Catholic Church – which was the LAST bastion against their demonic filth in America (or the world – for that matter)

    Only a person of my age or older could possibly grasp what has happened to the Church – from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. This is NOT some sort of mystic happening – comprehensible only to the ‘elect’. IT IS A NO-BRAINER! JEWS ARE BAD. They have been bad since DAY ONE.

    EVERYTHING – and I MEAN EVERYTHING That they touch that is decent good innocent compassionate wholesome and Godly – they turn to 100% pure S–T!

    They either BUY everything and everbody – OR they intimidate and browbeat our spineless brain dead moron populace into their camp. They are NOT a part of the ‘human race’ – they ARE a deadly contageous 100% fatal DISEASE!

    I can actually remember when Catholics DIDN’T have to search for their lost balls when the situation demanded some minor act of moral courage like telling some fag Bishop to ‘hit the road’ – OR – to stand behind a courageous moral man of intergrity like Bishop Williamson and let their voices be heard LOUD AND CLEAR – that if ‘UN-Pious triple XXX insists on betraying the Church and Christ – to take his Zionist loving mentality to the nearest Synagogue Of Satan – where he OBVIOUSLY feels more ‘AT HOME’.

    WAKE UP PEOPLE! The JEW has not only bought our nation – AND the collective souls of our children – but has also BOUGHT the Jew-tolic Church as well – complete with Jew Pope. ANY Catholic reading this – go to your local parish priest and ASK him WHY he has NEVER read the words of our Lord form John – 8.

    Just watch the backwheeling and ‘cat-on-a-hot-tin-roof’ routine you will get. THEN ask him WHY he doesn’t condemn the JEW for the endless murders of children in Palestine if he is SOOOO pro-life.

    Are you listening – Fr. Corapi? Shame on you for your hypocrisy and blatent moral cowardice! Is Brother Nathanael the ONLY Christian ‘holy man’ who has any balls left?

    ANY OF YOU – especially those with children or grandchildren – as I have – can you watch the current filthy – rancid – nasty – blasphemous – blood-soaked – violence inundated – disgusting heavy metal -homo pervert supportive content of the Jew-Tube for even ONE evening and HONESTLY tell me that the Catholic Church is not as impotent as a castrated eunuch? How many of you are old enough to even remember ‘THE LEGION OF DECENCY”?

    Bro Nathanael presents many of the finest exposes I have read on the net. CRITICALLY IMPORTANT WELL RESEARCHED topics – and yet – when I read the comments section – by the time I get to the bottom – pertinent comments are all but non-existent. Keep focused people.

    BN is NOT an entertainer for the bored. He is trying to do do what is right and exposing the evils that surround us – and give us encouragement to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT – other than mental masturbation. Give him the support he needs to continue the good fight. Kind words – prayers – encouragement -are all fine – BUT THEY DO NOT PAY BILLS.

    The short coments by ‘George’ – ‘Charlie’ – Truth Seeker pretty well net it out. There IS no more Catholic Church – as we knew it – get over it – we SOLD it to Satan for 30 pieces of Jew silver decades AND ‘Popes’ ago.

    Someone made an interesting comment about the Church being infiltrated with Marxist Priests decades ago. I have had some PERSONAL experience locally with that exact situation and believe it may be true. It would explain a LOT of what I see that has corrupted it from ‘Smallville’ parish priests – to the Vatican and our faux Pope himself!

    What better place for the anti-Christ to ensconce himslf – than to impersonate the Holy See and betray a billion ‘faithful’ sheeple into the hands of the universal enemy of mankind – the eternally evil Jew!

    IF – this man IS indeed a HOLY MAN – he could have saved MILLIONS of innocent lives in Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine with a simple Papal Decree condemning the demonic conduct of the Jews for all the world to see. Instead he has in effect actually given these monsters his carte’ blanche blessings to continue their genocidal insanity of demonic death destruction and horrors with AmeriKa as their lap attack dogs.

    He IS EITHER – a spinless moral coward – which doesn’t seem likely – or he is doing the work of the Devil and is no more the’defender of the faith’ – or the successor to Peter – or the moral leader of the universal Christian faith than I am.

    IF – indeed – a sparrow cannot fall from it’s nest unnoticed by the eyes of God – THEN – this detached imposter WILL burn in hell for his calculated passive cruelty – as justice would dictate. Saving INNOCENT HUMAN LIVES is NOT a ‘tough call’ – it IS – a MANDATE FROM GOD!

    Every REAL Christian Catholic in this nation NEEDS to go to his or her parish and DEMAND to clean house – OR – simply get the hell out of that Synagogue Of Satan and find some small hole in the wall Church with a REAL priest – who has REAL balls – and support that little parish TO THE HILT! That kind of responsible ‘tough love’ just might save the Church from its looming fate.

    Read MORE truths and learn to do the RIGHT THING. Save our nation – save our children – save our faith. READ THE TRUTH!

  57. Gregory Laux January 19, 2010 @ 11:26 am

    Russ, we are not bickering as such. We are working to expose the way the Catholic Church in the western world was changed after the Zionists got involved with Vatican II and its implementation after the council ended.

    I have many relatives who are deep Catholics and they all speak about how many changes have gone on that do account for the destruction of the Catholic faithful from within the organization itself.

    We have seen so many changes, such as the following ones:

    1. Communion in the hand was brought into the church, thus destroying the reverance for the body and blood sacrifice that Christ made to redeem humanity.

    2. The prayers were changed to become more sinner friendly and against goodness and obedience to God’s will.

    3. The pastors started changing Bible passages which said the mercy you show others is the same level of mercy God will show to you on judgment day to a message of unconditional mercy and love, which is pagan in its origins.

    The devil likes it so much that pastors were preaching the message of there being no consequences to sinning, just as the original sin of Adam and Eve tried to establish without seeing what God thought of it.

    4. The sacrament of reconciliation was changed to be a sacrament that most Catholics never received as they reclassified their sins as just being “common mistakes” and so they removed from their sins the required repentance and reconciliation with those they harmed.

    5. The Catholic church truly went off track with classifying who is a Saint, because they decided they were taking the place of God and they knew everything that these folks did in both public and private. Nobody but God knows the full history of what a soul has done, so nobody but God can declare someone to be a Saint.

    6. The funerals for the Catholics started praising the dead persons, instead of preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ. It was about an ego boost for the families of the deceased. Many super weathly folks who got rich by sinning and screwing the little guy had powerful church leaders attend their funerals and give them acclaim and high praise.

    This destroys the faith of those who were trampled on by these very same evil, wealthy and politically powerful folks. Nothing ruins the faith of a person more than the pastors and church leaders praising someone who has lived like a pagan in their private and public life.


    The Catholic church has suffered greatly because of the invalid Vatican II council that changed many of the doctrines which were initially taught by Jesus Christ, through the apostles and early church fathers.

    We are seeing a Roman Church that is ever increasingly shedding it’s Christian roots because those inside the church have no Christian vocation, but instead their goal in life was to destroy the Catholic church from within its leadership positions of power.

  58. Ishmael January 19, 2010 @ 12:10 pm

    Catholic? Jewish? Muslim? Baptist?

    Get real and listen to Christ our God:

    “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”

  59. jgalindes January 19, 2010 @ 12:46 pm

    Mr Gregory Laux,

    Each one of you are indeed bickering and posturing between the Orthodox and Catholic churches to the rejoice and laughter of the real enemy:the Jew.

    There is just one difference, Stav, for example nails down the Roman Church so that there are no possible apologetics, no way out and you especialize in post Vatican II heresy.

    Regarding RCC and Orthodox Church, I can hadly believe such deep theological, doctrinal, historical and liturgic fractures among the two Churches.

    It is a real mystery, why on an universe of more than 1,5 billion Roman Catholics, no one has considered the extention and breath of Roman Church “heresy” (for example E. Michael Jones, for that matter).

    It is a very confortable to sit down now and try to imagine a different historical development.

    If I’m not mistaken, for example, several Popes spent their lives figuring out how to save Europe from the Turks.

    Is it valid to presently question that the Vatican had no business with such “carnal” enterprise?

    Can anyone imagine what would have become of a world under Islam?

    Or why were just the Roman Church evangelizing thew newly discovered American Continent(I know, the Orthodox were locked by the Turks…)

    It is an sterile exercise of pedantry and pride to enumerate supposed heresies, a generalized condemnation that will not bring anyone to a better spiritual level.

  60. Nick- Soldier in the army of Christ January 19, 2010 @ 2:14 pm

    Breaking news:

    Bible codes found on military weapons? Hm!?!

    Well, folks….ask yourself few questions:

    Who controls the MEDIA that is spreading this type of news and why?

    The answer is : very well known by us… right?

    Who owns the military aerospace manufacturing companies?

    The answer is : very well known by us….right?

    Who controls the Christian WEST and caused the split of the CHURCH in 1054?

    The answer is : very well known by us…right?

    Conclusion: Are the JEWS using Christians to fight Muslims for who’s benefit?


    WAS OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST right when HE said ” You are the sons of your father which is the devil” ?

    Glory be to JESUS CHRIST …YES HE was absolutely right.

  61. Gregory Laux January 19, 2010 @ 2:16 pm

    Jgalindes, I don’t quite get what you are meaning to say. Can you explain it further?

    Your comment about “What would have become under a world under Islam?” Seems to be a bit presumptious and willfully ignorant of how many people suffer greatly and unjustly under the modern versions of Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Judaism, or secular humanism for that matter. The truths of God DO NOT EVER lead to unjust suffering, so one righfully must ask who is causing it and why are they causing it to occur.

    There is nothing wrong with challenging why the behavior of people of a stated faith or no faith happens to run contrary to the basic statements of their particular belief system. When massive concepts of God’s will, like truth and justice, are trampled underfoot, it is critically important that good believers in God challenge the status quo that has lead to these rebellious spirits in the culture.

    And yes, doctrines that have been changed intentionally by people who join a faith in attempts to destroy it from within are heresies that NEED TO BE CHALLENGED.

    The true faithful also have a right to demand that such leaders step down from the leadership positions they have in the church. Jesus Christ gave the lay faithful the right to challenge the corruption of their leaders who create scandals in the church that Jesus Christ founded upon eternal truths.

    Tolerance to these new versions of doctrines that please the flesh and the desires of man do nothing to change their bad relationship with God spiritually. I don’t recall Jesus Christ trying to please people emotionally and in their flesh, by trampling on the eternal truths of God the Father to do so.

  62. charlie January 19, 2010 @ 2:18 pm

    Can anyone inform as to how Orthodox receive the Eucharist?

    Do they kneel, stand?

    Do they receive Jesus from the hands of the priest in their hands or do they receive it reverently on the tongue?

    I believe before the split this was the practice, kneeling and on the tongue, after fasting and repentance.

  63. Hoff January 19, 2010 @ 2:29 pm

    How To Stop The Jew Explained For Dummy Non-Jews

    – There is the door. Get the hell out of my office.

    If you control the office, you control the state.

  64. Constantine January 19, 2010 @ 2:40 pm

    Dear Stav:

    Thank you very much for laying out the basics of the Orthodox view of the “Catholic” Church.

    I have asked Father Joseph on another thread, and I will challenge all Roman Catholics and all other Christians to answer this question.

    Is the Orthodox Church in error in terms of theology?

  65. Frank L January 19, 2010 @ 3:41 pm

    Br. Nathanael the Baptist: A Man That Says Never:

  66. jgalindes January 19, 2010 @ 3:47 pm

    Gregory Laux

    I clearly stated:

    “If I’m not mistaken, for example, several Popes spent their lives figuring out how to save Europe from the Turks.

    Is it valid to presently question that the Vatican had no business with such “carnal” enterprise?

    Can anyone imagine what would have become of a world under Islam?”

    Suppose that you are aware of middle age/renaissance history and the constant menace of Europe by Islam.

    The fact is that I asked for a simple exercise, imagining another set of historical facts, instead of those that happened, in good part, by the interference of the Church in mundane affairs.

    Nothing more than that.

    Regarding suffering of Islamic people today, we can surely let the “invoice” with the Jewish ocupied USA.

  67. Fr. Joseph January 19, 2010 @ 4:02 pm



    The Blessed Virgin Mary IS God’s SINLESS.

    And the Blessed Virgin Mary DID appear at Fatima, Portugal 1917 A.D..

    And the Most Holy Theotokos DID instruct the Bishops of the CATHOLIC CHURCH to re-consecreate once ‘Holy Russia’ to her Immaculately Loving Heart.

    And YES! There is ‘Original Sin’.

    And YES! St. Peter and HIS Apostolic Office was entrusted with ‘The Keys’.

    And YES! No Byzantine Emperor has ANY RIGHT to replace Patriarchs of Constaninople.

    …You try to be KIND. You try to be CONSIDERATE. You try to INFORM people. You try to EXPLAIN things to people…and all that ANY Catholic Christian gets here from ‘The Orthodox’ here is this…

    – Fr. Joseph

  68. Fr. Joseph January 19, 2010 @ 4:37 pm

    How many times does one have to wield a SLEDGE HAMMER against a STONE WALL in order to get a Beam of Divine LIGHT into the minds, hearts, souls and spirit of PEOPLE?


    A thermonuclear THIRD WORLD WAR is planned and sought by Satanists-Illuminists for ALL THE PEOPLE of this World – and that INCLUDES every last Patriarch, Metropolitan, Bishop, Priest, Hiermonk, Lay member and THEOLOGIAN of every last Eastern ORTHODOX Church!

    OPEN YOUR EYES and go read all about it HERE:

    The MOTHER OF GOD appears to the children of Fatima, Portugal 1917 A.D. with INSTRUCTIONS to have once ‘Holy Russia’ reconsecrated to her Immaculately Loving Heart in order to have her Son GIVE the Church and all of Mankind WORLD PEACE.

    OPEN YOUR EYES and GO WATCH the on-line documentary ‘Heaven’s Key TO PEACE’ here:

    – Fr. Joseph

  69. Fr. Joseph January 19, 2010 @ 4:45 pm

    The ORTHODOX rejects any idea, notion, concept or possibility that the Mother of God WOULD appear to children of a once very devout and predominately CATHOLIC nation.

    So the MOTHER OF GOD attempts to dispel these false erroneous and bigoted-prejudiced notions of ALL the members of the Eastern Orthodox Church’s Patriarchs, Popes, Metropolitans, Bishops, Clergy, Hiermonks and Laity by APPEAR right smack dab OVER a an COPTIC ORTHODOX CHURCH in the 60’s:

    The Apparitions of the Mother of God in Zeitun, Egypt:

    In order TO BREAK DOWN THESE MAN-MADE WALL between the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church!

    All, in order, to have the EASTERN ORTHODOX CHURCH take her Fatima, Apparitions of 1917 A.D. and her attending Messages and INSTRUCTIONS to the Bishops of her Son’s Own Church SERIOUSLY!

    ‘World Peace OR the Annihilation of Nations? It Depends on 4600 Men’

    St. Photius and the Byzantine Emperor DID NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH a global, worldwide SATANIC-ILLUMINST plot to engross ALL OF MANKIND in a thermonuclear Third World War!


    – Fr. Joseph

  70. Constantine January 19, 2010 @ 5:14 pm

    Father Joseph,

    I am trying to enter into a simple dialog with you where we can hopefully speak TO one another and not AT one another. I hope that you will forgive me because I am unable to process too much information at once and I prefer to proceed step by step, one point at a time.

    I see that you like to offer much information in your posts and I am unable to respond to the different points all at once. If you don’t mind, please allow the discussion to proceed one point at a time so that I can keep up.

    So am I correct in stating that you claim that the Eastern Orthodox Church is in theological error, thereby separating herself from the early Church by departing from what the Church has always taught?

  71. charlie January 19, 2010 @ 6:07 pm

    The Catholic church and Orthodox church – IF not in doctrine at least in attitude is not all the Jews infect.

    Get Organ-Damaging Jew-Monsanto Corn off the Market

    Targeting: Margaret Hamburg (FDA Commissioner)

    Started by:

    The first-ever public study of the health effects of genetically modified corn shows that three patented crops developed and owned by agriculture giant Monsanto cause liver, kidney and heart damage in mammals.

    The [Jew controlled] FDA has approved all three varieties for sale and consumption in the U.S. and all three are in our food supply right now.

    More shocking, the raw data used in the study was from Monsanto’s own testing — the company simply ignored clear indications that their genetically modified corn was causing organ damage. [That’s because they’re Jews]

    According to the study’s author, the company’s own data “clearly underlines adverse impacts on kidneys and liver, the dietary detoxifying organs, as well as different levels of damages to heart, adrenal glands, spleen and haematopoietic system.”

    The FDA [Jew controlled – fat chance ] should immediately investigate and at least temporarily rescind approval for all three varieties of corn while research continues. By allowing Monsanto to sell its proprietary but dangerous corn, the FDA is failing to protect the public from needless risk.

    Tell the FDA to halt the sale of all three crops and re-investigate their health effects immediately.

  72. Fr. Joseph January 19, 2010 @ 7:22 pm

    Dear Constantine,

    Well now, now that you understand that I’m “UNDER FIRE” from every imaginable source – and most especially from those of you of the ORTHODOX Church here on RZN – then you might understand how and why I get a ‘wee bit IMPATIENT’ and not all ‘syrupie-smooth, koochie-koochie, snugly-wugglie’ in and with the textual-linguistic content and format of my postings here.

    No human being alive LIKES TO get “shot up to pieces” by every Tom, Dick and Harry who has a personal pet-peeve with Religion in general and the Apostolic Faith of the Catholic Church in particular.

    So you WANT TO take this ‘one-step-at-a-time’ and ‘one-point-at-a-time’ on account of THAT being the ‘Mode’ by which YOU receive YOUR messages and information.

    Well, I’ll “bend over BACKWARDS” in order to comply with your most reasonable request.

    Let us START WITH what and how OUR LORD told us all and taught us all CHRISTIANS of the Catholic Church and Eastern Orthodox Churches TO PRAY – and WHAT TO PRAY FOR.

    Open up YOUR ‘Orthodox Church Study Bible’ to the Gospel of St. Matthew, chapter 6, verse 13 wherein all of YOU of the Orthodox Church can read right along with me, a Catholic Chritian:

    “And do not put us to the test

    Does the Orthodox Church really and truly believe in SATAN? Does the Orthodox Church really and truly believe in the Divine Necessity of GOD HIMSELF saving us from the ‘evil one’ who is Satan?

    Maybe STAV will belly-up-to-the-bar right about now in order to inform US that the LATIN VULGATE Bible cannot be used BECAUSE one simply MUST use the GREEK LANGUAGE in transmitting Divine Revelation, because HE is of the GREEK ORTHODOX CHURCH!

    And maybe, just maybe, STAV will inform us all that the LATIN translation of Matthew 6:13 is totally IN ERROR, and that the Greek Orthodox Church maintains that Matthew 6:13 OUGHT TO READ:

    “And please, DO put us to the test
    and LEAD US INTO the hands of the EVIL

    And don’t you of the ORTHODOX CHURCH utilize the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom?

    And doesn’t the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom begin with the ‘Prayer of the People’ wherein ALL OF YOU of the Orthodox Church pray


    as well as


    Well, what is your ORTHODOX answer?

    Do ALL of you pray

    “…but SAVE US from the EVIL ONE” as well pray those words from the ‘Prayer of the People’ from the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom?

    IF YOU DO – and if the Satanists and Illuminists ARE going to do everything in their powers to get all of you from the Eastern Orthodox Churches ROASTED ALIVE in a thermonuclear Third World War – then how come all of you from the Eastern Orthodox Churches REJECT how and by what means He, THE LORD, intends to DELIVER all of you from THE EVIL ONE, from all AFFLICTION, WRATH and NEED and in the Way He intends TO HELP, SAVE and HAVE MERCY on all of you?

    Did not God Himself PROMISE our Human Race that He would use a WOMAN and her Offspring to deliver us all from ‘The Evil One’?

    Did the Orthodox Church change, alter, reject and forget all about Genesis 3:15?

    Now just remember, Constantine, it was YOU who threw down the guantlet here on RZN – DARING any Catholic Christian of the ROMAN Eucharistic Rite to ‘come out swinging’.

    All of this was YOUR idea – not mine.

    – Fr. Joseph

  73. Fr. Joseph January 19, 2010 @ 8:04 pm

    Dear Constantine,

    Forgot to tell you – but OF COURSE! I forgive you.

    Just because I become ‘hot-headed’ does not mean I hold any GRUDGES against any of you here on RZN.

    I don’t what to see YOU, Constantine, hurt, harmed or ‘damage’ in ANY way whatsoever. Same-same goes for KathJuliane, Fr. John, Stav, the Greek-Serbian Orthdox Brothers.

    Shoot..I don’t what to see any HARM come down ANY contributor to or reader of RZN.

    I don’t what to see so much as a HAIR on Br. Nathanael’s head hurt or damaged either.

    And I don’t what to see six billion human beings embroiled and sucked into a thermonuclear Third World War.

    And I don’t want to see the Lord’s Church here on earth HURT or DAMAGED either.

    And I don’t want to see God’s Glory and Honor HURT or DAMAGED either.

    And I don’t what the Immaculately Loving Heart of God’s Own Mother HURT or DAMAGED.

    I just want to see our All-good God’s Divine and Magnificiently Creative Holy Will get DONE here on and all across our planet earth.

    When THAT happens – the whole lot of us members of the Human Race will FINALLY be content, happy, fulfilled, thankful and GRATEFUL to our All-good God, Creator and FATHER in Heaven.

    And when the FATHER is rendered Happy, then His Son will be rendered Happy. And with the Father and Son Happy, God the Holy Spirit will be Happy. And with the Blessed Trinity Happy, the Mother of God will be Happy. And with the Mother of God Happy, then ALL OF CREATION, seen and Unseen, will be Happy as well.

    And THAT means, every last man, woman and child of OUR Human Race will all be Happy as well!

    And instead of us singing DIRGES all the time, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, every week of our lifetimes – all of us will have the Divine Freedom and Divine Spiritual LIBERTY to singing every manner of ‘HAPPY TUNE’ to God.

    – Fr. Joseph

  74. Constantine January 19, 2010 @ 8:31 pm

    Father Joseph,

    Thank you very much for your response again. Thank you also for being kind enough to agree to take this one step at a time. Although there are many things that we could talk about, and certainly your response allows for much discussion on many topics, the only point which I was asking about was the same as I have asked you already.

    Will you please answer a simple yes or no so that I can understand better where you are coming from.

    Is the Eastern Orthodox Church in error theologically speaking?

    And also, I have not asked anyone to “come out swinging”. My challenge is for all of us, myself first, to do some research into history. Learn what the early Christians believed. Look into the history of the Eastern Orthodox Church and see if the theology has changed for 20 centuries.

    You will find as I did, that there are no theological “about faces”, not even one. May God illumine all of us to humble ourselves and repent.



  75. charlie January 19, 2010 @ 10:48 pm

    Having heard from some Orthodox here regarding the Catholic church,

    Here are a few comments from the one of their own regarding the Orthodox church.

    They have established a monopoly of ostentation and presumption.

    They have done well in remembering The Holy Spirit so constantly and in maintaining the traditions just as it was passed them on to them; however, they speak without love and are blinded by their zeal! They have lost the insights of the Mysteries because of their zeal!….

    City of Tradition, you have practised the exact observances of the Law of the Primitive Church, but today you are blinded by ostentation and pay little attention or none at all to the weightier matters of God’s Law – Mercy! Love! Humility!

    And a spirit of Forgiveness ….

    You preach spiritual things unspiritually…….

  76. Fr. Joseph January 19, 2010 @ 11:10 pm


    I believe it was ‘The Prodigal Son’ who got all upset with me for using a line from the motion picture ‘Cool Hand Luke’ wherein the Warden in charge of the chain-gang prisoner inmates would often use the expression:

    “What we have here is a FAILURE to COMMUNICATE.”

    It’s a very honorable thing to wish to discuss the doctrines and dogmas of Christian Theology – as YOU so desire, but what I’m attempting to relay here, what I’m attempting TO COMMUNICATE here is the Way God Himself desires TO DEFEAT His seen and unseen foes who are all THREATENING the welfare and wellbeing of our Human Race while simultaneously ASSAULTING His Church in order to DEFEAT the Church and her Divine Commission to and for all of Mankind.

    Okay, okay – I’ll talk ‘Theology’ with you, but only AFTER you accept the spiritual hospitality of my Carmelite hermitage. Let me take you in “warmly” in order to introduce you to what my “work” here at and in my ‘Nazareth Hermitage’.

    In my daily votive Mass FOR ‘The Universal Church’, the words of the Opening Prayer are as follows:

    “God our Father
    In Your Divine Care and Wisdom
    You extend the Kingdom of Christ
    Your Divine Son,
    Our Lord Jesus Christ
    to embrace the World
    to give ALL men redemption.

    “May the Catholic Church
    (and her Consecration of RUSSIA)
    be the Sign of our salvation.
    May it reveal for us
    the Mystery of Your Divine Love
    and may that Love
    become effective in ALL of our lives.

    “Grant this through our Lord Jesus Christ,
    Your Son
    Who lives and reigns with You
    and the Holy Spirit
    One God, for ever and ever. Amen.”

    Constantine, did you ever wonder this ‘What If?’ as regarding to Christian Theology?

    ‘WHAT IF’ six billion human beings all across our contemporary World all simultaneously just SAT DOWN for 24 hours and did NOTHING BUT mulling over a personal decision TO DO God’s Holy Will for THEM and for EACH OTHER.

    And AFTER that 24 hour period, every last one of the current 6 billion human beings on our planet earth truly WILLED-DECIDED to begin doing God’s Holy Will for THEM as well as for everyone else thereafter.

    Constantine, do you realize that within 48 HOURS – our entire Human Race would then have ‘a real taste of Heaven’ while still living here on earth?

    “…Thy Will be DONE, ON EARTH, as it is in Heaven.”

    Now if we could but ‘SHUT DOWN’ all of Satan’s networks and associations and organizations and alliances here ON EARTH and all throughout our contemporary World, we could CHARITABLY GIVE all of Mankind the real life possibility of truly having ‘a taste of Heaven’ here ON EARTH within 48 hours!

    The only way to SHUT DOWN all of these many and varied SATANIC alliances, organizations, societies, etc. all across and throughout our contemporary World is to “CRUSH” SATAN’S HEAD.

    CRUSH ‘THE HEAD’ of any living organism, CRUSH ‘THE HEAD’ of any social or political organization – and you effectly RENDER NULL AND VOID the rest of ‘the body’.

    The Very First Prophecy in ‘The Bible’ comes to us at Genesis 3:15 and that Prophecy comes from the Very Mouth of God Himself!

    And our All-good God and Creator says that He will raise up a WOMAN and her OFFSPRING to do exactly that – CRUSH SATAN’S HEAD!

    In 1917 A.D., at Fatima, Portugal, THAT Woman told the Church to perform a public and solemn Collegial Consecation of RUSSIA to her Immaculately Loving Heart by the Bishops of her Divine Son’s Church Militant here on earth.

    And WHEN that Collegial Consecration is done, her Son promises to use His Divine Power as ‘THE LOGOS’ to bring about for ALL OF US World Peace.

    Theologically speaking, my dear Constantine, WHO INSTIGATES all of these WARS, all of this VIOLENCE, all of this HATE and all of this MISERY and SUFFERING of our Human Race?

    An All-good Creator God?????

    – Fr. Joseph

  77. Adora January 19, 2010 @ 11:43 pm

    Gregory Laux, it is my opinion that you understand the teachings and gospel of Jesus very well.

  78. Fr. Joseph January 19, 2010 @ 11:59 pm

    Dear Constantine,

    Now in a very gentle manner, I need to tell you a wee bit about the Order of Carmelites.

    St. Albert – Latin Patriach of Jerusalem – wrote the ‘Rule of Life’ for the Carmelite Order back in the early 1200’s:

    In 1230 A.D., Nicholas the Frenchman who was the General of the Carmelite Order wrote his treatise ‘Fiery Arrow’ for the entire Carmelite Order. On-line reference:

    Within the ‘Fiery Arrow’, the General gives his ‘Standing Order’ that those of us in our ‘hermitages’ are REQUIRED to ‘go to the people’ in order TO SHARE WITH THEM the fruits and the works of our contemplative prayer.

    It was to Sr. Lucy, one of the child visionaries of Fatima, Portugal, that the Fatima Message & ensuing Divine Instructions were entrusted. Sr. Lucy became a CARMELITE nun.

    It was to Sr. Agnes that the Mother of God as Our Lady of Akita gave the Divine Warning that God the Father has “HAD IT!” with our Human Race in a 1973 Message. Sr. Agnes is a Japanese CARMELITE nun.

    And as for myself, TWICE did I find myself so Graced as to be in the Divine Presence of the Blessed Trinity – Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And it was back in September, 1993, that God assigned me to convey a Message to both Pope John Paul II as well as to the Officials of the United States of America that GOD was about to unleash His Fury on our World on account of ABORTIONS here in the USA and throughout the reat of this World.

    It was during the second time finding myself in the Divine Presence of the Blessed Trinity that God the Father HIMSELF laid His Hand right smack dab on the top of my head and, lo, He gently and lovingly stroked the hair on the top of my head just as might a loving father caress the top of the head of a dearly loved son of his own.

    Dear Constantine – IF I could but get SATAN PINNED DOWN TO THE GROUND UNDER ST. MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL’S FOOT for but 10 minutes so as to allow EVERY LAST PERSON ON OUR PLANET EARTH to experience God the Father Himself…


    to each and every last HUMAN BEING currently alive and living on our planet earth in this year 2010 A.D. – every last member of our Human Race would RALLY to join the Warrior Angels of Heaven in order TO SUMMARILY DEFEAT Satan and all of his legions, seen OR unseen – and to FIGHT for their Lord and Savior JESUS, the Christ – their DIVINE KING and His Kingdom!

    And I can’t get THAT DONE, my dear Constantine – on account of the Eastern Orthodox Church’s REFUSAL to accept or cooperate with nor unite themselves in ANY WAY with ‘The Bishop of Rome’!

    And therein lies the reason why I become so ‘hostile’, so ‘hot-under-the-collar’ here on Br. Nathanael’s RZN commentary sections.

    – Fr. Joseph

  79. Gregory Laux January 20, 2010 @ 12:43 am

    I wish to say “Thank You” publically to Adora for being so kind and generous in the compliments above. I feel that I don’t deserve them one bit. All honor and praise belongs to the wonderful God who created us and the wonderful universe that we now are having a chance to live in. His word is way beyond the best wisdom that any group of humans could ever wish to assemble, about spiritual and human relationships.

    May God Bless You and everyone else that is living for His will for your lives.

    I wish to reiterate my praise for Brother Nathanael, in taking many risks to do what he is now doing. It brings tears to my eyes to envision judgment day and God/Jesus Christ taking a look at the book of life and turning to Brother in Christ, Nathanael Kapner, and smiling before saying to him, “Well done, my good and faithful servant. Enter into the kingdom that I have prepared for you since the beginning of the world.”

  80. Stav January 20, 2010 @ 2:39 am

    Hi Charlie

    “Can anyone inform as to how Orthodox receive the Eucharist?”

    Typically, in the OC taking Communion, involves confession first. Then, if no period from repentance is suggested by the confessor, one must observe a fast and then they can take communion. It must be noted that in order to take communion in the OC you must be an Orthodox Christian.

    Before one takes Communion, it is suggested that they privately consciously read and pray a small service (the Metalipsis).

    The Holy Communion, is offered as it always has been, from a chalice, where the Most Holy Blood (the wine), the Most Holy Body (the bread) have been mixed together. Then, each of the congregation who will take Communion, will take the spoon in his mouth and share from the same Chalice.

    It must also be noted here that the Priest will “consume” the remainder of the Holy Communion after the end of the liturgy, there (as viewed by those who lack faith) by putting him self at risk of picking up any diseases from the shared chalice. However, the miracle that happens at every Liturgy, is that OC Priests NEVER get any disease from doing this.

    Therefore, we OC, view the taking of the Body of Christ in a separate and clinical way as the Romans do, as an act of severe unfaithfulness.

    Then again, since their “Communion” is unvalidated, perhaps they are doing the right thing…


  81. Stav January 20, 2010 @ 3:09 am

    Dear Constantine,

    While I appreciate you effort, I think that such an extensive discussion would be far too long and would evolve to be completely out of topic, no matter how much we tried.

    Conversations of doctrinal matters, require detailed delving into doctrine, history, logical arguments etc. etc. Esspecially in the case of “Catholic” vs “Orthodox” or Protestant vs Orthodox , these discussions are notoriously long.

    As a matter of fact, these conversations can take from many months to many years and often the stumbling block is not one of facts and weighing then honestly, but rather a matter of a personal relation with the truth. If one does not feel they want to see the truth, there is no amount of facts, logic and analysis that can bring these kinds of discussions into fruition.

    Therefore, while I am happy to debate this, I think this is not the right platform for this.

    My main reason for refuting Roman doctrine and practices here on this site, is to provide an essential alternative view to what “Catholics” may present here, and especially the posts of Fr. Joseph.

    And while I have absolutely no personal quarrels with Fr. Joseph and consider him to be a Brother, I still do feel a strong urge to try and set some things straight as frankly, I am offended by the implications of some of what the “Catholics” may say, the biggest of which, is that it really is OK to be “Catholic” and there is no problem at all with it, and that the OC and RCC are simply two sides of the same coin.

    They are NOT, and there are serious reasons for the separation between the two Communities.

    To answer your question, on whether the OC is in doctrinal error, I will answer as follows:

    First of all, you cannot prove a negative. That is to say, at least in a practical way, for one to prove that we are in error, we would need to analyze all doctrines until we come across something that is proven to be an error. In addition, when you say error, what do you mean exactly? I say this, because one may consider the whole religion of Christianity in general to be in error, while other people may consider all religions to be right in their own merit.

    While off course I do not view things in these ways, it is important to define our premises and expressions before we engage in serious talk, which is something that I think is a mistake, if done on this site for the reason I mentioned above.

    To go back to the question of whether we are in error, I think that there is a more easily answerable question to be asked here. And that is, whether the approach for enhancing the faith followed by the OC is in error, at least in comparison to the RCC. The answer to that question is a resounding NO, but again, to prove this, one must present again a considerable amount of History and scriptural/theological analysis.

    The fact of the matter is that it is much easier and quicker to prove that the approach and premises of the RCC in “enhancing” the faith is in serious error, than to prove each and every individual doctrine as false. If one proves this, then all doctrines produced since the schism are proven to be false, including those just mentioned by Fr. Joseph in his latest posts.

    For example, one can examine the processes and practices involved in the first seven ecumenical councils, and compare them to the processes and practices involved in the later, “Catholic” only councils. One will find a list of specific and important differences, which begs the question, “Why change things?”

    It is easy then, to arrive at the conclusion that is was and is the RCC that changes things all the time and therefore comes up with new doctrine all the time.

    Of course my view is that the OC is most definitely NOT in error, but, how is this statement useful to anyone, without some tangible proof or indication?


  82. The Prodigal Son January 20, 2010 @ 4:38 am


    You said, “Here are a few comments from one of their own regarding the Orthodox Church.”

    WHO are these comments from? What Church are they speaking of?

    Orthodox Christians are blinded by their zeal? Blinded to what?

    A zeal for the truth, and a zeal to share that truth with your fellow man is the epitome of love! If they didn’t care for others – they would simply ignore them and let them wallow in error.

    If it is true that heretical beliefs & practices can deny salvation – then to leave someone in their heresy is worse than murder! If a few words of truth can bring one to be eternallly saved – then how much more mercy could be shown?

    And humility? Where is the humility in your last 3 posts? You seem to be trying to instigate an argument with someone from the Orthodox Church… yet no one has bitten!

    Perhaps you mistake the confidence of surety as pride. But humility is a lack of arrogance or false pride, the absence of vanity.

    Is it arrogant or vain for someone to say, ‘I am telling you the truth’? Unless they’re belittling you or telling you something that ISN’T true – then I don’t think so. People tell lies with malice, but the truth is spoken with love. Always.

    In Romans 12:3, Paul says a Christian is “not to think of himself more highly than he ought to, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith. For as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function, so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another.

    “Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given us, *LET US USE THEM*: If prophecy, let us prophecy in proportion to our faith; or ministry, let us use in our ministering; he who teaches in teaching; he who exhorts, in exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads with diligence; he who shows mercy with cheerfulness.”

    So how can telling the truth as you know it indicate a lack of humility? If someone has received the gift of say – exhortation in truth – should they not then USE that gift in a spirit of love?

    I Charlie, was born into this world as a Roman Catholic, so in that light – understand that I have nothing against Roman Catholics personally, but rather with the teachings of their leaders in the churches who are DELIBERATELY changing things in order to take away from us what was once ours.

    This is something they can only do if we allow it!

    Regarding the method of reception of the Eucharist in Orthodoxy… If I am not mistaken all Orthodox receive the (leavened) bread AND wine – standing.

    Roman Catholics receive kneeling, is that where you were going with this?

    Consider these points then Charlie (made by a Roman Catholc named Richard Cross) :

    “1. The earliest Christian iconography always depicts Christians at the Agape and (otherwise at prayer) in the “orans” position, i.e. standing with arms extended heavenward. A visit to the
    Catacombs will verify that.

    2. In the ancient Eastern-rite churches from ancient times to the present, the faithful stand (sometimes for hours!) during the celebration of the liturgy. These traditions are older than our present rites.

    3. Anyone who has visited the ancient Roman basilicas and the cathedrals of Europe knows that they were designed for people to stand at prayer in the liturgy. The addition of kneelers (and sometimes chairs) is a much later afterthought. It is not the ancient tradition.

    4. The posture of kneeling in Christian art is very much connected with the feudal system: knights in obeisance to their lord, etc. As such it is a wonderful posture of humility, submission, adoration, etc. Agreed.

    5. Thus kneeling is an appropriate gesture of adoration, for instance, in the exposition or Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament, Forty Hours Devotion, private prayer, etc.

    But one must ask is this really the same mode of prayer that is called for at the public celebration of the Eucharist? Is the Sunday Eucharist primarily an exercise in adoration? Is it not rather primarily an act of thanksgiving as the name implies?

    This is not to deny the act of adoration, but I don’t think it is the main focus of the sacred action at the altar.

    For instance, the liturgy calls for an affirmative sung acclamation of the assembly after the elevation of the Sacred Species as well as the response of the “Great Amen” at the final doxology before the “Our Father”.

    Is kneeling for these sung acclamations of the assembly really the right posture for these moments? Is the expressive mode of prayer at these times simply adoration or is it not much more? Does it not perhaps make more sense to have the people on their feet for these sung acclamations?

    From a musical point of view alone (I am a liturgical musician) I find it awkward and meaningless to have the congregation sing these jubilant acclamations of praise and affirmation on their knees. It simply is the wrong modality of prayer. It is not the way to “proclaim the mystery of faith.”

    6. I hesitate to use the “argumentum ex tourismo” (argument from tourism). It has been effectively used by those who find great convenience and sense of unity in attending the same traditional Latin Mass wherever in the world they travel. Yet, as a matter of fact, standing during the Eucharistic prayer seems to be most prevalent outside the United States and may well indicate a return to perhaps an even more ancient practice. Who knows?”

  83. The Prodigal Son January 20, 2010 @ 5:21 am

    (To answer Richard Cross’ question above: ‘Who knows?’… The Orthodox know !)

    Fr. Joseph,

    I didn’t ‘get upset’ at your ‘Coolhand Luke’ reference… I only wanted to encourage everyone to stop watching the T.V., and this is because T.V. & movies are their (the ‘Jews’) main method of indoctrination (along with video games).

    When someone once said, ‘T.V. will ROT YOUR BRAIN’… they weren’t kidding ! Most North Americans are now little more than tax-paying zombies… and it’s no accident !

    Gregory Laux,

    How does this Orthodox P.O.V. (as opposed to R.C.) sound to you? See especially point #5 :

    — — —

    Preparing for Holy Communion.

    When we think of the greatness of Communion, a natural question arises in our mind: are we worthy of receiving Christ in us? The early Church Fathers never suggested that a Christian should refrain from taking Communion because of his feeling of unworthiness.

    One of the most ancient Christian documents, the Didache, says, “If anyone is holy, let him come [to Communion]; if he is not, let him repent and come.” We need to realize that we never will become worthy to receive Jesus Christ.

    Communion is not a matter of worthiness but of God’s mercy. It is not a reward but a Divine gift! It is proper for us to sense unworthiness so that we will always remain humble and grateful to God.

    However, some preparation for the partaking of the Eucharist is necessary, for it helps us to acquire the right attitude toward this great Sacrament.

    St. Paul writes, “Let a man examine himself and so eat of that Bread and drink of that Cup” (1 Cor. 11:28). Here are some specific suggestions for those wishing to take Communion.

    1. Self-examination is something that should be practiced regularly by every Christian as he prays daily and reads God’s word, and it becomes especially important before one aproaches the Chalice to receive Communion. The purpose of self-examination is to bring us to an awareness of our shortcomings. This awareness leads us to repentance and improvement.

    2. On the morning before going to Liturgy to receive Communion we do not eat or drink anything. Prior to Communion there should be abstinence from meat and dairy products on Wednesdays and Fridays.

    During a fasting period one should observe abstinence from these products all the days. However, one thing we must remember is that there is no rigid connection between fasting and Communion. We must never allow an overemphasis on fasting to become a wall separating us from Christ Who wishes to renew us.

    We must never allow a self-righteous emphasis on so-called “rules of fasting” to destroy the all-important relationship with Jesus Christ. The Church Fathers emphasized that true fasting is to abstain from sin and evil.

    3. The Orthodox Prayer Book contains some very moving prayers written by the Church Fathers that are designed to be read before and after Communion.

    All of these beautiful prayers contain the cry of humility, unworthiness, and penitence, as expressed by this sample:

    “… I am not worthy, Master and Lord, that You should enter under the roof of my soul. Yet inasmuch as You desire to live in me as the lover of men, I approach with boldness. You have commanded: let the doors be opened which You alone have made and You shall enter with Your love … You shall enter and enlighten my darkened reasoning. I believe that You will do this …”

    These prayers give us the proper attitude for the reception of Communion.

    4. Repentance. One must approach Jesus with a plea for mercy and forgiveness. It is sincere faith and repentance, not perfection, that make us worthy of frequent Communion.

    Although it is not necessary to go to Confession before each Communion, if we receive Communion regularly it is still necessary to seek forgiveness through prayer. It is up the our father-confessor to decide how often we should go to Confession.

    5. Forgiveness from those we have hurt should be sought before Communion. We must approach the Holy Table “with the fear of God, with faith and with LOVE.” We are bound to share with others the forgiving love we receive from Jesus. Love is the one thing we must pray for before coming to the Holy Table.

    No hostilities or grudges or dissension must be brought there. There must be penitence for lack of love. Thus, we prepare for Communion with self-examination, fasting, prayer, repentance and forgiveness.

    The most wonderful thing about man is that he was created to contain God. This is the miracle of miracles! Each one of us was made to be a temple of God, a golden chalice, a tabernacle of God’s presence.

    The infinitely great God Who revealed Himself in Jesus as the great God of love waits to take up residence in us. He stands at the door of our soul and knocks until we hear His voice and His knock to open and let Him come in to sup with us in the heavenly banquet (Rev. 3:20). He will not rest until He has invaded our heart and made it His throne.”

    — — —

    Don’t follow the protestants into throwing out the (Orthodox) baby with the (R.C.) bathwater !

  84. russ January 20, 2010 @ 6:41 am

    I guess it’s inevitable that all of BN’s articles break down into posts of “my religion is better than yours” arguments.

    We have many zealous and commited readers who are devoted to their respective faiths, so it certainly is no suprise that emotions run high. I think BN lets these discussions continue as they are quite enlightening and entertaining.

    The RZN site is such a valuable tool against the Zionists, that even us unaffiliated Christians can put up with the bickering. So have at boys and girls, just remember who the enemy is and keep supporting the brilliant man who runs this site.

    There are many groups dedicated to bringing down the Zionists but we can all agree that it will not happen without a religious revolution, the spiritual blueprint that was revealed to us by Jesus.

  85. hvt January 20, 2010 @ 8:01 am

    Fr. Joseph,

    “Well now, now that you understand that I’m “UNDER FIRE” from every imaginable source – and most especially from those of you of the ORTHODOX Church here on RZN – then you might understand how and why I get a ‘wee bit IMPATIENT’ and not all ’syrupie-smooth, koochie-koochie, snugly-wugglie’ in and with the textual-linguistic content and format of my postings here.”

    I have no dog in the hunt, so to speak, but have been truly enjoying Bro. N’s site for a while now, and actually some of your posts. Still, I have to tell you what I see. You are an agitator to all who do not see as you see. You come across as a “whoa is me’er” who thinks no one (but you) is effected or suffering from the shenanigans of the Jew elite. You inevitably resort to your combat wounds dichotomy.

    Surely you know that our wonderful Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is infinitely greater than the problems that surround us. Why the need for antagonistically proclaiming: “My way or no way?”

    Might I encourage you to be still and know that He is God and to try listening to what other brothers and sisters have to say?

    His glorious peace to you, brother.

  86. charlie January 20, 2010 @ 8:45 am


    You did not answer the question.

    Do you take communion kneeling, standing or sitting; and finally is the spoon handled by the priest only or by each individual communicant?


  87. Fr. Joseph January 20, 2010 @ 11:35 am

    Dear hvt,

    There is this ‘itsy-bitsy’ matter of OBEDIENCE to Christ Jesus.

    THAT MEANS, we are ‘required’ TO DO that which He wants DONE. Or, as Sacred Scripture has His saying

    “Why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord’ and NOT DO what I say?” – Luke 6:46

    Now He has TOLD the Bishops of His Church to publicly and solemnly consecrate RUSSIA to Him Mother’s Immaculately Loving Heart.

    And it matters NOT what you might think about me – it simply DOES NOT MATTER!

    If it OFFENDS you that WE have this moral, spiritual, religious, theological, philosophical, geopolitical, socio-economic REQUIREMENT to DO what The Logos has TOLD US to do – then take it up with Him, okay?

    – Fr. Joseph

  88. Fr. Joseph January 20, 2010 @ 12:03 pm

    Dear hvt,

    One other thing regarding CHRISTIAN spirituality and CHRISTIAN morality.

    It was St. Thomas Aquinas, Angelic Doctor of the Catholic Church who EXPLAINS the following in his ‘Summa Theologica’

    To paraphrase St. Thomas Aquinas

    “To patiently endure and bear up under the INJUSTICES imposed on you is a moral VIRTUE.

    “To do NOTHING to stop the INJUSTICES inflicted upon OTHERS when one has the means to do something of substance is a moral FAILURE.”

    THAT MEANS – you see, hear or KNOW ABOUT some INJUSTICE(S) imposed on OTHER people, you had better get on with DOING SOMETHING about it!

    If the Church’s Hierarchy – BOTH the Catholic AND the Eastern Orthodox’s – KNOW they have the means whereby SATAN’s head gets CRUSHED so as to bring about WORLD PEACE for the Human Race – and they DO NOT DO IT or if they simply REFUSE TO DO IT – then you are looking a the MORAL FAILURE of all of the Church’s Patriarchs, Popes, Cardinals, Metropolitans, Archbishops, Bishops, Abbots, Priests, Hiermonks, Archimandrites, Deacons and miles and miles of the Church’s LAITY!

    Now then, what are YOU going TO DO about THAT?


    That is NOT an ‘Acceptable Answer’.

    – Fr. Joseph

  89. Constantine January 20, 2010 @ 12:30 pm

    Father Joseph:

    I see that you would rather not offer a simple yes or no.


    I will disagree with you regarding the scope of the argument. I think that we often make things to be far too complicated. It is a very simple thing. We don’t have to read in too many things. We see that everyone has an opinion on everything, but how often do we form our opinions without even investigating?

    The issue is very simple, we as Eastern Orthodox are accused of being in error by those outside. Can someone show me where our beliefs about God differ from what the early Christians believed?

    You see, we all like to bash one another and prove our point of view, but in the end, it doesn’t matter what I think. Only the truth matters. Let the facts speak for themselves and let each person take care for their own soul to investigate and decide.



  90. Fr. Joseph January 20, 2010 @ 1:01 pm

    Dear hvt,

    It was the Danish theologian, Soreen Kierkegaard who, after studying the various doctrines and dogmas which arose from the Protestant Revolt and their battle-cries of ‘Sola Scriptura’ and ‘Sola Fide’, summarized his findings and conclusions in this way:

    “They have turned Christianity into too much of a CONSOLATION and have rejected that it makes A DEMAND on people.”

    “Lectio Divina” bible-based prayerful meditations for you there “up in the bleachers” or “on-the-side lines” watching all of the ACTION going down here on THE FIELD!

    “YOU are the salt of the earth. But if salt becomes tasteless, what can make it salty again? It is GOOD FOR NOTHING, and can only be thrown out to be trampled UNDERFOOT by (Zionist) men…et al” – Matthew 5:13-16

    “‘What is your opinion? A Man had two sons. He went and said to the first, ‘My boy, you go work in the Vineyard today’. He answered, ‘I will not go!’, but afterwards thought better of it and went. The Man then went and said the same thing to the second who answered, ‘Certainly, sir’ but did not go. Which of the two DID THE FATHER’S WILL?’
    – Matthew 21:28-31

    “Last came forward the man who had the ONE talent. ‘Sir,’ he said ‘I had heard you were a Hard Man, reaping where You have not sown and gathering where You had not scattered; so I was afraid, and I went off and HID Your talent in the ground. Here it is; it was Yours, You have it back.’ But His Master answered him, ‘YOU WICKED AND LAZY SERVANT!” – Matthew 25:24-30

    “Then the virtuous will say to Him in reply, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You; or thirsty and gave You drink? When did we see you a stranger and make You welcome; naked and clothed You; sick or in prison and go to see You? (Or being assaulted by Zionists, Masons, Rosicrucians, Hermetic Orders, Illuminists, Satanists, Occultists? – parens mine). And THE KING will answer, ‘I tell you solemnly, in so far as you did this to one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did it to Me.” – Matthew 25:38-400

    “Why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord’ and NOT DO what I say?…et al” – Luke 6:46-49

    ‘So with you; when you have DONE all you have been TOLD TO DO, say, ‘We are merely servants, we have done no more than our duty.” – Luke 17:10

    “For the children of this World ARE MORE ASTUTE in dealing with their own kind than are the children of Light.” – Luke 16:8

    And SORRY, my dear hvt – Christ Jesus Himself was ‘AN AGITATOR’!

    “Do you suppose that I am here to bring PEACE on earth? No, I tell you, bur rather DIVISION. For from now on a household of five will be divided; three against two and two against three.” – Luke 12:31-32

    ALL OF US are called – are REQUIRED – to ‘Make A Choice’ and then ACT UPON that Choice.


    – Fr. Joseph

  91. Fr. Joseph January 20, 2010 @ 2:07 pm

    Dear hvt,

    The APOSTLE St. James wrote to ALL OF US under the Divine Inspiration of God the Holy Spirit

    “This is the way to talk to people of that kind: ‘You say you have FAITH and I have GOOD WORKS; I will prove to you that I have faith by showing you my good deeds – now you prove to me that you have faith without any good deeds to show. You believe in the One God – that is creditable enough, but the demons have the SAME BELIEF, and they TREMBLE WITH FEAR. Do realise, you senseless man, that faith WITHOUT good deeds IS USELESS.'” – James 2:18-20

    It was the BISHOP OF ROME, Pope John Paul II who wrote warning both THE CHURCH and our entire HUMAN RACE:

    “91. … On the eve of the Third Millenium, the challenge facing us is an arduous one. Only hte concerted efforts of all those who believe in the value of life can prevent a setback of unforeseeable consequences for (Human) civilization.” – qouting from

    Now COME DOWN from ‘The Bleachers’ and get yourself suited up with some SHOULDER PADS and a GOOD HELMENT – and plug yourself in our Church’s/Human Race’s DEFENSIVE LINE facing the Satanists-Illuminists-Zionists-Freemasons-Rosicrucians-Hermetic Orders-Kabbalahists-Occultists.

    We are in a desperate GOAL LINE STAND DEFENSE – and if ‘They’ SCORE – we’re ALL LOSERS and we are all GONERS!

    “Get The Picture?”

    – Fr. Joseph

  92. laws632 January 20, 2010 @ 2:12 pm

    Off topic, but the Haiti earthquake:

    That whole Haiti quake is a suspicious thing – Bush disappeared their ELECTED prime minister in 2004.

    Haiti is rich in gold, diamonds, oil, gas, copper.

    It is a goldmine for phony “Christian” charities, who get multiple sponsors for the richest 1% “orphans” whose parents already control the wealth.

    See Tesla Howitzer and Scalar Weaponry.

  93. Frank L January 20, 2010 @ 2:45 pm

    Br. Nathanael Kapner: The Power of Orthodox Christian Nationalism

    Br. Nathanael the Baptist: Zionist hegemony in America

  94. Stav January 20, 2010 @ 2:51 pm

    Dear Constantine,

    Actually, I do agree with you. The matter is very simple. One can prove the falseness and errors of the RCC in dozens of different ways, all done with a couple or three paragraphs of text. Thus, viewed this way, one may assume that it is also very simple to receive an honest “sign” of understanding.

    That, is something that does not happen very often, and it’s not because of the facts, nor the complication of having to present facts and arguments. it is my personal experience that many of these discussions tend to deteriorate to repeated arguments, each better and stronger than the previous one, but still it seems that more proof and more details are asked in every iteration. And the reason is personal and psychological, rather than a matter of “academic” arguing.

    The practical end of all of this, is that if one is to see the errors in the heretical views of the RCC and the various protestant churches, Copts etc. etc., they will also have to eventually admit that they were also personally in error and this is the hard thing to do. Once this problem is overcome, the matter becomes simple. But before that, the matter will present seemingly inexplicable and insurmountable difficulties.

    Thus, while in principle I do agree with you, that the matter is very simple, the practical truth is, that facts, history, logical arguing do not affect anything, until the truth is loved more than the current status of ones religious life.


  95. Stav January 20, 2010 @ 2:53 pm

    Dear Charlie,

    You got your answer from The Prodigal Son, in a way much better than I could ever have expressed.

    We take Him standing. The spoon is always handled by a Priest or Deacon.


  96. charlie January 20, 2010 @ 3:01 pm

    Thanks for your replies but I still don’t know whether you handle the spoon yourself or the priest handles the spoon?

    I also thought it was quite clear that I was referring to the actual act of receiving holy communion only, not the entire service when it comes to kneeling therefore although You, Prodigal Son, answered that question, the references you gave regarding standing for the service are not relevent. Thanks.

    You disagree with the comments from one of your own members and accuse me of a lack of humility for simply asking a question and quoting one of your own rather than stating my own views?

  97. Stav January 20, 2010 @ 3:09 pm

    Dear Fr. Joseph,

    Last one for this thread, I know I am totally out of topic, but I could not stay silent to the latest from Fr. Joseph. I am really sorry, but I simply have to jump in now…

    You say:

    “…And SORRY, my dear hvt – Christ Jesus Himself was ‘AN AGITATOR’!

    “Do you suppose that I am here to bring PEACE on earth? No, I tell you, bur rather DIVISION. For from now on a household of five will be divided; three against two and two against three.” – Luke 12:31-32

    ALL OF US are called – are REQUIRED – to ‘Make A Choice’ and then ACT UPON that Choice.


    I cannot believe how you use the gospel to justify your “agitating” (or not, as I am not particularly bothered in that way by your posts).

    A few weeks ago, you claimed that your Church and your actions etc. are to bring peace in the world, and when I quoted you the same or similar passage to refute what you were saying, you ignored it as usual. NOW, I see you use the same passages to justify your attitude. Why this selective use of the Gospel?

    Secondly, I proved to you just a few weeks ago again, that the “RCC” is ignoring Jesus Christ own words, that unless one takes the Body AND the Blood they will not be with the Father,(paraphrasing here) and you ignored it again.

    So when you are saying:
    “…ALL OF US are called – are REQUIRED – to ‘Make A Choice’ and then ACT UPON that Choice.


    What are you going to do about this, being locked in a “Church” that is so arrogant as to even ignore Christ’s own words? How can you possibly tell others to follow the Gospel and then act as if you are part of a community that does so, when it clearly does NOT? What “Choice” are you going to make regarding this?


  98. Stav January 20, 2010 @ 3:13 pm

    Hi Charlie,

    The Priest or Deacon always handles the spoon. Occasionally there may be some assisting from one more individual, usually a Monk or Sub-Deacon etc., but it is only 1 or 2 people max who handle the spoon. There may be more reason than one for this, but one I know for certain, is the most extreme care that is taken during the receiving of Jesus Christ our Lord.


  99. Constantine January 20, 2010 @ 3:25 pm


    I agree, this is the whole issue. Refusal to accept reality. To ignore the facts as they are, and instead to subsitute a counterfeit reality that allows me to remain in my position and in effect, re-create the universe in my mind in such a way that I will always be correct. (Pride)

    That’s why the Fathers say that there is no salvation without humility. Humilty being the desire to accept reality as it is and not how I have fashioned it to be. And if someone says to me, well, you are also full of pride in your position regarding the Orthodox Church, then I will simply refer them to the eternal witness of God’s Church and how the teachings have not changed for 2000 years.

    And if I am in delusion, then the apostles and our Church Fathers were also in delusion because this is the apostolic teaching that has been preserved and handed down from generation to generation.

    So I would urge everyone again. Dont listen to what I have to say. Look for yourself. Examine the claims of the Eastern Orthodox Church for yourself. The Church exists for our healing and our return to God, even in this life.



  100. Fr. Joseph January 20, 2010 @ 3:54 pm

    “In The Public Domain”…

    “When the great time will come, in which mankind will fact its last, hard trial, it will be foreshadowed by striking changes in nature. The alteration between cold and heat will become more intensive, storms will have more catastrophic effects, earthquakes will destroy great regions, and the seas will overflow many lowlands. Not all of it will be the result of natural causes, BUT MANKIND WILL PENETRATE INTO THE BOWELS OF THE EARTH AND WILL REACH INTO THE CLOUDS, gambling with its own existance…et al” – Prophecy of Monk Johannes Friede (1204-1257)

    “In the days of peace that are to come after the desolation of revolutions and wars, before the end of the world, the Christians will become so lax in their religion that they will refuse to receive the Sacarment of Confirmation, saying ‘It is an unnecessary Sacrament.’
    – St. Vincent Ferrer (14th Century) – on-line reference:

    “A great plague will befall mankind in the year 2000. Nowhere in the world will there be order, and SATAN will rule the highest places, determining the way of things. SATAN will even succeed in asserting himself at the top of the Church.

    “He (SATAN) will succeed in seducing the spirits of the great scientists who invent arms, with which it will be possible to destroy a large part of mankind in a few minutes. SATAN will have in his power the leaders who command the people and who will incite them to produce enormous quantities of arms….

    “A huge war will erupt; fire and smoke will fall from the sky…

    “Millions and millions of men will die from hour to hour…

    “There will be death everywhere because of the errors committed by THE CRAZED and THE FOLLOWERS OF SATAN, who will then and only then rule the world.” – from on-line ref.

    – Fr. Joseph

  101. Brother Nathanael January 20, 2010 @ 4:00 pm

    Hi Everybody –

    I am now in LA for Street Evangelism and ready to go to the street.

    IT IS RAINING very hard. But I am going out as is my practice in ALL KINDS OF WEATHER.

    I will report back later when I get back from the Street.

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  102. Fr. Joseph January 20, 2010 @ 4:00 pm

    “In The Public Domain” for every last member of the hierarchies of the Eastern Orthodox Church and every last Rite of the Catholic Church – for every last pastor-preacher-leader of the 27,000 protestant demoninations – for every last Sunni and Shiite Moslem – for very last Talmud believing Jew – for every last Leader of every last Nation and State all across our planet earth – for every last human being alive, man, woman or child on planet earth:

    “Heaven’s Key to Peace”

    Every last major T.V. – CABLE – DISH network all throughout our contemporary World of 2010 A.D. CAN play that documentary FOR FREE over their networks 24 hours a day, 7 days a week – week in and week out – IF THEY WANTED ‘WORLD PEACE’.

    As you can see – ‘WORLD PEACE’ is a secondary issue, a minor issue, with people the World over as well as here on RZN’s commentary sections.

    – Fr. Joseph

  103. kmarie January 20, 2010 @ 5:46 pm

    This is a challenging topic.

    It seems many people who comment on this site are keenly aware of doctrinal fine points in the Catholic and Orthodox churches.

    Does organized Judaism have any impact on these points of controversy?

    If our dumbed down minds can read more of what Dr. Jones has to say, maybe some of the rest of us will better understand what is really happening to the highly organized and hierarchical Christian religious organizations.

    BTW, Laws632, I also have some uncomfortable questions about the grievous Haiti earthquake.

  104. The Prodigal Son January 20, 2010 @ 6:58 pm

    Hi Charlie,

    Let’s be friends o.k. ? There is no reason why two people can’t have a discussion w/out becoming antagonistic… All I’m trying to do is get at the truth (the whole of which I do not profess to know).

    You wrote, “You, Prodigal Son, answered that question, the references you gave regarding standing for the service are not relevent. Thanks.”

    You’re very welcome. I was only trying to show some of the history, logic & reasoning behind standing vs kneeling in general.

    Then you wrote, “You disagree with the comments from one of your own members and accuse me of a lack of humility for simply asking a question and quoting one of your own rather than stating my own views?”

    I apologize Charlie. I really wasn’t accusing you of lack of humility… I just wondered WHERE the humilty was. And I DO disagree with the commentary of the supposed ‘Orthodox’ voice you quoted above.

    Frankly, I have a hard time believing that those are the words of an Eastern Orthodox Christian…

    Understand that there are ‘churches’ (predominately in the U.S. and Europe) which call themselves ‘Orthodox’… but at the same time – have NO CONNECTION to the original Church of the New Testament, and are therefore – not really Orthodox !

    They are – in fact – nothing more than ‘self-starters’ just like Mormons or Jehovah’s Witnesses, and without Apostolic Succession and Apostolic Doctrine – they are NO CHURCH AT ALL !

    You also did not answer this re: the above…

    You said, “Here are a few comments from one of their own regarding the Orthodox Church.” and “(I am) simply asking a question and quoting one of your own rather than stating my own views?”

    I ask you again:

    WHO are these comments from? What Church are they speaking of?


  105. R. C. Christian January 20, 2010 @ 7:07 pm

    Bro Nate and Mark Glenn on RBN right now.


  106. Brother Nathanael January 20, 2010 @ 7:20 pm

    Hi Everybody,

    I am now back from the street here in LA.

    It was pouring down rain at a major intersection late afternoon. As soon as I took my stand holding high the holy Cross of Christ, people started honking, waving, yelling out, “God bless you!” and giving me the “thumbs up” sign.

    After 15 minutes of a tremendous positive response, a policeman came and he was mean.

    He insisted I leave the median strip and when I showed him the Supreme Court ruling affirming my right to be there, he said “this paper is worthless.”

    He then began to verbally abuse me, calling me “delusional” and telling me I was about to be taken to jail.Then he got on the walkie talkie and 5 minutes later there were 6 cop cars around me – one of them a paddy wagon.

    The lead cop came up and he was a Jew named Guzmzn with a hooked nose and malicious snarl. He accused me , pointing at the Cross, of “wielding a weapon” and the original cop said I attepted to “assault” him with it.

    I was then accused of “loitering” and I answered that the Supreme Court affirmed my right to free speech on a “publically held trust” of the median strip and thus I was NOT ‘loitering.” Guzman the Jew was nasty and said he was writing a citation against me.

    In the meantime as all of this took over 40 minutes to transpire, tons of cars were witnessing POLICE TERRORISM against a lone skinny man trying to spread good will LEGALLY. Didn’t matter. Cops are now part of the Military/Zionist TERRORIZING Police state, which is like an invading army against the American people. They’ve got the power and Americans are INTIMIDATED by this power.

    After 10 minutes Guzman the Jew told me I must sign the citation which I refused to do. I was told that if I don’t sign they were taking me to jail right then and now. I saw I was out BULLIED by these cops with their GUNS, BADGES, LIES. and paper work. I simply said I was leaving and not coming back and shook the dust off from my feet.

    Tomorrow I will go to a different County and pray that the Cops don’t TERRORIZE me there. Please pray everyone for my protection by Christ Our God And Saviour.

    Ladies and Gentlemen, the Anti Christ is coming and he will be a Jew, like Guzman, with mailicious, demonic hatred for the Holy Cross of Christ.

    BUT, I will continue with the Holy Work that Christ has called me to – to go to EVERY MAJOR CITY IN THE US HOLDING HIGH THE HOLY CROSS.

    Will you please all consider helping me financially?

    Plane fare and courier service was very expensive and I can hardly meet costs this month’s costs for OUR site, Real Zionist News.

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  107. charlie January 20, 2010 @ 7:30 pm

    Suffice to say I agree with him/her.

    I would post my own views except you would be right, they would not contain any humility.

    I humble myself before God not humanity.

    So again you are in doctrinal error on that score as well – human respect is actually a sin before God.

  108. The Prodigal Son January 20, 2010 @ 7:32 pm

    Br. Nathanael,

    What did the policeman say when you showed him the ruling ?

    In your post, that sentence seems incomplete.

    May God bless you in your efforts and may the sun shine on you tomorrow !

    Everyone – send Br. Nathanael $5 in an envelope… TODAY !

  109. charlie January 20, 2010 @ 7:52 pm

    They are the words of Jesus.

  110. R. C. Christian January 20, 2010 @ 7:55 pm

    Bro Nate needs a pair of them hidden camera glasses so he can capture these Zionist Jew cops and post the video on youtube.

    Bro Nate said the lead cop was a Jew and told him the Supreme Court ruling was worthless in the city of devils.

    He is still on live and can be heard at the link I posted in my previous comment.

  111. Brother Nathanael January 20, 2010 @ 8:10 pm

    @ Prodigal Son –

    He said, as I wrote above, ““this paper is worthless” when I showed him the Supreme Court ruling. +bn

  112. charlie January 20, 2010 @ 8:51 pm

    That was Prodigal Son, Br Nathaneal, who asked that question.

    My comments were directed to Prodigal Son re. his post and not Br Nathanaels post.

    Just thought I’d clear that up.

  113. R. C. Christian January 20, 2010 @ 9:42 pm

    Jews fulfilling Talmudic obligations, Edgar Bronfman is a real piece of work.

    This is a slap in the face of all Goy no matter their color or country.

    We must unite as Goy and put our different religious beliefs aside, they want to kill all of us.

    Look what these chosen did to the real semitic people:

  114. Niko January 20, 2010 @ 9:56 pm

    Fr. Joseph,

    Can you give an unabridged version of the Fatima messages, and why has the Church hidden it for so long?

  115. Fr. Joseph January 21, 2010 @ 1:35 am

    Dear Niko,

    Regarding the Fatima Messages – contained here:

    Personally, I attribute the Fatima Messages and Secrets have been set aside and hidden on account of the satanic influences on and within the circles of the Church’s leadership.

    So, on the one hand, the satanic influences within and among the Church leadership hides and obscures the Fatima Message and prevents the Collegial Consecration of Russia SO THAT the satanic influence outside of the Church, in and throughout the secular/god-less nations of our World ensure they are all mutually armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons and other forms of weapons of mass and total destruction.

    Then, with the approach of the end of Satan’s century worth of time granted to him and the power over those who would give themselves to Satan in exchange for wealth and power in this world – Satan simply ensures a massive kill off of our sinful human race in a thermonuclear Third World War – thus “harvesting” millions upon millions of our own human race for HELL.

    Again, personally, I am of my own conviction that IF the Collegial Consecration of Russia where properly done in the manner that God desires done, Satan’s Third World War could be STOPPED dead in its tracks thus SPARING millions upon millions of my fellow human beings finding themselves ‘instantaneously KILLED OFF’ and brought before the Judgement Throne of God.

    And with that additional period of time, they ALL could seek God’s Forgiveness and amend their lives so as to secure God’s Blessings and their Eternal Salvation.

    – Fr. Joseph

  116. Stav January 21, 2010 @ 2:08 am

    Dear Charlie,

    You say:

    “I humble myself before God not humanity.

    So again you are in doctrinal error on that score as well – human respect is actually a sin before God.”

    Humility and humbleness, is to be universal, not only before God.

    It was Jesus Christ who humiliated Himself before us Humans and before God on the Cross. It was Him who said “forgive them, because they know not what they do”.

    And most importantly, it is He who created the Universe and became Human for us, humans.

    Who are we to say that we are only to be humble before God and not all Humans?

    And while one must stand up for Christ, we are still to view everyone as at least in some points better than us, or at least excused from thier sins, and put ourselves down, before God and our fellow people.

    The Orthodox Church, which still remembers and celebrates our Saints, has ample numbers of people who followed this example. That is to say, that humility and humbleness is not to be conditional, but rather unconditional. One is to view themselves as a sinner, the worst there is, and as such, the feeling of remorse and repentance is to saturate ones life continuously and through out ones life during all transactions and encounters.

    To view the matter differently, will lead to pride, which we all know is Satan’s reason for falling.

    Remember the example of St. Paul, one of the holiest men to live on this earth, who specifically described himself to be “the worst of all”.

    If you are interested to know who this actually works, consider this: The more we know and understand, the more guilty we are (because sinning with awareness makes one naturally more guilty than the opposite) and thus, the more humility is required to counteract this.

    To conclude with a relevant note, this is exactly the problem with Jews. They know they are wrong, they know they murdered and rejected the Messiah and even cursed their generations to come with His blood. This puts them at the pinnacle of pride combined with awareness and thus, makes them tragically guilty. During our struggles against them, lets all pray that at least a part of the Jewish people see the truth before the end comes…


  117. jgalindes January 21, 2010 @ 4:45 am

    Good friends,

    I sincerely am starting to believe that there is a concerted effort to finish any Roman Catholic Church participants here.

    Not exactly Br. Nathanael, who is above any such suspect, but all the other Orthodox commenters that enter these threads in a sucession not different than characters in a theater play (mostly to combat Fr. Joseph).

    While I agree eveyone is entitled to write whatever he/she wants, certain deep offences are percolating here.

    I’ve been watching, saddened, how all the articles are diverted from the original subject into all this theology/doctrine/liturgy concepts, that objectively will not have any positive impact in our stand, our struggle against the evil Jews.

    I’ll say more, I think that all this adjust perfectly well into a grand startegy by the same evil, their tactical weapons our heated interchange on Christian matters (they use us, to their rejoice).

    I’ll tell you one thing from very deep in my heart, risking some of you imagining…”well there it goes that stupid South American with his “passional” arguments”…

    While I’m not a ‘Papist pimp or harlot’ as an evil psudo-orthodox (“Fr. John” which I do believe is another impostor) called me the other day in one of the Ugly Truth threads, I think that we can find a certain temporal spot, let us say, at the beginning of the 20th century, where the major assault against RCC took place.

    We may even study ‘progressivism’ starting with Lamennais, Maritain, TEILHARD DE CHARDIN, a host of Theologians and philosophers especially German and French and conclude that most of them were ‘judaidized’, with a destructive hidden agenda.

    Above I posted a link to some docs that shows the close relationship between Cardinal Bea (a major Freemason) and the Jewish American scholars as a way of indicating that, yes, there is much wrong with modern RCC.

    I still think we had good enough Popes, Like Leo XIII, Pius X, Pius XII, so RCC was still defensible.

    But if people like Stav nails 2000 years of Church history, with their millions of followers, Saints, Martyrs, evangelists, scientists, teachers, and a long etc, to the acclamation of many here, there is much more a person can do instead of trying to argue with the people with a preconceived almost fanatical idea.

    I, as Charlie, do not feel any sense of love in Orthodoxy, as exposed here, I have to be sincere with you (Br. Nathanael apart).

    Of course you may be very wise, learned (some truly encyclopedic) but I particularly can’t feel warmth in your words (I’m talking about your own appreciation of Orthodoxy, not to speak in your POV in relation with RCC that is frankly hostile).

    The article is extremely interestiing but useless as we can infer according to Stav, RCC is a gigantic lie, a way of perdition!

    Why we must loose our time reading, researching and commenting Sungenis, or Hoffman or E. Michael Jones if RCC is rotten from the beginning?

    How can a sane person think it is possible to perform a monumental conversion from RCC to Orthodoxy, accepting of course that everything in RCC is wrong?

    Surely that person, if intelligent, is just boasting his marvellous teologic/philosophic stand but not wishing with his heart to ‘save’ those he imagine in error.

    If you permit me to say (an evil Roman Catholic):

    “God save us because in our dis-unity we are easy prey of the malignant Jew.”

  118. Michael K. January 21, 2010 @ 10:23 am

    Dear Brother Nathanael,

    When I heard you were going to L.A. I had a feeling of apprehension that you would encounter a particular type of police officer of which Guzman is but one example. You handled it impeccably as far as I can see. Take heart, you will do better in some places, worse in others but the people loved you nonetheless.

    Dear jgalindes,

    Yes, I have been watching not knowing what to say and I see your point. In my case I was baptized RC but haven’t been satisfied with my experience in church since being a child. So as an adult I have chosen to become a catechumen in the Greek Orthodox Church based only on what I have learned here.

    It is very good and I am satisfied with the sacredness of the liturgy and the genuine kindness in many of the people, especially those who came in through the Russian Orthodox Church and relocated to my area where there is only Greek Orthodox. It is not a huge undertaking to convert as the baptism in the holy Trinity remains valid throughout.

    On the other hand, if I was you and I had a community of brothers and sisters in Christ with whom I was already a part, I would stay there until I died. I don’t think it matters as much as some people do. So with Father Joseph – he is a Carmelite and there would be no good reason to quit. I have to agree that the Orthodox faith is quite correct, but being ‘letter-of-the-law’ can be a Sadducee-type pitfall. ‘You shall know them by their love’.

    Regarding Fatima – I don’t know what those children saw. But there are certain things about the movement which has grown up around this mystery which is very cult-like and rigidly dogmatic, something inappropriate considering that Christ never required us to look for and believe in an Apparition or anything like that. As St. Paul said “the truth is of no private interpretation”.

    That’s where if there is strife being made it is just as wrong as the Sadducee-like error of the Orthodox. The Fatima Apparition does not command our obedience, only the Gospels. Obedience to Fatima is voluntary and subject to being judged according to existing standards already governing what is true. Some of the Fatima people act like they have the new Gospel and we all need to get converted. This is so wrong on so many levels that I wish they would stop since they are doing harm to whatever good is contained in those revelations.

    That I hope helps to cement the position of common ground between the various members of the Church. I do so with love and with good feeling towards all people who seek Communion with Christ. Most of all I believe that we can agree to disagree about certain points of which no person hold the answer at this time other than Jesus Christ.

    The Peace of Christ be with You.

  119. Fr. Joseph January 21, 2010 @ 10:23 am

    There is a VAST DIFFERENCE between being a ‘Martyr’ for one’s Religious Faith and being a ‘Suidical-Psychopath’ for one’s Religious Faith.

    A true ‘Martyr’ is DRAGGED AWAY against his or her own free will in order to be PUT TO DEATH for one’s dearly held religious and spiritual convictions.

    a FALSE ‘Martyr’ has a DEATH-WISH, a ‘Daring To Tempt God’ in order to prove his, her or their point, their religious beliefs, their psycho-spiritual-theological assertions and assertiveness is CORRECT.

    The Satanists, the Illuminists, the International Allied Occult formed at the King George V hotel in Paris, France back in March, 1931 have as their satanic goal the DESTRUCTION of the Catholic Church as well as a thermonuclear Third World War by which millions upon millions of our fellow HUMAN BEINGS are to be killed off EN MASSE.

    And WHY? does this Internationally Allied Occult cabal desire the slaughtering off the millions upon millions of our fellow HUMAN BEINGS all across this God-given planet earth of ours?

    BECAUSE each and every last member of OUR Human Race is really and truly created in the Image and Likeness of GOD HIMSELF!

    And Satan HATES God – and since SATAN cannot do anything to attack God Himself – Satan takes out his HATRED of God on those who possess His Image and Likeness!

    Now GOD has given the Catholic Church’s BISHOPS a way of CRUSHING Satan’s head by uniting themselves with THE WOMAN of Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12:17 – and doing a very simple thing – a public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to the Immaculately Loving Heart of THE WOMAN of Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12:17.

    Which is the spiritually STRONGER and spiritually SUPERIOR of the two?

    Satan’s HATRED of God – or – the Immaculate LOVE of THE WOMAN of Genesis 3:15 & Revelation 12:17?

    To ALL of you RZN readers – whether you be a ‘Catholic’, an ‘Orthodox’, a ‘Protestant’, an ‘Anything Else’ – WHO DO YOU SAY possess the STRONGER and SUPERIOR spriitual strength and power?

    Is it 1) SATAN and his HATRED of God and all that God Is and all that God has created and all that God has given Life?

    Or is it 2) THE WOMAN of Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12:17’s LOVE or God and all that God Is and all that God has created and all that God has given Life – TO INCLUDE the life residing within SIX BILLION HUMAN BEINGS all created in God’s Image and Likeness?

    Now it surely appears to me that the ORTHODOX here on RZN have this SUICIDAL ‘MARTYRDOM’ COMPLEX-SPIRITUALITY since no Orthodox here has accepted the Fatima Apparitions of the Mother of God and no Orthodox here has accepted that the successor of St. Peter holds ‘THE KEYS’ entrusted to him by God Incarnate Himself!

    The Patriarchs and Metropolitans of every last ‘Orthodox’ church all claim the Divine Right of being ‘AUTOCELPHOUS’ – and hence, they are ABSOLVED of having any care, concern, compassion to and for anything BUT their own little “independent” parcel of this World, of the Christian people and of the REST of the Human Race ‘At-Large’.

    So, from the Orthodox point-of-view, the entire World and its Human Race “Can Go To Hell” on account of having a ‘Divine Right’ to NOT listen to or accept the Bishop of Rome.

    That is not only ‘SUICIDAL’ – that’s down right ‘MURDEROUS’ given the FACT that God Himself has GIVEN our World, our Church and ALL OF MANKIND the ‘Divine Solution’ to our global psycho-spiritual SATANIC problem and has given His Church the ‘Divine Way’ of DEFEATING Satan, his legions of demonic elementals and his allied human stooges, dupes and allies.

    If it is the SATANISTS in the hierarchy of the Catholic Church which are PREVENTING the compliance of the Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to the Immaculately Loivng Heart of THE WOMAN of Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12:17 – then the Patriarchs and Metropolitans of the Orthodox Church who, likewise, REFUSE to cooperated with and/or participate in that Collegial Consecration are WORKING HAND-IN-HAND WITH the Satanists in the Vatican.

    As a Catholic Chirstian – I KNOW that is the BIG PROBLEM in and with my Catholic Church. Satan PREVENTING his own head getting CRUSHED by THE WOMAN of Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12:17.

    But perhaps all of you ORTHODOX have yet to discover and/or recognize that the Orthodox Church’s Patriarchs and Metropolitans are ASSISTING the Satanists in my Catholic Church’s hierarchy.

    And that your Orthodox Patriarchs and Metropolitans have a ‘SUICIDAL MARTYRDOM COMPLEX’ – because the Satanists and Illuminists FULLY INTEND in getting the ENTIRE FLOCK of the worldwide Orthodox Church BURNED-AT-THE-THERMONUCLEAR-STAKE!

    And the Orthodox hierarchy is ‘pleased as punch’ to offer all of YOU of the Orthodox Church as a ‘Holocaust Satanic Sacrifice’!

    So, in closing with the words of Walter Cronkite – News Reporter and Journalist of World Affairs and the International Scene –


    – Fr. Joseph

    p.s. All of you Orthodox here on RZN can now ‘return to your regularly scheduled program’ getting on with DENOUNCING the Pope and the Catholic Church. 900+ year old habits are hard – VERY HARD – to break!

  120. Constantine January 21, 2010 @ 11:19 am

    Since this is Brother Nathanael’s forum and I am his guest, then who am I to offend the other guests who have been welcomed by Brother Nathanael?

    Do what seems right in your eyes.



  121. Brother Nathanael January 21, 2010 @ 11:33 am

    Dear Constantine –

    This is an Open Forum for all to express their thoughts and opinions, even though they may differ from what others believe.

    As long as their is no blasphemies, slanders, Ad Hominems, all comments are permitted.

    +Brother Nathanael

  122. Stav January 21, 2010 @ 12:45 pm

    Dear jgalindes,

    You say:

    “…The article is extremely interestiing but useless as we can infer according to Stav, RCC is a gigantic lie, a way of perdition!…”

    The truth is exactly, that, the RCC is involved in a big lie, and while they remain Christian in the broader sense of the word, what they call a “Church” is not a “Church” in reality. So, when it is mentioned here as a Church, I must almost always, when I can jump in and show it to be otherwise.

    In the end, everyone of us, can work against Zionism, and since we are all Christian here, we have a common goal. But, as has already been mentioned here on this site and particularly in the comments of this article, one has to realize that our souls are at stake here, and since that is the case, it is not enough to be just Christian in the general sense of the word.

    One must realize that is there are several thousand “Churches” today, each claiming to be the true Church, and we know that there is only one true Church, then in the least, see that it could not possibly be the RCC that fulfills the requirements, for the many reasons presented here, regardless of the occasional or even frequent good it presents.

    In addition to the above, dear jgalindes, if you paid a bit more attention to what I am actually saying and take in each and every argument and / or fact I am presenting here, you will see that it is a very polite and honest presentation of the facts. Now, you may not like it, because of the psychological issues I mentioned in a previous post, you may even feel severe discomfort in reading it, but rest assured, that is not an objective way to determine if I am hostile or not as you put it.

    As one simple example, take what I said before about the receiving of the Holy Communion in the RCC:

    The RCC offers only the Body to the congregation.

    Jesus Christ Himself said that you need BOTH for salvation.

    The RCC ignores this, under the supporting actions and sayings of the Pope.

    What’s your opinion about this then? Does that sound right with you?

    Would you rather I stop mentioning the fact that the RCC has actually changed things for no apparent good reason at all?

    If you find the above uncomfortable or saddening, it is ,most certainly not because of my own desire to do so. My desire is to present the error, for the benefit of who may be ready to accept this.

    Finally, about the Orthodox here seemingly (according to your words) trying to throw out and RCC Christian out of this site:

    I assure you, that is not the case, I have no intention to do so to anyone. However, the truth is in the pudding. Anyone can see the history of all comments for all articles on this site. You will see that at least in my case, I always responded second, to what in my view was an offensive note or comment by a “Catholic” first.

    With the exception of this particular article, which is specifically referring to the RCC, I have NEVER brought this subject up first. So there you have it, perhaps things are actually the other way around, perhaps (I am only guessing in a rhetorical way here) it is the members of the Roman “Church” who like to bring up these controversial subjects.

    In the case of Fatima and the consecration of Russia in particular, I have already mentioned that at least to me personally, I find these posts VERY intensely insulting for reasons I have already mentioned, yet Fr. Joseph chooses to always mention it, without being ever given any reason to do so.


  123. Stav January 21, 2010 @ 12:45 pm

    Dear Michael K.

    You say:

    “…But there are certain things about the movement which has grown up around this mystery which is very cult-like and rigidly dogmatic, something inappropriate considering that Christ never required us to look for and believe in an Apparition or anything like that. As St. Paul said “the truth is of no private interpretation”….”

    My personal thinking on the matter of the Fatima apparitions was that:

    1) The apparitions were of spiritual beings, we accept this.

    2) Since this is the the case, we are REQUIRED to test the spirits, because they can appear as angels of light and as saints and anything else. These two points are taken from Scripture.

    3) Since these spirits were not tested, then, how can we be sure they were of God?

    4) Thus the advise is, to ignore the spirits, until they prove to be of God. And the only way this can be done, is if they are witnessed to admit that Jesus Christ is truly the Son of God, the second Person of the Holy Trinity.

    Thus, one would be wise to ignore these apparitions as is the case with many many others.

    5) In addition to the above, there are certain things that these spirits said (if we are to believe the account) that are not correct theologically and scripturally.

    6) Since the RCC has been proven, time and again, to be wrong in so many doctrinal and practice issues, and at the same time the apparitions seem to affirm the RCC’s validity, one can also logically deduce, that these apparitions were either manufactured, or presented to humanity by demonic spirits.

    All of this together, must make anyone become heavily suspicious of any such apparitions.


  124. Stav January 21, 2010 @ 12:46 pm

    To Fr. Joseph,

    You say:

    “…But perhaps all of you ORTHODOX have yet to discover and/or recognize that the Orthodox Church’s Patriarchs and Metropolitans are ASSISTING the Satanists in my Catholic Church’s hierarchy….”

    Well, yes I do not deny this, but I would not confirm this either. However, this does not even remotely take away the fact that as a whole the OC, still have the unfailing faith from the beginning, while the RCC has diluted it. By picking a representative of a movement, to try to demonize the whole movement, you are adopting propaganda style practices here Fr. Joseph.

    It is a well known fact within the tradition of the Church, that even if a single or many cells in the Body of Christ are subverted, this does not affect the Church as a whole. And this is the case here too, regardless of what is actually happening behind the scenes.


  125. jgalindes January 21, 2010 @ 1:34 pm

    Stav,in fact I said :

    “The article is extremely interestiing but useless as we can infer according to Stav, RCC is a gigantic lie, a way of perdition!”

    But also said:

    “Why we must loose our time reading, researching and commenting Sungenis, or Hoffman or E. Michael Jones if RCC is rotten from the beginning?”


    “But if people like Stav nails 2000 years of Church history, with their millions of followers, Saints, Martyrs, evangelists, scientists, teachers, and a long etc, to the acclamation of many here, there is much more a person can do instead of trying to argue with the people with a preconceived almost fanatical idea.”

    Do you have any reasonable comments on these statements?

  126. Michael K. January 21, 2010 @ 1:58 pm

    Dear Father Joseph,

    I hope you understand that I believe in the purity of your subjective motives for championing the cause of Fatima, but I see you making what I can only term extreme statements in your zeal. Some of these are very destructive to a dialog by which you presumably hope to foster love and unity on our Lord Jesus Christ. Consider some of the statements you have just made:

    1.) Doubting or refusing to accept the Apparitions of Fatima, a private vision given to three children ninety years ago, is equivalent morally and theologically to both suicide and homocide.

    2.) The hierarchy of the Orthodox Church is rife with Satanists in collusion with Satanists in the Vatican.

    3.) Not listening to the Bishop of Rome is equivalent to telling the whole world to go to hell (although you have already informed us that he is an Satanist and anti-pope).

    I think it would be wise of you to change tactics here if you really intend to do any good, because facially nearly nobody can be reasonable in accepting even one of those statements as valid. Just step out of your shoes as ‘Fatima Crusader’ and try to think like an disinterested observer for a minute.

    RE: 1.) Where did the Catholic Church give you as a priest the authority to make such a profoundly heretical statement? It didn’t, and you are outside of the kind of speech which the RC will defend. You belong to a splinter group which operates without the sanction of the Bishop of Rome, which is in logical contradiction to (3.) above. You have to admit that this is irrational.

    Of course you have what I consider some decent arguments why you have this irrational belief, but you don’t get to pick and choose what you follow if you want to argue (3.) is valid. So it’s either one or the other and it can’t be both/and – otherwise you are going to have to be humble in accepting others’ conclusions that you are not reasoning correctly.

    RE: 2.) Prove it, as others have done with the RCC. Otherwise you are a slanderer, which is anti-Christian if you want to use the Epistles as any guide. And it’s not that I think it impossible, but it’s just plain wrong to say so with authority when it seems that you are guessing. You ought to know better than that.

    RE: 3.) As I said above, you yourself don’t honor the Bishop of Rome with your extreme Fatima talk, which the RCC has explicitly limited and whose mandate you feel compelled out of belief to exceed.

    Your excuse, the Bishop of Rome is a Satanist and an anti-pope. AGREED, but then why are the Orthodox at the same time heretics for rejecting his leadership? This is another illogical, self-contradictory statement. It’s only reconciled in your head and you shouldn’t lay upon the rest of us the burden of having to trust YOU as the arbiter of which irrational beliefs are good and bad.

    Frankly, I like you and I respect your past efforts on a whole host of subjects. But you strain your credibility to the limits by promulgating such statements as those above. I want to listen to you, want to let you in to inform me of what you believe and what you think it means. But now you push me away by forcing me to choose between a ‘Fatima Crusade’, and the combined weight of both reason and tradition.

    This is not Roman Catholicism that I am questioning when I challenge the reasonability of such statements and you are mis-characterizing the debate if you try to revert to that position as an ego-defense. I am open to continued dialog about the possible meaning and importance of Fatima, but not to your continued insistence that everyone who refuses to immediately convert to ‘Fatimism’ on your relentless insistence is a criminal psychopath.

    You are not representing the RCC when you make such assertions, but you sound more and more like somebody in a mind-control cult.

    To that end I am trying to help you come to reason and am doing so out of love. This is not about anything but the Truth. And Fatima may be true, but it is not the standard by which Truth is measured, as you seem to assert. This is an abuse of reason. It is an inversion of Catholicism.

    Either the Truth is in the Apostolic Tradition and the Gospels or you are about heresy. Nobody made you Pope and your irrational beliefs, while they may have some real truth in them, are not infallible guides for the rest of the Church.

    I don’t want to hear that I am your enemy now, that I hate Catholics or any of the other Jew emotional hysteria associated with a person trying to defend their particular warp. It is my opinion that you need to start dealing in responsible and reasonable statements or else preface everything you say with a statement like: ‘these are just my beliefs, take or leave them.’

    Otherwise what is anyone not so privileged as to have received YOUR OWN VERY PRIVATE mystical visions to think other than that you have come unhinged?

    Don’t ask the unreasonable and impossible and then lay accusations at those who don’t satisfy your demands, particularly that everyone drop everything they now reasonably hold as truth and join an apparition-cult with you because you had a vision. And then as additional emotional leverage insist that unless we abandon our faith and established Truths and join your cult we are in effect murdering you personally.

    Why would you do that to us if you love us? Why wouldn’t you try to understand us better?

    Peace in Christ.

  127. Stav January 21, 2010 @ 2:33 pm

    Hi jgalindes,

    Consider again, that I did provide you with all the answers needed in my previous reply, even if some were somewhat implied. Anyway, here goes a second try. Please forgive some errors, as English is not my first language.

    I copied and pasted your quote, did you see any differences from the original in what I pasted?

    As far as a comment goes to your first statement, here goes:

    Since as I said in my previous posts, at the very basic level we are all Christian, in the greater sense, then, yes, it is good to have as much information and facts available. Thus it is good, useful and wise to consider and even leverage on E. M. J’s writings etc. No problem there. One would be wise to consider even non-Christian sources for informational purposes. I really see no problem there.

    Do not confuse individually presented information with established wrong doctrine. I have a problem with the first, not with the latter.

    But, that does not take away the fact that the RCC and an organized religious community also is saturated by serious problems with their faith, theology etc..

    A similar case of a completely different nature, would be for example, having no problem reading some research or other informational information written by a homosexual person, and accepting homosexuality as a normal state for human beings to be in. I would happily do the first, but never the second.

    Or, reading informational material/books written by Zionist Jews, and accepting Zionism as a correct world view. Again, I would happily do the first, but never the second.

    Once can always find some truth (or a lot as the case may be) or some vital piece of information in any written word, provided there is no vulgar content etc. etc.

    As for you second point, you assume something that in my opinion, is not true, not does it make any sense to me. It almost seems to me that you do not like what you see in me, because you don’t agree to what I have to say. That is not logical, nor is it going to faze me.

    My answer, would be that I cannot comment on your last statement because I do not agree with it, and thus, I do not want to risk an implied acceptance of it.

    My personal view is that there is no fanaticism and no arguing at least on my part. If you notice my posts, you will see a consistent pattern. In fact, as an example, you will find the same consistency from Fr. Joseph. I only respond consistently to a consistent set of ideas presented here, to which I feel the need to present and alternate view here.

    I’ll ask again, would you rather I stop? Is that what this is all about?

    And since both RCCs and OCs of today are long removed from the time of the first Church, I would agree that yes, there are preconceived ideas, but technically speaking, having a preconceived idea is not bad simply because of the fact that it is preconceived, it is only bad, if it is actually wrong.

    I only try to balance out the RCC views presented here, of which there are many and as previously stated, almost invariably appear first, without any OC giving reason for such.


  128. jgalindes January 21, 2010 @ 3:11 pm


    Your replies are slanted and tangencial.

    How to reconcile reading one of those recognized and learned Catholics if their field of skill is nothing more than lies.

    Any sane person will not read or study people analysing invalid matters or lies.

    Is like studying computer engineering and denying the usefulness of the micro-processor…

    Anyway I’ll let things at this point, I’m not challenging you.

  129. Fr. Joseph January 21, 2010 @ 3:20 pm

    Michael K,

    There is really no reason for me to continue making THE ATTEMPT to exchange any thoughts with you – as you exhibit, as well as Stav, this bewildering ability to DISTORT anything I might attempt to relay to you Orthodox!

    You have NO DESIRE to relinquish your convuleted thinking. And I can’t help you with that. Only God the Holy Spirit and His Divine Grace(s) can do that.

    There is this thing called “an obtuse spirit” mentioned by the Lord Himself, and He makes mention of that in a not-at-all favorable light.

    Truly, I’m SORRY I can’t help you – since I’ve been TRYING to help all of you Orthodox here TO UNDERSTAND what is at stake for our Human Race with the information, the on-line references, the explanations with and without my own personal emotional outbursts.

    Again, it was the Mother of God as Our Lady of Fatima, Portugal who said


    May I suggest going before a statue of the Mother of God and – with a sincere heart and mind – ASK HER to help you overcome these personal-internal OBSTACLES that are preventing YOU from seeing all manner of things from HER Point-Of-View and with HER Spiritual Perspective as Spouse of God the Holy Spirit.

    While I might be ordained into her Son’s Priesthood in the Church’s Monastic Brotherhood, I’m just a MAN made out flesh and blood doing what I can – with the Grace of God – to DEFEND the Church, to DEFEND all of Mankind and to DEFEND the Honor of God and His Holy Will for BOTH His Church AND for all of Mankind.

    God the Holy Spirit HIMSELF has to bring into fruition and realization that which He Himself DESIRES DONE with and IN the lives of people the World over – to include YOUR very own.

    May the Divine Celestial Light of God the Holy Spirit enlighten and inspire you +. Amen.

    – Fr. Joseph

  130. Stav January 21, 2010 @ 3:38 pm

    Fr. Joseph,

    You quote the spirit (you think is the Mother Of God):

    Yet Christ said:

    John 14:6 (King James Version)

    6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me.

    What I have a problem with is not the “can help you” part, but rather the “only” part of the above statement. If the apparition was truly divine, this would have not been put this way, Fr. Joseph. She would have made it clear that She is our intercessor, not the actual salvation.

    You say:

    “May I suggest going before a statue of the Mother of God and…”

    Orthodox, never used statues for veneration, we only use Icons. Statues, were introduced, just like all the other things your community and it’s Popes have.

    In Christ our Lord, may He grant us mercy!


  131. charlie January 21, 2010 @ 3:43 pm


    Calling the catholic faith “bathwater” which shoud be “thrown out” – making no distinction between faith and some heresies which have been introduced since Vatican II.

    If that is not offensive I do not know what is.

    If that is not heresy itself I do not know what is.

    The person I think it was Prodigal Son, who made that statement should apologize, if he is ever to be taken seriously by anyone again.

  132. arjan January 21, 2010 @ 3:49 pm

    Dear Brother Nathanael,

    Please never give up and never stop.

    I just made a small contribution from my anti-Zionist corporation – Windmill Enterprises.

    We need people to not be afraid of the Jews, like it says in the Bible, and list their full names.

    If the Jew wants to take us down they have to answer to God.

    Arjan Van Buul

  133. Gregory Laux January 21, 2010 @ 3:57 pm

    What exactly does God want from humanity?

    His word says that He wants us to not only come to a knowledge of His eternal truths, but He actually wants us to willingly choose to live by and fully comform to those truths.

    Among those truths are that it is not okay to steal that which rightfully belongs to someone else.

    It is not right to kill another human life when your own or that of others is not being immediately threatened by anyone.

    It is not right to steal someone else’s wife as they made a covenant with God to live in union with God and His purposes for the procreation of the human race.

    It is not right to falsely accuse someone for something they are not guilty of doing just so you can get out of the responsibility for having done evil things yourself.

    It is not right to have anything of this world as a higher priority than your love and obedience to God.

    It is not right to covet things which belong to your neighbor as you usually end up finding shortcuts through sin to obtain what you should possess anyways, etc.

    Those souls not willing to live by the Ten Commandments in this lifetime have NO BUSINESS thinking they are going to be let into heaven when they die, as the standards for heaven are based upon those principles of God that are eternal. If you won’t live by the Ten Commandments on the earth, then you clearly won’t live by them in eternity either.

    We need pastors to get back to the truths of God that do not tickle the ears or please the flesh of a proud and arrogant human race that wants to tell God what to do and what He must accept in their own personal behaviors in life.

    We need a Holy Spirit revival that is deep rooted in the willing obedience to the standards and commandments of a Holy Creator God.

    Yes, God has mercy to show to those who have shown mercy to their fellow human beings first.

    Yes, God has love to show to those who have shown love to their fellow human beings first.

    Yes, God has forgiveness to show to those who have shown forgiveness to their fellow human beings first.

    God is a demanding God, not one of easy street living, where you are the standard setter for what is right or wrong behavior.

    “Unless you are born again of the Holy Spirit, you cannot see and be with God when you die and enter into your eternal and final state of existence.”

    If you have mistreated somene that you are aware of, go back and reconcile with them, as proof to God that your love is more than just words. “They honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me.”

    If you have run away from allowing God/Jesus Christ to be the Lord in your earthly life, then get on your knees and repent with a valid purpose to amend your life in the present time and keep it amended in the future to conform to God’s will.

    When you die, God won’t be judging how popular you are, how much money you have, what job you had in life, what casket you were buried in and what tombstone inscription was on the headstone.

    All that will go with you beyond this life in the present world will be the times that you said “YES” to doing God’s will of sharing His love with others.

  134. Fr. Joseph January 21, 2010 @ 4:31 pm


    I am really FATIGUED in mind and spirit at the moment. Where ever I go, here on the Internet, at my place of work, in my own neighborhood and in/with my own family members, relatives and friends – day in and day out – I find myself EMBROILED in every manner of contestation in, with and over virtually EVERYTHING. Politics. Economics. Religion. Work and Family Affairs.

    And I am TIRED. I’m OUT of energy and WANING in ethusiasm in continuing in this “IN-FIGHTING” with everybody over everything.

    But as an ordained PRIEST in the AUTOCEPHALOUS Utrecht Succession of the CATHOLIC CHURCH, let me ATTEMPT to explain something to you about the WESTERN-LATIN and ROMAN Rite of the Mass.

    What I see from your postings and ‘protestations’ against the Catholic Church is this:

    You are “stuck” in a mindset of applying a relentless intellectual ‘MATHEMATICAL PRECISION’ to both the Liturgies of the Church and what are called the Church’s “rubrics”.

    Perhaps I can explain THE MASS to you in such a way so as to enable you to OPEN YOUR HEART and to SEE WITH YOUR ‘HEART’ – and not just with an intellectualizing mind.

    As a Catholic Priest, I extend my hands OVER the Laity’s Gifts of BREAD and WINE and I publicly speak the words of this Prayer;

    “Lord, You are HOLY indeed
    the Fountain of all Holiness.

    “Let Your Spirit COME UPON these gifts
    to make them Holy

    We Priests, we MEN “INVOKE” God the Holy Spirit in order to come over the LIQUID and SOLID of the wine and the bread in order to make the Body and Blood of our Lord TRULY PRESENT to and for us all – Priest(s) AND the Lay Faithful gathered together ‘in spirit’ at the Catholic Church’s MASS.

    The Blessed Virgin Mary DID NOT ‘INVOKE’ God the Holy Spirit. It was her own personal heartfelt and utterly PURE Love of God that caused GOD HIMSELF to “come DOWN to her” and ask HER PERMISSION to become ‘LIQUID-BLOOD, SOLID-FLESH’ in her very own womb!

    We MEN, we PRIESTS, we members of the LAITY do not – do not – do not LOVE GOD as fully and as completely as does the Blessed Virgin Mary.

    BUT God LOVES us soooo much that He DESIRES to be with us members of the Human Race, Priests and members of the Lay Faithful – so God ALLOWS US to “invoke Him” onto the Altars of our Catholic Churches, regardless of what RITE is used – Roman, Byzantine, Melkite, Malabar, Ambrosian, etc.

    After our Eucharistic Prayer of CONSECRATION, with the BODY of our Lord and with the BLOOD of our Lord really and truly present on our Altars, Catholic Priests take the BODY of our Lord and while holding His Body OVER the Chalice of His Blood, Catholic Priests do TWO THINGS simultaneously.

    For their own sake and the sake of ALL THE SOULS present in the Congregation of the Lay Faithful AS WELL AS any unseen souls, angels and saints in attendence AT that particular Mass, the presiding Catholic Priest ANNOUNCES OUT LOUD:

    “LAMB OF GOD, You take away the sins of the world; have mercy on us.

    “LAMB OF GOD, You take away the sins of the world; have mercy on us.

    “LAMB OF GOD, You take away the sins of the world, GRANT US PEACE.”

    The presiding Catholic Priest attempts to CAREFULLY BREAK the visible ‘bread’ Host OVER the Chalice of the Lord’s Blood AS the above prayer is announced so that the Host is COMPLETELY TORN APART at the words ‘GRANT US PEACE.’

    Stav, this LITURGICAL GESTURE is meant to VISIBLY CONVEY to one and all present at the Mass CHRIST JESUS’ OWN BODY TORN APART which resulted in HIS BLOOD being poured out from His Lacerated, Beaten, Bruised BODY.

    And HIS BLOOD poured forth from His Body IS collected and TRULY resides in THE CHALICE.

    You do recall the Lord’s Parable about the NEW & OLD WINESKINS!

    His Body NAILED to the Cross was HIS ‘Wineskin’ and the lacerations, the cuts, the bruises, the beatings, the hemorraghes of HIS BODY let out HIS DIVINE ‘WINE’ which is His Blood to and for all of us. His Body for us TO EAT. His Blood for us TO DRINK. Heavenly Bread and Wine.

    Prior to the Priest distributing His Body and His Blood out to every member of the Lay Faithful FOR THE SAKE OF their Eternal and Spiritual Life and Wellbeing – the Priest takes the BROKEN BODY of our Lord, breaks off a Piece, and drops-REUNITES it with His Blood while publicly announcing:

    “May this mingling (this REUNITING – parens mind) of the Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ BRING ETERNAL LIFE to those of us who receive it.”

    His Body AND His Blood are REUNITED in His Risen and Glorified BODY.

    To receive the RISEN LORD in Holy Communion under ONLY the ‘appearance’ of the ‘Bread’, the “Host’ IS TO receive BOTH His Body and His Blood which GOD HIMSELF REUNITED at His Resurrection from the dead!



    And that UNION of His ‘Liquid’ Nature and His ‘Solid’ Nature is done by the Same Divine Power God the Holy Spirit Who initially FORMED His ‘Liquid’ and ‘Solid’ Nature in THE WOMB of His Mother, the Blessed Virgin Mary.

    Jesus’ INCARNATION was brought about the Divine Power of God the Holy Spirit. Jesus’ RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD was brought about the Divine Power of God the Holy Spirit.

    And Jesus’ DIVINIZED-GLORIFIED NATURE in Heaven is the Divine Result of God the Holy Spirit.

    And the divinized-glorified-risen nature that is OUR BLESSED HOPE as Christians will be the result of the SAME POWER of God the Holy Spirit!

    Attempt ‘TO LOOK UPON’ what I’ve just shared with you with your HEART and not with your intellectualizing ‘mathematically precise’ MIND.

    That might, just might, HELP YOU to start looking on us CATHOLIC CHRISTIANS as real life HUMAN BEINGS rather that ‘Zombies’ walking upon this planet earth with some sort of ‘Resident Evil’ VIRUS!

    – Fr. Joseph

  135. Fr. Joseph January 21, 2010 @ 4:46 pm


    Again, you have ‘A PROBLEM’, and I’m trying one more time TO HELP YOU.

    Western Europe, in and around the Italian Pennisula is RICH IN MARBLE.

    Eastern Europe and Eurasia is ‘POOR’ in Marble.

    The ARTISTS of the West used STONE and the ARTISTS of the East used WOOD and EARTH PIGMENTS!

    A Statue of a Saint = A Painting of a Saint

    I think NON-CHRISTIANS here on RZN can understand that!

    – Fr. Joseph

  136. Fr. Joseph January 21, 2010 @ 4:51 pm


    ‘JINGLE BELLS’ played on an ORGAN is the SAME TUNE of ‘Jingle Bells’ played on FLUTE is the SAME TUNE ‘Jingle Bells’ played on a PIANO is the the SAME TUNE ‘Jingle Bells’ played on a GUITAR is the SAME TUNE ‘Jingle Bells’ played on a CELLO is the SAME TIME ‘Jingle Bells’ played on a TRUMPET.

    The Numeral ‘2’ written in paper with ink is the SAME NUMERAL ‘2’ written on a chalkboard with chalk is the SAME NUMERAL ‘2’ sprayed onto the wall as graffiti using SPRAY PAINT!

    – Fr. Joseph

  137. Stav January 21, 2010 @ 5:01 pm

    Hi Fr. Joseph,

    OK, I see your point and I truly see how you feel. If I were to answer doctrinally, I would not accomplish anything, at least today. My main points have been already posted. I do see you as a human being, hence my multitudes of comments and replies.

    I’ll pray for you. Have a nice rest of the day, I think we have both presented our sides to the extreme in this Article’s comments section. To tell you the truth, I admire Br. Nathanael for his patience.

    Thank you Br. Nathanael!

    Have a nice rest of the day/night wherever you may be.

    I pray, just like you do (I assume) that one day you will understand. True understanding is a gift of the spirit, not pure logic and maths. May the Lord enlighten us all and help us with the upcoming tribulations, which I expect at least.


  138. Stav January 21, 2010 @ 5:13 pm

    Fr. Joseph,

    One last one, since you had your last-last one too!

    Who do you think would play Jingle Bells in the nicest, fullest and most heartfelt way?

    The original composer using his poorly made instrument but a full heart,

    Or —

    Someone who has received the song second hand, and changed it’s notes to suit today’s music styles, perhaps playing it on a nice new Yamaha synth?

    I’d vote for the first one. My point?

    The instrument (i.e. the amount of effortless wealth one puts into the art) does not matter, what matters is the original and true feeling and technique one puts in it.

    Have you seen some of these street drummers, who drum with mere sticks and buckets (i.e. junk)? Some of them are amazing! Well, they HAVE it, they HAVE the rhythm, and no amount of money to buy the best drum set in the world will get it for an amateur who is not willing to do his rudiments right and until he gets them perfect. Get my point?

    My point is, I play a bit of drums too!

    Actually that’s not my real point (while it is true), but I think you may have suspected that 🙂

    Same goes for the Church. At least in my view, I am not putting any pressure to you!

    With that, I am going to bed, it’s 2 am here.


  139. hvt January 21, 2010 @ 5:23 pm

    To my brothers and sisters in Christ,

    Please accept my humble presentation of a different flavour to this discussion. May our eyes be turned heavenward in awe of His greatness.

    What Better Place Is There…

    What better place is there to be, than in the hands of the Living God? There is forgiveness in Him…when none exists from our fellow man. He sees all things concerning us…from the beginning to the very end. He knows our thoughts, dreams and motives; our very core being an open book to Him.

    Because Jesus died on Calvary’s Cross, anyone in pain, for whatever reason, can find relief and release, through bringing all to that place of unimaginable agony.

    What better place is there to be, than in the hands of the Almighty God? He rules the entire universe, and the course of man, by the utterance of His voice. The Stone that He has set in place, though rejected by most men, exudes mercy to each and every soul that falls upon its foundation. The crucified Shepherd of creation meets there with His supreme masterpiece…pitying, loving, consoling, defending, and mending the image devastated by the fall.

    What better place is there to be, than in the hands of the only True God? Though mocked by men for trusting, we find utter peace in the simplicity of faith. Comfort becomes the cloak that we wear as a badge of honor to our risen Savior, Who is well able to protect the valuable cargo He is preparing to redeem. Like a child rests in the strength of a loving parent’s watch-care and caress, we who are the apple of this awesome God’s eye…can more so do the same.

    What better place is there to be, than in the hands of a Just God? Leaving all things to be evaluated in the light of the very Giver of the Law…who sees all matters concerning His own…fully and purely…and renders justice fairly.

    We who accept his pardon, though once condemned, can recline upon His promises, and radiate to a fallen world, by His graces to us, the mystery of forgiveness. He alone enables us to love, for the sake of their souls, enemies bent on destroying.

    What better place is there to be, than in the hands of an Omniscient God? There is nothing above, under, or around the whole of the universe that leaves Him unaware. He holds the indexes of the trials of every human being that was ever created. He does more than that!

    He reads and weeps over every single story. Still, He does more than that! He offers each an ending suitable for eternity. Yet, even more does He do! He brings us to eternal life by uprooting self from within.

    What better place is there to be, than in the hands of a Loving God? In our refuge there, we see Him brooding over the hatchlings of Christ’s Sacrifice. We are ever enabled to scramble into the outstretched hands of Mercy.

    We become aware of a Presence sticking closer than the beat of our hearts. There, also, we are shadowed by a Faithful witness to the eternal faithfulness of God. What better place is there to be? There is none known to the species of fallen mankind!

    What better place is there to be, than in the hands of a Holy God? Every single promise of transformation into His very likeness, is ours to possess. Given that our finite minds lack the ability to fully grasp the intransigent greatness of His holiness, the Holy Spirit gently sways the scale in our favor, as we reverently surrender our old nature, thus allowing Him to acclimate us to the environment of the redeemed. Such is Heaven’s glorious, delightful serenade.


  140. Fr. Joseph January 21, 2010 @ 5:45 pm


    You are ALL WELCOME to go listen to the PRAYERS of the Catholic Mass (well, not exactly ALL of them nor EVERYTHING) sung to you with all sorts of MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS accompanying here:

    Br. John Michael Talbot’s “The Lord’s Supper” here. He’s a FRANCISCAN if you care to know. Franciscans are ‘good people’ – VERY ‘GOOD PEOPLE’

    And for all of you ORTHDOX here on RZN, I regularly listen to the RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH’S Sacred Music via the ‘Sacred Treastures’ CD series – so you don’t think I’m a “Pigheaded Papist”!

    – Fr. Joseph

  141. Kc January 21, 2010 @ 6:18 pm


    I also agree that these discussions are heavy and endless ( I mean, issues between RCC and OC). To me that means there is an uncompromising issue at hand…Yes/No type of issue.

    On one hand, as Orthodox I’m dedicated and have a zeal to stand up to my church, on the other hand, I generally see other Christians as Christians to start with. I’m not going to walk around and expose how wrong they are, but try to learn from them even if I disagree.

    There are different levels of discussion. Either you argue on theological level, or on ‘people’ level. If these are mixed, which Fr. Joseph does all the time, everything gets very confusing.

    The thing is, Fr. Joseph’s never ending calls to consecrate Russia is a deep and personal insult to me and my country, to me its an attack – not some sort of proposition; and he does not seem to understand that. And he is doing it all the time. How am I supposed to feel?? He doesn’t get it.

    I’d rather read what other people have to say, not the same thing over and over and over again. And I’m sure Fr. Joseph has other interesting things to talk about.

    We can stay silent or bring up arguments but now I don’t think it will make any difference.

    I’m not that patient so I’ll just let Stav answer because he pretty much says what I’d say.

    Thank you.

  142. Gregory Laux January 21, 2010 @ 6:53 pm

    To Kc, about your posting above and insults, I agree with Fr. Joseph on what he says about Russia.

    For a long time God was insulted in Russia where Christians were oppressed and even killed for believing in the God that created this universe. The effects was an arrogant and proud people that were both politically and economically devastated, as humans don’t always have the right answers to the big questions of life.

    To be insulted is to be human, as normally it is the proud that are the most offended by insults. The humble have come to learn to live with insults and injustice, as the loudest and strongest voices typically get their way in this present world.

  143. Fr. Joseph January 21, 2010 @ 8:49 pm

    Dear Kc,

    The Blessed Virgin Mary, the Mother of Jesus, the Most Holy Theotokos freely and totally CONSECRATED HER VERY SELF to our All-good God, Creator and Father in Heaven.

    What sort of ‘ATTACK’, what sort of ‘INSULT’ is it to ANY Russian whatsoever ANYWHERES to have his, her or their own country and peoples CONSECRATED to the Mother of God who CONSECRATED HER VERY SELF, body, soul, mind, heart and spirit TO GOD?

    For cryin’ out loud, dear Kc, the Most Holy Theotokos is the SPOUSE of God the Holy Spirit!

    What is it that RUSSIANS have AGAINST God the Holy Spirit?

    How is ‘blue blazes’ is it ‘un-Orthodox’ to have something, anything AGAINST the Mother of God and Spouse of GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT?

    What in ‘blue blazes’ is going on IN and WITH your Orthodox Faith?

    – Fr. Joseph

  144. charlie January 21, 2010 @ 11:43 pm

    Br. Joseph,

    You say you are a Carmelite but you belong to the Dutch Reformed Church – which is Protestant?


    This site is about fighting Zionism/Talmudism not Catholics.

    If you want to do that go to a Catholic apologetics site – if not join the fight. You can’t do both.

    At the moment you have neutered the fight against Talmudism by introducing division, distraction and obfuscation of the real issues.

    Fr Joseph in his own way has joined the fight against Zionistic Talmudism or whatever you want to call it. Thats his perogative.

    All you do is attack him for it. And thus you place yourself by your puerility on the side of the Talmudists, weakening this board and making it of nil effect.

    Where is your spirit?

  145. KathJuliane January 22, 2010 @ 1:34 am

    Greetings in the Lord Jesus, Fr. Joseph,

    You wrote: “But as an ordained PRIEST in the AUTOCEPHALOUS Utrecht Succession of the CATHOLIC CHURCH…”

    Perhaps you could clarify further. I thought a Carmelite is a RCC order.

    When you say “Autocephalous Utrecht Succession”, does that means you and your bishop are members of the community of churches in America that are the ‘Old Catholic Church’ which was first used in 1853 to describe the members of the See of Utrecht that were not under papal authority, and then which split from the RCC in 1870 because of the dogma of Papal Infallibility as promoted by Vatican I, and also rejected the papal dogma of the Immaculate Conception (although I know some OC’s do observe this devotion voluntarily)?

    Or when you say “Succession”, that just means the line by which your bishop is ordained by?

    Because now it is quite confusing if, in fact, you belong to the See of Utrecht/Old Catholic Churches who rejected Vatican I and were excommunicated by the Papacy to begin with, then how is this compatible with your persistent opinion that the Pope “order” the Eastern Orthodox Church perform “the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Conception” when you’ve just indicated that your own church is not in communion with the Pope to begin with?

    Especially since you’ve just said that your communion is “autocephalous”, meaning self-heading, that is not under the authority of Rome at all?

    Appreciate the clarification.

    IC XC
    NI KA

  146. jgalindes January 22, 2010 @ 2:57 am

    From realzionistnews website:

    Fr. Joseph January 7, 2009 @ 9:57 am

    “…I’ve been ordained into the Priesthood via the Utrecht Succession. One can properly call that (canonically) ‘Independent Catholic’. The legitimate Apostolic Succession granted to the Catholic Church in and of Holland many centuries ago is responsible for “producing” such Saints of the Catholic Church such as Thomas A’Kempis (author of the book ‘The Imitation of Christ’) as well as St. Boniface who was instrumental in converting the pagans and barbarians of the nation of Germany….”

    Fr. Joseph December 22, 2009 @ 11:53 am

    “…Arjan, I was ordained into the Church’s Monastic Brotherhood in/under the Utrecht Succession of the Catholic Church. That’s the ‘Dutch’ Catholic Church (grin)…”

  147. Fr. Joseph January 22, 2010 @ 3:01 am


    For your information:

    – Fr. Joseph

  148. Fr. Joseph January 22, 2010 @ 3:03 am


    For your information:

    – Fr. Joseph

  149. The Prodigal Son January 22, 2010 @ 6:00 am

    Br. Nathanael,

    Thanks!… For some reason part of your post was cut off the first time I read it.

    — — —


    Why won’t you answer me? I’ll ask you a 3rd time (now I know how Constantine feels):

    WHO made the comments you posted above purporting to be an Orthodox voice? (Jan 19 @ 10:48pm)…

    If these comments are from an Orthodox voice – then why does the voice say ‘they’ when referring supposedly to the Orthodoxy – rather than ‘we’?

    WHAT Church does you anonymous commentor speak so negatively of?

    And Charlie… are you really seriously telling me that those are the words of Jesus Christ now?

    C’mon – who said those things (other than you)?

    Now – on to your assertion that humility before men is a sin before God… Prove it please. Show some Scriptures which uphold this statement.

    In the meantime – here are some verses which intimate the exact opposite:

    — — —

    ‘Then Jesus called a little child to Him, set him in the midst of them, and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

    Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.’
    – Matt 18:2-4

    ‘So He told a parable to those who were invited, when He noted how they chose the best places, saying to them:

    When you are invited by anyone to a wedding feast, do not sit down in the best place, lest one more honorable than you be invited by him; and he who invited you and him come and say to you, “Give place to this man,” and then you begin with shame to take the lowest place.

    But when you are invited, go and sit down in the lowest place, so that when he that invited you comes he may say to you, “Friend, go up higher.”

    Then you will have glory in the presence of those who sit at the table with you. For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.’
    – Luke 14:7-11

    ‘Therfore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering; bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another; even as Christ forgave you, so you also must do.

    But above all these things put on love (see I John 3:18-21), which is the bond of perfection. And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful.

    Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all your wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.’
    – Colossians 3:8-16

    ‘Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself.

    Let each of you look out not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others.

    Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, Who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.

    And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the Cross.’
    – Philippians 2:3-8

    ‘For to this end we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, Who is the Saviour of all men, especially of those who believe. These things command and teach.’
    – I Timothy 4:10,11

    ‘Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders. Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for

    “God resists the proud,
    But gives grace to the humble.”‘
    – I Peter 5:5

    — — —

    As for your demand that I apologize for my ‘baby/bathwater’ comment…

    We can discuss that further AFTER you finally reply to my questions above.


  150. Ancient Christianity- One Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church January 22, 2010 @ 6:08 am

    Dear Br. Nathanael,

    My prayers are with you.

    May the Lord Jesus Strengthen you in body and Spirit.


  151. The Prodigal Son January 22, 2010 @ 7:27 am


    Hello sir. I hope you are well…

    You said above, “I’m starting to believe there is a concerted effort to finish any Roman Catholic participants here.”

    Not at all ! Quite the contrary… I wish I was better at explaining things – I do try very hard to let everyone know that I love all of you & that’s why I speak of VERY important issues here.

    What are you more interested in being – Roman or Christian? Popelike… or Christlike?

    You said, “I’ve been watching, saddened, how all of the articles are diverted into (doctrinal discussions) that will not have any positive impact in our struggle against the evil ‘Jews’.”

    The fake ‘Jews’ are the ones who have compromised the true Christian faith by ALTERING (why?) Roman Catholic doctrine… and the fake ‘Jews’ now tell ‘Catholics’ what to believe – which is CONTRARY to what the original universal Christian Church believed and taught. (Again – WHY?)

    And if I can make you see that ‘Catholic’ and ‘Christian’ are no longer synonymous… and bring you with me to ‘Come out of her, that you receive not of her plagues’… then I affirm that this WOULD certainly be a positive development.

    And if all of the ‘Catholics’ – who listen to the pope w/out question choose instead to become CHRISTIANS who obey the Word – Jesus Christ w/out question as they have the pope… then all of the hard work the ‘Jews’ have done would be for naught in the end, and the ‘Jews’ will LOSE this struggle!

    What if – JGalindes – the ‘Jew’ introduced heresies in the Romish church really do invalidate apostolic succession? The Sacraments must logically follow, also being completely invalidated because the consecrations have no power…

    Why take the chance? Your loyalties SHOULD lie with Christ – not with Rome and the Satanic fake ‘Jew’ infested Vatican church.

    Stav did not condemn ALL Roman Catholics for the past 2000 yrs… he has admitted that for the first millenium the Church was ONE. But after that, things changed (in the West) where people subjected themselves to the pope and the vatican – INSTEAD of Jesus Christ and His Church.

    — — —

    ‘They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

    (…) Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. And this is the promise that He has promised us – eternal life.

    These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you.’
    – I John 2:20-26

    — — —

    You say you don’t feel a sense of love in Orthodoxy?… Real love is always found where truth is spoken. Truth is SOBERING… and absolute. Either it is – or it isn’t.

    If I didn’t love you JGalindes (which I do) – then I wouldn’t CARE enough to say anything. I put considerable time & effort into writing here specifically BECAUSE of the profound love I have for you all.

    As Scripture reads: Am I become your enemy because I endeavor to tell you the truth? What is love JGalindes?

    — — —

    ‘My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth. And by this we shall assure our hearts before Him.

    For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart and knows all things. Beloved if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God.’
    – I John 3:18-21

    — — —

    So the article is not useless if it helps to bring anyone reading this closer to the truth… and it certainly IS possible for R.C.s to return to Orthodoxy…

    ANYONE may become Orthodox regardless of which faith they came from.

    Where we’re coming from is not important – but where we’re going – IS!

  152. The Prodigal Son January 22, 2010 @ 8:23 am

    Fr. Joseph,

    I must come to the defence of Stav & Michael K. You accuse them of ‘distorting’ your message with ‘convoluted thinking’ and an ‘obtuse spirit.’

    From where I’m standing, both Michael K. & Stav have made reasonable, politely-toned comments to you – addressing specifically one-by-one points made by you, and likewise in a calm manner – have offered both Biblical and (at the same time) logical counter-points.

    Conversely – I see you ignoring the questions addressed to you, as Constantine pointed out… talking AT people, talking down to us – as if we were intellectually challenged children or something and getting ‘hot under the collar’ when people refuse to concede that ‘only Mary can help us’ – which you declare as if it were Gospel (and at the expense of the real Gospel).

    You say you are sorry that you can’t make us understand… WE are sorry we can’t get you to understand !

    But I have seen efforts from M.K. & Stav to TRY to understand – to enter into a conversation w/ you… but you don’t seem interested in a discussion in which you speak WITH us – instead speaking AT us, seemingly speaking more to the larger audience of the RZN readership.

    As Constantine proved after politely asking you 3 times – you refuse to answer even a simple yes/no question asked in true humility.

    Most things people say to you – you simply ignore completely… or somehow or other turn every topic into an excuse to carry on w/ your ‘Fatima crusade’.

    You say over & over that Mary said, ‘Only I can help you.’, but actually it was an APPARITION that supposedly said those words.

    As a matter of fact – MANY of the words you attribute here to either Mary or Jesus… were ACTUALLY spoken by people who CLAIM that Jesus and Mary speak THROUGH them (in what sometimes seems odd & improper language).

    YOU believe that it WAS indeed Mary – speaking from heaven… but WE DO NOT!

    Stav listed one good reason – which you did not address or rebut, but rather ignored.

    Do the Marian apparitions specifically confess that Jesus Christ is God – come in the flesh, giving glory to Him – or not?

    Also – Scripture tells us that Christ is the Alpha and the Omega… and knows the end from the beginning. So IF Mary is the only one who can help us – then why is this all-important revelation NOT foretold in the Bible?

    WHY does Scripture say that under the New Covenant, Jesus THE Christ is our only Salvation and our path to life eternal?

  153. Brother Nathanael January 22, 2010 @ 10:54 am

    Dear Real Zionist News Family & All Readers,

    Yesterday after the horrific incident with the 6 cops on Wednesday in Manhattan Beach/El Segundo – I ended up going on Thursday, yesterday, to the UCLA campus.

    The police came immediately and parked on the side observing me in the median strip in Westwood Village near Wilshire Blvd for a good 20 minutes. They were Hispanics. Then they simply drove off in the pouring rain and left me alone the entire day.

    The response was great even though it was raining extremely hard.

    Most of the students were Asians and some Muslims but the general response from all both in cars and walking traffic wss super positive. One man came up to me and put his arms around me and had a picture taken of us both together by his friend. They both look like Arabs. They were.

    I asked him his name and where he was from. He answered, “My name is Mohammed, I am from Iran.” I asked him if he was a Muslim. He said “yes” and added, “I was reaised as a Muslim but believe that Christianity is Superior to Islam.”

    The cops in Manhattan Beach who were part of the Military/Zionist Terrorist Police Complex were all “White” Americans.

    But the Hispanic cops at Westwood Village at the UCLA campus left me alone. What does this tell us? It TELLS US that the Anti Christ is coming soon since White American cops who SHOULD BE PROTECTING MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS leave it to Hispanic cops who do.

    We MUST prepare ourselves now for the coming of the Anti Christ.

    Those who take medication for “anxiety” must repent of this. They must discontinue this practice and expense and SUBMISSION TO THE JEW ANTI CHRIST MEDICAL ORDER and rely on Christ Whose “peace passes all understanding.”

    The sun is out now and I am heading for another Day Long Street Evangelism Session at UCLA. Please KEEP ME in your prayers.

    I DO APPRECIATE your prayers, but really everyone, I cannot continue this without financial help. OUR site, Real Zionist News COSTS MUCH MONEY TO RUN.

    I can barely make expenses for OUR site this month. That’s how low the numbers of donations have been.

    These Trips COST money. Even though I was hosted – I had to pay for plane fare and a courier service (since I do not have a car) amounting to $500.

    There is a DONATION FEATURE BUTTON on the Top & Bottom of this and every Real Zionist News article. Or simple Click:

    This is a HASSLE FREE, USER FRIENDLY, SECURED, Online Donation Feature.

    Donations May Also Be Safely Sent By Snail Mail To:
    Brother Nathanael Kapner; PO Box 547; Priest River ID; 83856.

    With MUCH LOVE to all!

    +Brother Nathanael

  154. Brother Nathanael January 22, 2010 @ 11:04 am

    Hear Brother Nathanael On This Week’s MICHAEL PIPER SHOW on “Zionazi Police Terrorism Against Brother Nathanael” @

  155. charlie January 22, 2010 @ 1:26 pm

    Br Nathanael those Hispanic cops were Catholics.

    Prodigal Son and Stav believe me when I tell you you are wasting your and everyone elses time and joy with the rants you make against the Catholic church.

    You are what is called zealous for your beliefs but without charity. This is because 99% of what you say does not come from God, but from your own mind. Quoting scripture and your Orthodox priests does not constitute coming from God. You need to be quiet and let God the Holy Spirit speak. Listen to his voice.

    A prayer to invoke God the Holy Spirit; –

    “Come, Holy Spirit, fill the hearts of your faithful and kindle in them the fire of your Love.

    Send forth your spirit and they shall be reborn, and you shall renew the face of the earth.

    Let us pray.

    O God Who did instruct the hearts of Thy faithful people by sending them the light of the Holy Spirit, grant us in the same spirit to discern what is right, and enjoy his comfort forever.
    Through Christ Our Lord.”

  156. jgalindes January 22, 2010 @ 2:38 pm

    Guzmán surname origins:

    While it is quite possible to find a Jewish Guzmán everywhere,the origin of this Spanish surname is Germanic or of Visigoths roots in direct line with king Gundemaro.It meaning is “good man”(Gutman).

    Frías de Albornoz sustains the idea that it comes from a Breton Prince called GUTIMAN.

    Guzmán “el bueno” was an Spanish hero, one of those knights that fought against the Muslins(Moors) to sustain the Sevillian siege, he did not surrender the city even under the the prospect of having his own son murdered by the muslins.

    Apparently the surname was appropriated by the Jews during the Spanish Inquisition.

    Several years ago, certain “experts” asked, to the Spanish Catholic Church, the inclusion of this surname Guzmán as being of Sephardic origins.

  157. KathJuliane January 22, 2010 @ 2:56 pm

    Greetings in the Lord Jesus, Charlie:

    Were the Hispanic cops good ‘Catholics’ or better, simply good ‘Christians’? Actually there is no way of knowing here in America, and so it is a presumptive stereotype, especially for SoCal in this day and age. They could be atheists, Protestants, Muslims or Jews as well as Latino Catholics, or even Orthodox.

    Other than BN identified them as Hispanics, doubtless coming from a long-standing solid Catholic ethnic and cultural background there is no way of knowing that they are professing Roman Catholic Christians, per se.

    According to this survey of 2008, about 25% Hispanic Christians identify themselves as ‘Latino Protestants’

    And there is a growing body of Latino Muslims as well.

    “Although exact numbers are difficult to find, the American Muslim Council, an advocacy group in Washington, estimates that there are 25,000 Hispanic Muslims in the United States. The largest communities are in New York City, Southern California and Chicago — all places that traditionally have had large Hispanic and Muslim populations. All-Spanish mosques have emerged in some of those areas.

    Many of the converts say they are choosing Islam because they feel the religion gives them greater direct contact with God, without saints and a rigid church hierarchy.

    “Some also point to what they see as a closer-knit, smaller community that helps replace the extended family they have lost here in America, as well as a supportive sanctuary to help sort through their sometimes recent immigration. The Latino Muslims are part of a larger trend of American Hispanics leaving the Catholic Church, experts say.”

    Also see:

    “Other Latinos find the church’s historical associations objectionable. Rather than viewing Catholicism as the native religion of their culture, they protest that Catholicism was originally forced on their indigenous ancestors by Europeans. The church’s past involvement in Latin America and the suffering caused by colonization have tarnished its image for many Latinos.

    “Notes Dr. Fathi Osman, resident scholar at the Omar Foundation, an Islamic cultural and educational center, “In their own countries Hispanics did not see the church supporting the rights of the poor. Rather it sided with the rich and the influential. It can be difficult to make a distinction between the church or clergy and the religion itself.” [I think it was this article that also said that about 100,000 American Latinos leave the Catholic Church each year, not all going to Islam per se.]

    Then there is the rising trend of Hispanic Sephardi “crypto-Jews” finding their Jewish roots again in the Americas – ‘Association of Crypto-Jews’ :

    And for your info, Charlie, one of my aunts was a very traditional, faithful and loving Hispanic Catholic Christian with an enormous extended family of her own that I was a part of. After Vatican II, she “excommunicated” Rome for what happened to the ancient Latin liturgies and worship decorum. She reposed in the late ’90’s which is certainly the Lord’s mercy, because the priest scandals that earlier in this decade which struck American Catholicism probably would have killed her, for she loved the Church so much.

    Let me reemphasize that I hold no hostility or hatred against Christians who are professing Catholics as well, because I have met in my life many good Protestants and Catholics who are much better Christians than I. (And for that matter, some Muslims as well.)

    Peace in Christ,

    IC XC
    NI KA

  158. Fr. Joseph January 22, 2010 @ 3:17 pm

    Prodigal Son,

    Constantine and Stav are prefectly capable of THINKING and SPEAKING for themselves.

    And you yourself have some very serious problems with respect to the Christian Faith and the Divine Commission and Nature of the Church.

    The Orthodox Church DOES believe in ‘Supernatural Manifestations’:

    Marian Apparitions have appeared to the Orthodox:

    The Sacraments of the Catholic Church are valid. Christ Himself shows the entire World they are valid. You and everyone else are prefectly capable of doing your own Internet research on ‘Eucharistic Miracles’.

    And you can utterly DROP your ‘bible-fundamentalist’ mentality and outlook on and with Catholic Church by reading this:

    If you REFUSE to open your eyes and THINK, then I can’t help you from walking off cliffs.

    – Fr. Joseph

  159. The Prodigal Son January 22, 2010 @ 3:31 pm


    I see that you too would rather speak AT me – rather than speak with me.

    Your ad hominem deflection leaves you naked. You’re only interested in trying to shut me up!

    Answer my questions. Or don’t speak AT me anymore… O.K.?


    — — —

    Fr. Joseph,

    Your description of the Catholic method of administering the Eucharist does not sound consistant with the Sacrament which was instituted for the Church by Christ.

    Jesus told us to recieve the bread AND the wine.

    He specifically said, ‘This (bread) is My body… This (wine) is my blood.’

    He DID NOT say, ‘Take this bread and break it over the wine, and then eat the bread only.’…

    He said:

    ‘”Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me.

    In the same manner He ALSO took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood.

    THIS DO, as often as you DRINK it, in remembrance of Me.”‘
    – I Corinthians 11:23-25

    Just another example of how the vatican has CHANGED the traditions which we were entreated to hold dear and stay true to.

    I ask anyone – WHY in the world would they ever change ANYTHING ? It doesn’t make sense UNLESS there are ulterior motives, in my mind.

  160. Fr. Joseph January 22, 2010 @ 3:55 pm

    Prodigal Son,

    Since when did God give you the Authority as to whether something of His is “true” or “false” on account of it “not SOUNDING good” to you?

    When were YOU elevated into the Hierachy of His Church? When did God make you the Overlording Teacher and Overseer OVER His Own Bishops of His Church?

    And THAT goes the SAME for Stav, KathJuliane and ALL the rest here who have their own personal “pick & choose, accept or reject” CRITERIA for what Christ Jesus HIMSELF deems True, Valid, Authenic and Necessary in His Own Church!

    If you want to SHUT YOUR EYES SHUT, cover your ears with your hands TIGHT while stomping around ‘It’s NOT true! I will NOT believe!” – then YOU tell ME what I am supposed to do about that?

    Eucharistic Miracles (which might not ‘LOOK good’ to you)

    On-line videos on the Catholic Church’s Eucharistic Miracles (which might not ‘LOOK good’ to you as well)

    You can spend your time DENOUNCING the Catholic Church here via the Internet on RZN, or you can use that same WASTED TIME doing reseach in order TO LEARN as well as TO CONFIRM to you the Teachings of the Catholic Church!

    – Fr. Joseph

  161. Fr. Joseph January 22, 2010 @ 4:30 pm

    Prodigal Son,

    I’m going to be ‘right up front’ to you in front of the 870,000 monthly RZN readers who come to visit and read Br. Nathanael’s website.

    I’m going ‘TO USE YOU’ and every last thing you bring up against Christ and His Church and His Teachings that come to us via THE BISHOPS He has called to both LEAD the Church as well as TO TEACH the peoples of our satanically mortally wounded WORLD in order TO EDUCATE every last person Br. Nathanael brings to and introduces to our Lord JESUS CHRIST via his deep personal sacrifices arising from his Street Evangelism efforts.

    Br. Nathanael brings both THE MEMORY OF and the LOVE OF CHRIST JESUS to peoples in our World – in this blatantly Chirst Jesus REJECTING United States of America.

    And I, for my part, will do everything in my “power” via my Priestly ordination into the Church’s Monastic Brotherhood to bring those same people to the Divine Truths that our SAME Lord, Jesus Christ, Personally Desires for ALL OF THEM to come to know, understand, accept, embrace and make part and parcel of their daily lives 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, month after month, year after year UNTIL He comes back to our Earth IN DIVINE GLORY in order to bring ALL OF US suffering and miserable people of His Own HIS KINGDOM of Love, Peace and Plenty.

    So “fire away” – I need YOU and your input in order TO TEACH others.

    – Fr. Joseph

  162. Michael K. January 22, 2010 @ 4:34 pm

    Dear RZN Christians,

    I think we have lost some important common ground here as regards the sacraments of Communion. It was not long ago that we had reached an understanding about the sacraments about which we now seem to be suffering collective amnesia :

    As I recall, and remembering that I am farmer and not theologian, we had come to see it as self-evident that God bestows by GRACE his divine presence in the sacraments, and that there is no one particular ritual which COMPELS God to do so, and to suggest so is blasphemous.

    Hence, whether the sacraments are grape juice and Ritz crackers in a micro-Protestant sect, or prepared according to Orthodox tradition, it is not WE who make the presence of the divine occur by our works, but it is BESTOWED by God’s GRACE, IF and WHEN God sees fit according to his own will. The same applies to all sacraments.

    All presumption to the contrary is therefore filled with error, and any reasoning person ought to be able to tell as much. ‘You have to get the spell right’ is for Harry Potter, not for Christians.

    My choice of Orthodoxy does not make legalism dear to me, nor is legalism Christianity, but Judaism in spirit. This much St. Paul seems to make clear. Let us get out of ‘the traditions of men’, which are endless in their claims each to have the ‘spell right’.

    Rather I honor Orthodoxy as doing it ‘the way it was always done’, although the standardization of the ritual could logically only have come about somewhat late in the story, after the seven Ecumenical Councils, which is still of the ‘traditions of men’, if you ask me.

    The eucharist becomes divine when a congregation prays and God, seeing the secret parts of all their hearts and being moved out of LOVE and MERCY by what is revealed gives out His GRACE. Of course, it helps to know what you are asking for and of Whom you are asking it, but only He knows whether he put Himself in there, even if you got the whole ritual down pat, or so it seems to me by and through Scripture and reason.

    The Peace of Christ be with You.

  163. Fr. Joseph January 22, 2010 @ 4:44 pm

    Prodigal Son,

    So we BEGIN!

    Since you and “everybody else you know of” DON’T believe in the Fatima Apparitions and Divine Messages-Instructions eminating from the Mother of God’s DIVINE WISDOM – this is for EVERYONE ELSE all across our current satanically MORTALLY-WOUNDED World of ours, the year now being 2010 A.D. “and counting”:


    Meant for everyone else BUT ‘Prodigal Son’ who does NOT BELIEVE the Mother of God’s SON has Full and Total Authority over BOTH His Own Church and All of Mankind

    – Fr. Joseph

  164. The Prodigal Son January 22, 2010 @ 4:55 pm

    Fr. Joseph,

    More AD HOMINEM responses I am not interested in anymore…

    You did not rebut one thing I said… you only try to layer other things OVER what I had said.

    Oh well, at least I TRY.

    If I have inadvertently offended anyone, I apologize… but if I’m wrong – then don’t get upset. Just prove me wrong.

    You sound a lot like ‘Jews’ who call other ‘Jews’, “Self-hating” after they have abandoned ‘Jewry’…

    Since I was Baptized into Roman Catholicism – I guess according to you, I am a self-hating Catholic !

  165. Gregory Laux January 22, 2010 @ 5:06 pm

    Fr. Joseph, you are correct on the fatima apparitions. The smoke of satan has entered into the leadership of the Catholic church around the world in order to destroy the church from within the churches.

    It was done collectively in the 1920’s and 30’s with a bold move being taken with Vatican II to change the gospel message into one of paganism.

    The gospel of an easy means to getting to heaven is that of the devil.

    The gospel of God’s love taking care of when souls didn’t feel like being loving is that of the devil.

    The gospel that one no longer has to reconcile with others when you do things to harm them is that of the devil.

    The gospel that the priests were going to follow the will of God in the last days so the faithful should continue to follow what the priests say is that of the devil.

    We are sick and tired of being lied to by people claiming to have vocations to serve God and humanity in a faithful and moral life.

    Many have been ruined by remaining faithful to what priests have been preaching, they have lost their earthly money, their bodily health, their hope for ever being treated justly and fair in this world. And the pastors who preached the ear tickling gospel are to blame for it.

    “Will there be faith left on the earth when Christ returns?”

    The answer from examining the excuses of leaders in the church for the moral tragedy in our world often is “YES” to that question.

    The answer from reading the teachings of Jesus Christ and taking an honest look at what many church leaders are doing, makes one have to say “NO” to that question.

    When those who have given their lives to supposedly serving God, and yet you see them serving mammon instead, one has to begin confronting those in the church leadership who live contrary to the gospels.

    Modern Catholic priests offer forgiveness to people who haven’t forgiven others, when God’s word says it isn’t your business to change His will and standards.

    If the leaders in the church would have preached about the truth of God and His demands of justice over the last 40 plus years, the world would look much better and people would be far more loving towards one another. But since excuses were made for people who wanted to stroke their pride and ego and sin anyways, then the sin only increased and “good people finished last” in the world.

    God wants a world in which His will is done, period! So that means the leaders in the Catholic church have gotten it totally incorrect as to what God’s will is for humanity.

    It is time to begin cleaning house by demanding some top leaders in the Catholic church throughout the world resign from the priesthood and go into the secular life, since that is how they have been living anyways. It is time that the canon law of excommunication be fully applied to these leaders who have created grave scandals in the church due to their desire to be popular, wealthy, happy, etc…

    The last days was described as a time when the cleaning was to first begin in the churches that went astray and into apostasy. It is time for the confrontation and exposure of the grave sins of the church leaders be done.

  166. Fr. Joseph January 22, 2010 @ 5:48 pm

    It’s about DARN TIME to start bringing ‘THE CATHOLIC MIND’ aided, guided and assisted by the Graces and Spiritual Gifts of GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT to this Christ-rejecting Judiazed Talmudic Kabbalah-Zohar Gnosticized Neo-Pagan Esotericized Materialistic, Hedonistic, Nihilistic, Naturalistic Hubris-Avarice-Envious-Jealous-Gluttonous-Slothful and WRATHFUL filled and dominated WORLD of ours, the year now being 2010 AFTER THE BIRTH OF CHRIST JESUS World.

    “Come, Holy Spirit, come by means of the Powerful Intercession of the Immaculately Loving Heart of the Blessed Virgin Mary, the WOMAN of Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12:17, the Most Holy Theotokos, the Ark of God’s Covenant with ALL of Mankind – Your Most Beloved Spouse. Amen.”

    – Fr. Joseph

  167. Brother Nathanael January 22, 2010 @ 6:06 pm

    Hi Everybody –

    I am now back from a full afternoon of HEAVY RAINS down at the UCLA campus at Wilshire Blvd and Westwood Village.

    First of all, the Hispanic-dominated police force at the UCLA Westwood Village area, completely left me alone on THE MAJOR INTERSECTION of the campus.

    My experience with Hispanics after 4 years on the Street, is that MOST OF THEM have a deep REVERENCE for the Holy Cross. (I am FULLY AWARE of the Catholic Churchs’ influence of Hispanic culture.)

    I could have a major Mexican criminal in front of me, who when he sees the Holy Cross, simply melts.

    But the “White American” cops on Wednesday, ordered me to PUT DOWN THE CROSS, threatening to “confiscate” it, for my “wielding a weapon” and “attempting to assault” one of the cops with it. LIARS. ( Hear Brother Nathanael On This Week’s MICHAEL PIPER SHOW on “Zionazi Police Terrorism Against Brother Nathanael” @ )

    I get a HUGE POSITIVE response from MOST Hispanics on the street, and many yell out, “I LOVE YOU!” when I am out doing my Street Evangelism.

    A woman came up to me while on the UCLA campus’ Median Strip and kissed my hand and then kissed the Cross. Many Hispanics do this all the time while I am out doing Street Evangelism. I remember one Hispanic bus driver, getting on his loud speaker which broadcasts outside of the bus as well as inside, announcing, “There is as Servant of Jesus Christ. Only Christ Is The Way of Salvation.”

    When I was in San Francisco 3 years ago, ALL of the Hispanic Bus Drivers let me ride for free.

    Also, my HOSTS this week in LA are DEVOUT ROMAN CATHOLICS. The husband is orignally from the Czech Republic and his wife is Hispanic from Columbia. My Atanta hosts were also devout Roman Catholics. Many of my contributers are also Roman Catholics, although Christiand from all of Christendom: Orthodox Christians, Protestants, Presbyterians, Baptist, Evangelical, Lutherans, etc. DO CONTRIBUTE. (These are the faithful “few” and some new donators who help KEEP This Site OnLine and Brother Nathanael, On The Streets.

    On another note:

    Many today came up to me saying “thank you” and adding, “You are doing a very needed service.”

    A man and his wife, professionals who work together in Westwood Village as orthodontists, came up to me, thanked me for my work and testimony, amd bought me a coffee at Starbucks.

    Many of the students, (some Asian, some white, some European,) wanted to take pictures of me with them as well, EVEN THOUGH it was POURING DOWN rain.


    Hardly anyone is donating for OUR site, Real Zionist News, and for my Street Evangelism. This is very discouraging, and worrisome as well, as I can barely even pay for OUR site this month. A HUGE Bill just came in for RZN expenses and a HUGE BILL for my recent Street Evangelism in NYC and of air fare for this LA Trip and next week’s Boston Street Evangelism Trip.

    Will you please consider helping me out? (If it wasn’t for the same “few” and some new contributers that help once in a while – I would’ve had to shut down OUR site, Real Zionist News, a long time ago.)

    There is a DONATION FEATURE BUTTON on the Top & Bottom of this and every Real Zionist News article. Or simple Click:

    This is a HASSLE FREE, USER FRIENDLY, SECURED, Online Donation Feature.

    Donations May Also Be Safely Sent By Snail Mail To:

    Brother Nathanael Kapner; PO Box 547; Priest River ID; 83856.

    Love You All!

    Your +Brother In Christ, Nathanael

  168. KathJuliane January 22, 2010 @ 7:30 pm

    Outstanding work in our Lord Jesus Christ raising the Glorious Cross, dear Brother Nathanael!

    “Only Christ Is The Way of Salvation!” Amen and Amen!

    Greetings in the Lord Jesus, Fr. Joseph,

    Thank you for you replies.

    Now I have a better picture of where you are coming from within the confusing and constantly changing realm of independent Old Catholic congregations derived from Utrecht and England here ranging from very traditional pre-Vatican I Catholic churches whose bishops historically and staunchly adhered to the concillar and collegial dogmas and patristic consciousness of the “pre-1054” Church.

    Your congregation from what I have read is independent but “in spiritual communion” with Rome and accepts some elements of Vatican I and other Latin councils, like Trent, including the dogmas of papal infallibility and the immaculate conception as well as being papally oriented, even though not in full canonical communion with Rome (the best I can interpret the documents on the site), and even though the Old Catholic movement was originally anti-papal, yours is apparently a later development while still carrying the Utrecht succession of bishops, itself a rather complicated situation to sort through.

    I understand the unique historical situation of the See of Utrecht in relation to Rome, but it is still not clear to me, however, if after the papal restoration of the Roman Catholic Episcopal Hierarchy to the See of Utrecht in 1853 if your community, even though autocephalous here in America, is under the actual jurisdiction of the See of Utrecht itself, or else follows the historical Old Catholic pattern.

    Here in America, some of the bishops of the Orthodox missions in the late 19th c. historical context formed friendships with the immigrant Utrecht Old Catholic and Anglo-Catholic churches which were then well thought of for their faithful adherence to the Faith of the first millenium as “near-Orthodox’ in some personal opinions of the time.

    At that time, the Dutch, Swiss, and German Catholics in opposition to Vatican I, along with their centuries long history of resisting papal encroachments and defending the concillar and collegial nature of the Local Churches and the Seven Ecumenical Synods staunchly adhered to 7th c. St. Vincent of Lerins in his saying: “We must hold fast to that faith which has been believed everywhere, always, and by all the Faithful.”

    Sadly, there are now a proliferation of ‘Liberal Old Catholics’, the ‘GLBT Old Catholics’ and ‘Gnostic Theosophical Old Catholics’ and the ‘Feminist Old Catholics’ added to the venerable, conservative long-standing traditional Old Catholic communities here.

    Particularly appreciated this: “NAORC also admits the Holy Scripture according to that sense which our holy mother the Church has held, and does hold, to which it belongs to judge of the true sense and interpretations of the Scriptures. Neither will the NAORC ever take and interpret them otherwise than according to the unanimous consent of the Fathers (early [patristic and concillar] writers of the first 800 years of the Church).”

    However, there seems to be something contradictory again concerning the adoption of the dogma of papal supremacy and infallibility especially since these things did not arise until the full establishment of the papal monarchy about the 10th-11th centuries, and of course papal infallibility in the 19th of which the Old Catholics were originally in resistance to at Vatican I.

    Again, thank you for your clarifying response on the Carmelite question, which from the site is seems to be oriented more towards an ordered social service and religious life in the world for the ordinary person. Having read St. Theresa some decades ago, I couldn’t quite figure out one could be a Carmelite monastic with its classically spiritual rigorous discipline of contemplation, silence and visioning under a spiritual guide and still be out in the world and using martial war images and such.

    Peace in Christ,

    IC XC
    NI KA

  169. charlie January 22, 2010 @ 7:37 pm

    Prodigal son I accept your apology.

    I am sorry that you have not been able to find God in the Catholic Church but since you are not now in the catholic church please don’t assume the rights and perogatives of the Inquisition.

    I know you will find God very soon if you have not already. X

    Talking with you now I understand where you are coming from. God has not given me a word for you, but I know He is moving you in a direction that is His, which will lead you to a greater understanding of spiritual things, unless we can find love from others it is impossible to give love.

    This is the essence of Christ’s Cross and its simple message…..despite your separation from me I love you, see, my wounds, they are there to hide you, feel my pulse.

    Freedom is the cloak with which I have clothed you, as your God, but as the Father waits for you to return to Him, I too beat with a longing for you….that is the pulse I have invited you to feel.

    Know that I am massacred in heart as well as my physical sufferings because I am treated this way by the very people whom I, as their supreme God, have created from love, have made in my own image and likeness.

    My child I am real, not just as an idea or a creed, a way of life; but I am a person and yes child, my precious soul I aim to reveal Myself to you….

  170. KathJuliane January 22, 2010 @ 9:24 pm

    Dear Prodigal Son,

    “And you can utterly DROP your ‘bible-fundamentalist’ mentality and outlook on and with Catholic Church…”

    Here, hon, let me add some more salt.

    Someone you should get acquainted with as an Orthodox Father and his writings, the “arch-bible fundamentalist” Bishop of Rome – St. Leo the Great, 5th c. dogmatic theologian and defender of the Faith, and Sacred Scripture and Tradition coursed through his veins.

    As an old Irish friend of mine once might have said, “Here is a bishop who can “bish”.

    Setting aside our modern biases and conceptions for a moment concerning “papism”, which didn’t exist in St. Leo’s time, this tireless saint labored greatly for the ‘Catholic Church of the Orthodox Faith” of the land of Romania of the East and West, and it is very clear from his writings that Leo was thoroughly a concillar Archbishop of Rome, and man of great humility and yet “tough love”. He wasn’t politically correct, either.

    Excerpt from his famous “Tome”:

    “…from which it is shown that Eutyches, who used to seem worthy of all respect in virtue of his priestly office, is very unwary and exceedingly ignorant, so that it is even of him that the prophet has said: “he refused to understand so as to do well: he thought upon iniquity in his bed.

    “But what more iniquitous than to hold blasphemous opinions, and not to give way to those who are wiser and more learned than ourself.

    “Now into this unwisdom fall they who, finding themselves hindered from knowing the truth by some obscurity, have recourse not to the prophets’ utterances, not to the Apostles’ letters, nor to the injunctions of the Gospel but to their own selves: and thus they stand out as masters of error because they were never disciples of truth.

    “For what learning has he acquired about the pages of the New and Old Testament, who has not even grasped the rudiments of the Creed? And that which, throughout the world, is professed by the mouth of every one who is to be born again is not yet taken in by the heart of this old man….”



    O Champion of Orthodoxy, and teacher of holiness,
    The enlightenment of the universe and the inspired glory of true believers.
    O most wise Father Leo, your teachings are as music of the Holy Spirit for us!
    Pray that Christ our God may save our souls!

    O glorious Leo, when you rose to the Bishop’s throne,
    You shut the lions’ mouths with the true doctrine of the Holy Trinity:
    You enlightened your flock with the knowledge of God.
    Therefore you are glorified, O seer of things divine!

    [Oh holy Leo, pray to Christ our God for us here in the West, and hasten to help us with our sorrowful disorders in the Church we beseech thee. Amen.]

    Peace in Christ,

    IC XC
    NI KA

  171. Montsegur January 23, 2010 @ 7:05 am

    You know, Brother Nathanael, the thing that amuses me – when it comes to the dialogue between Christians and Jews – is that all of it is centered around the New Testament and how “antisemitic” that literature is, but never ever any mention is made about the much larger bulk of writings known as the Talmud.

    After all both the Talmud and the New Testament were written by Jewish authors (in case of the NT – predominantly by Jews; in case of the Talmud – exclusively by Jews.) This fact alone gives one a glimpse of the nature of that “dialogue”. But of course it is not everything.

    We have “Days of Judaism” celebrated in the Catholic Church every now and again. But I have never heard of any “Days of Catholicism” or “days of Christianity” celebrated in synagogues.

    From Poland I remember (it was in the era of the Peoples’ Republic of Poland, still in the 1970’s and 1980’s) yearly festivals (or “Days”) of Russian and Soviet Culture or of Soviet Film. We had an Association for Polish-Soviet Friendship. It was all not much more than a “one way road” (i.e. pro-Soviet), but at least they, in the USSR also had Days of Polish Culture, Days of Polish Film and an Association for Soviet-Polish Friendship. So at least there was a sort of “reciprocity” on their (i.e. Soviet) part.

    But tell me – both you, Brother Nathanael and you, Dr E.M. Jones – whether you know of any formal reciprocity on the Jewish part in the so much over-advertized and over-publicized dialogue between our churches and the synagogues?


  172. Michael K. January 23, 2010 @ 7:34 am

    Dear Brother Nathanael,

    Your words have been haunting me and making me think about the things I have learned:

    “The cops in Manhattan Beach who were part of the Military/Zionist Terrorist Police Complex were all “White” Americans.

    “But the Hispanic cops at Westwood Village at the UCLA campus left me alone. What does this tell us? It TELLS US that the Anti Christ is coming soon since White American cops who SHOULD BE PROTECTING MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS leave it to Hispanic cops who do.

    “We MUST prepare ourselves now for the coming of the Anti Christ.”

    I see pieces of the puzzle forming shapes in my vision and I feel compelled to make a few reflections on what I see based on you comment.

    WARNING: This is why Catholics have been, are and will be hated and persecuted in America.

    Thesis statement: The Anti-Christ system is a White Jewish-Masonic fascist cult. It is called various things, but I call it “British Israel Zionism”. It falsely calls itself Protestant, but is presumes the supreme authority of both Christianity and the carnal World, fusing the two into one FrankenChrist. This system intends to gain victory over the nations of the Earth in WW III, and plans to create a universal White Anglo Republic.

    It is the perversion of Protest against Papal error into Talmudic rebellion against true moral order, aided and promoted by Jews by and through England and America which has led to this peculiar fusion.

    Jewish life may possibly be expended or exterminated in the ruse that America and the Anglo-imperial system is being “cleansed” in order that it may be righteous enough to reign over the whole earth.

    This would serve to homeopathically seat the Judaism on the spiritual level instead of on the emotional and intellectual level where it now sits in the Anglosphere while the Jews still occupy positions of power on the physical level.

    Thus making it invisible and impossible to name and yet infusing everything with a Jewish legalistic spirit which in the utter absence of ethnic Jews will be called Christian, and the Anti-Christ will be called Christ.

    The writer and political blogger Paul Drockton of Dead Man Musings recently published the supernatural visions attributed to George Washington and General McLellan. I think these stories hold the apocryphal keys to understanding how the deception works:

    Notice that these visions communicate a future scenario in which “angelic” forces from the sky help America to prevail against its foes in WWIII, which then leads to a universal victorious American republic spanning the entire globe. The world is then supposedly governed under “increasing goodness” and never sees the Apocalypse of St. John of Patmos come to pass.

    I will not go into tremendous detail at this time, but suffice it to say I see how this storyline being carried out would at once fulfill the Luciferic plans for a White run universal republic controlling the entire earth, supposedly good. And at the same time bring complete ruination upon Catholics who continue to obstinately believe in the validity of the Revelations as they literally warn of this.

    Hence Catholics are the obstacle to the completion of this plan because they will insist upon an interpretation of Scripture which will be a kill-joy and be deemed un-patriotic and even Satanic by the vast majority swept up in the utter emotional rush of fighting and winning WW III with the assistance of God’s own angels, who help usher in an era of supposed goodness and glory.

    I hope and pray that I am wrong, but I am compelled by reason to accept the facts as they appear to dictate the meaning of what I am witnessing.

    Go to Salt Lake City.

  173. solobiblia January 23, 2010 @ 9:15 am

    Hello my dear brothers in Christ.

    I’m Spanish and I live in Portugal. Although I neither speak nor write English, you read it with great care and in most cases you agree to international Zionism, rules the world. Especially in the western world (because I do not have enough information to say that commands worldwide) Churches are generally infiltrated by international Jewry.

    The Catholic church is not only infiltrated by Zionists, but that is a major stronghold for the New World Order.

    THE TRUTH ABOUT MAFIA DEI.UNA OPUS economists who dominate BANKING

    He speaks and has spoken a lot about the organization called Opus Dei, but very few people have a deep understanding about the true nature and modus operandi of this group. For this present then the fundamental features that characterize this group, although defined as a Catholic, is but an infiltration within the Catholic Church, agents of destabilization caused by both internal and external.

    The founder of Opus Dei, a character extremely arrogant, authoritarian and ambitious, was not named Josemaria Escriva de Balaguer, as he claimed, but Jose Maria Escriba, with the “De Balaguer” added later. This is stated in item baptismal Barbastro and up to 15 years not started signing as Escrivá. The name, is clearly of marrano origin or crypto-Jew, and also his father (a hustler by the way) was in Barbastro a cloth merchant, trade rife among the Jews of the area.

    Jewish Signs are detected in the WORK, would the pink tb sign used by the Masons, but mainly in Hebrew Kabbalah, the drawing of geese (this is a further sign that tight Jew in itself), the black cross without the figure of Christ (very symptomatic, because most venerated the sign of martyrdom of Christ Jesus himself) that they always used.

    The olive, which is another clear sign of cabalistic resonance, symbolizing the power of the Jews (in here the OPUS), which would be the extracted oil-exercise thereof on other peoples because the oil as they are always above the “strange coincidence” that the Camino (intellectually lazy) is composed by 999 Maximums (neither more nor less), taking into account that 9 as a multiple of 3 (three times three) is of great importance in Kabbalah, and that number is 666 backwards read the number of the Antichrist, the same figure of cash, and the fact that members call each other by numbers, not names.

    To this we must add another curious detail, like the plant of the chapel in Madrid OPUS located at Diego de León, is elliptical, something that caught the attention of the Vatican in the years ’40s.

    If we add that the structure of OPUS is very similar to the Jewish Kahal (were and are the bodies secretly governing Jewish communities), because the rule of secrecy, betrayal is encouraged through the figure of “confidential” spiritual director (parnasim key figures of the Jewish Kahal), espionage outside the community, and the detailed and totalitarian control of the lives of its members (especially the Fellows) who even to read a book have to ask permission of the spiritual director, or the techniques of infiltration in the upper layers of society, it is clear that OPUS has much in common with Freemasonry and Jewish society as pathological talmúdica.

    Inclusive practices as the use of sackcloth, or other instruments mortification of the flesh, like kissing the ground when standing up, has Jewish resonances according to them because “they spiritually are about the wailing wall.” In fact, Escriva was investigated in 1941 by the court for the suppression of Freemasonry and Judaism, and in Spain at the time always a rumor of his Jewish connection masónica.

    Include OPUS official name as listed in the register, it makes things quite clear: Priestly Society of the Holy Cross and Opus Dei. How the same Jewish historian Cecil Roth says, “From the holy cross is an expression resonances clearly Jewish, as the crypto-Jews called “Church of the Holy Cross” a synagogue that had been, or still being used illegally as well.

    This also could be coincidence, but if we add to the others, are already too, I think even RUMASA symbol, the bee inside the hexagon is a cabalistic symbol that graphically represents the name of Deborah. (Incidentally, that years after his shameful persecution by the government’s socio – ready, Ruiz Mateos declared in Time magazine in 1989, which had been threatened by the Work).

    Not opusinos remember that principles such as “blind obedience” or “Holy coercion” are very specific to the Kahal, or of masonería. Also, the symbol of the donkey, who both liked to Escrivá, if we refer to Evola, has clear black resonance, it was the animal of Kali. (It is also true that Jesus sat on him, but also in the Talmud refers to himself as cursed animal).

    Most ominous, is undoubtedly the departure of families who are subjected Fellows, or the problems that are out of work, which in many cases mean a real civil death. (Including, in other countries, as USA, there were cases of “strange deaths”).

    They have enormous power, like the Masons, and thus, to quote Leo XIII in his encyclical against Freemasonry” Humanum Genus “,” unmask is overcome them “, although given its infiltration into layers of power, and political parties, also in the PSOE, not only in the PP, I see is very complicated.

    I am sure that some of its activities would be prosecuted criminally (fraud, coercion, threats …), but frankly, I see power in the Vatican as the difficulty. It is mainly monetary. When issues were short of money there, the OPUS is savior. Woytila tb ofració as much guilt had given them wings. (I Pope liked it, but the things that went wrong, tb have to be said.)

    And it is worth recalling that until a few years ago, the principal adviser to the OPUS was a converted Jew banker with excellent relations with the Vatican and Woytila called Nogara Bernardino, his chief treasurer, as the American Jewish Rosenblatt, or the excellent connections in the financial world is OBRA.

    It is quite curious that the “Pater” had been recognized within the different categories of Opus Deístas’s (along with those of cash, temporary and added) of the “socio-cooperative” by which a non-Christian, and even an atheist, is working with the Work, is curious because an organization as fanatic for some practices (mainly formal, as happens in the Talmud), is on the other side as close ties with people outside the church, though of course this generates huge profits.

    Luis Carandell already described the worship of golden calf that Don Jose Maria and his followers practiced, albeit self-righteous hypocrite and be confessed “poor”. As an example of the “humility” voiced but not practiced by Don Jose Maria, we recall the eagerness with which he claimed a title that is supposed to correspond (in fact not based on nothing).

    Finally, thanks to his contacts and influence, he obtained the title Marqués de Peralta, title this so ironic that the brother concerned with Escrivá’s phrase “The Marquis de Peralta, is a ****** so high.” Carandell also wrote and circulated a lot in the 60’s that phrase that OPUS was run by a writ to the EU remained thousands of Pharisees – that same “white masonry” that spoke Girón De Velasco.

    May the Eternal bless us all.

  174. Fr. Joseph January 23, 2010 @ 9:18 am

    Prodigal Son,

    This is for you – something God the Holy Spirit share with me last night at work to share with. The previous night, He gave me what I might be able to say to KathJuliane regarding her compulsive obsession with “pedigree” and “credentials” and straining away seeking the splinters in the eyes those of the Catholic Church with a STERN reminder to her about WHO DOES SHE think is “in Charge” of the Church here on earth, but I think I’ll pass that opportunity for now.

    Prodigal Son – regarding you telling me of your receiving the Christian Sacrament of BAPTISM in the Roman Catholic Church in view of your public behavior, attitude, statements, assertions, etc. here on RZN:

    Maybe you have received a DRIVER’S LICENSE from the State or Country in which you now live. What do you think how you’d be treated by your local POLICE if you take your car and your ‘Driver’s License’ and proceed to drive down SIDEWALKS mowing down walking pedestrians, then deliberately side-swiping parked cars AND THEN turn your vehicle INTO on-coming traffic? Are you going to “flash” the POLICE your ‘Driver’s License’ in attempt that you have some ‘God-given RIGHT’ bestowed upon you by ‘The State’ T0 DRIVE any old way you so choose or desire?

    Maybe you have a LICENSE hanging on your wall to be a PHARMACIST. Does that Pharmacist’s License you received years and years ago when you graduated from College or the University grant you ‘LICENSE’ to dole out encapsulated RAT POISON out to people in your city, state, nation or the World at large? When the POLICE come to arrest you for MURDER, for MANSLAUGHTER, what you are going to do? Show them your ‘PHARMACIST’S LICENSE’ telling them you are PERMITTED to dole out rat poison to people at that you are IMMUNE from any sort of response or reaction by others?

    Maybe you have a PERMIT to own a whole slew of HUNTING RIFLES and a large assortment of hand guns. And maybe you have obtained a HUNTING LICENSE from your State. What do you think that the POLICE are going to do TO and WITH you if you take your highpowered ‘deer’ hunting hi-powered scoped RIFLES and start SNIPING PEOPLE in their homes and while driving their cars on the ‘Internet’ HIGHWAY? What are you going to do when the POLICE bust your face against the floor of your house, drop TWO KNEES on our backbone, wrench both of your arms behind your back tying them into a KNOT while slapping handcuffs on your wrists, arrest you and take you away to JAIL and slapping CRIMINAL CHARGES against you?

    What are you going to do?

    Show them your GUN PERMITS and your HUNTING LICENSE?

    Denying something, ANYTHING which is true, real and factual DOES NOT make one more ‘intelligent’, DOES NOT make one more ‘knowledgeable’ and it DOES NOT make one more ‘wiser’.

    The Church’s Sacraments are there to grant Divine Grace into the people’s MINDS and HEARTS and SOULS and SPIRITS so as to obtain the Divine Assistance in RISING ABOVE the superficial social SILLINESS that passes itself off as ‘Natural Human Conduct’.

    The Sacraments of the Church are there so as TO ASSIST ONE TO ‘DIE TO THIS SUPERFICIAL SOCIALLY SILLY WORLD’ in order that we might Rise to New Life in CHRIST JESUS.

    By BAPTISM, as St. Paul the Apostle teaches, you JOIN CHRIST in HIS DEATH from this World in order to RISE TO NEW LIFE!

    Now you can take your Baptismal certificate from the HERETICAL-APOSTATE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH as KathJuliane proclaims with HER spiritual Divine Charism of ‘Papal Infallibility’ an go down to your local ROMAN Catholic Church parish – show the resident Diocescan Priest that BAPTISMAL certificate – tell that Priest EVERYTHING you have ever said against the Lord’s Church and her Mission-Ministry to our satanically mortally wounded WORLD of 2010 Anno Dominin – and reverently ASK that Catholic Priest if he would hear your personal CONFESSION – and could he administer the Divine Grace of ABSOLUTION.

    – Fr. Joseph

  175. Fr. Joseph January 23, 2010 @ 9:30 am


    Since you LOVE this sort of stuff, being the self-appointed T.S.A. luggage inspector rumaging through everyone’s personal suitcases checking for stains on everyone’s underwear while shoving your nose HARD against the body-scanner screens, here is some more ‘CHIEF INSPECTOR OF EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING UNDER GOD’S SUN’ work you can busy yourself with for the next week or so.

    Dig up all the dirt you want on these other Catholic-related dealings of mine

    1) The Legion of Mary
    2) The Fatima Center & Fr. Gruner
    3) Marian Movement of Priests and Fr. Gobbi
    4) Tell us all about the invalid Masses of the MELKITE Catholic Church
    5) Tell us all about the invalid Sacraments of the BYZANTINE Catholic Church
    6) Tell us all about the heresies of the homilies of one Fr. Luke and his Benedictine Order I get to hear from time to time

    Com’on WOMAN – there are lots and lots of OTHER PEOPLE behind me, standing in line, having to undergo YOUR ‘T.S.A.’ baggage inspections and full body scans!

    Hurry up! Lots and lots MORE people behind me. You have LOTS and LOTS more work to do.

    – Fr. Joseph

  176. Fr. Joseph January 23, 2010 @ 10:27 am


    So you want to DISCREDIT and bring SHAME upon MY Bishop, eh?

    I’ll have you know that I’m “under HIS omophorion” and NOT your “skirt”!

    Maybe you don’t know what an ‘OMOPHOR’ is, or maybe you’ve FORGOTTEN. For your information:


    If you THRIVE on, if you LIVE for ‘stripping others’ in order to shame them IN PUBLIC with the ‘nakedness’ that YOU expose to the rest of the world to see, then you make on GREAT ‘T.S.A. Chief Inspector’ here on RZN, deciding who gets to board and who is turned away from Christ Jesus.

    So here is some additional information for YOU to know about the MOTHER OF JESUS and her Divine Son, the Christ Child born to her by the Divine Power of God the Holy Spirit.

    From ‘ancient’ Church traditions passed on down amongst the Faithful, when JESUS Himself was STRIPPED NAKED of His Garments prior to His being NAILED to His Cross, He was TOTALLY NAKED. His Manhood was EXPOSED to the jeering, riotous, blood-lusting crowd assembled to cheer on the Romans in crucifying Him.

    Church TRADITION has it that His Mother, the Blessed Virgin Mary, took off her own VEIL from her head – thus SHAMING HERSELF in front of all of the ‘pious-righteous JEWS’ jeering and laughing at Jesus’s being put to death on a Roman Cross – and asked the Roman soldiers TO COVER her Son’s Physical NAKEDNESS while NAILED to His Cross.

    This WOMAN, this Mother of God, publicly SHAMED HERSELF in front of her ‘fellow JEWS’ in order to offer her Son SOME MEASURE OF PROTECTION against the political might of the ENTIRE Roman Empire and against all of the spiritual violence being levied against her Son by the JEWS – and all that she could offer Him was HER OWN VEIL!

    When the Eternal Son of God the Father, the Word made Flesh, the LOGOS Who took on our human nature in HER womb – GOD INCARNATE – was born to her and entered our stinkin’ miserable world of HUMAN BEINGS – St. Luke records that SHE wrapped Him up in ‘Swaddling Cloth’.

    You go THINK HARD on where this WOMAN obtained such a large amount of CLEAN CLOTH in which to wrap her own Son born to her in a manager, in the town of BETHLEHEM, a place of her own husband’s heritage where all of HIS relatives and friends REJECTED his own PREGNANT WIFE – the Blessed Virgin Mary – and REFUSED to aid or assist her in ANY WAY with the onset of her giving BIRTH to her Son JESUS.

    Most assuredly, she did NOT receive any ‘cloth’ from ANY Orthodox Patriarch, Metropolitian or THEOLOGIAN!

    Her SON ‘runs and Reigns over HIS Church’ here on earth. He ‘calls the Shots’.

    And if THE LORD HIMSELF came avisitin’ ME with His Offer of ordaination into HIS Priesthood via the hands of MY BISHOP – then YOU just ‘back off’ and go say some PRAYERS for my Bishop – and for this reason:

    He is under CONSTANT SPIRITUAL ATTACK by WOMEN – by WITCHES who raise up ELEMENTALS in order to VEX him, to throw every manner of OBSTACLE in his Bishop’s ministry, in order to bring about every manner of MISFORTUNE to him in and with HIS Bishop’s Ministry and Mission for THE LORD’S CHURCH here on earth.

    Maybe you BELONG to a affilated COVEN of theirs. Who knows?


    – Fr. Joseph

  177. Stav January 23, 2010 @ 1:37 pm

    Fr. Joseph,

    I’d suggest we all calm down things a bit, before we continue any more on this whole subject.

    I have been reading the various latest posts (not only yours), and my may point now, is to stay calm, as this can lead to a bad situation for all concerned. Hence my silence for today.


  178. The Prodigal Son January 23, 2010 @ 2:37 pm


    That’s very gracious of you, thank you.

    But you still haven’t answered anything I asked you… so maybe you owe me an apology too. You’re sort of ignoring me – know what I mean?

    The truth will set you free Charlie.

    — — —


    Thank you so much. Any links you can offer are welcome. It’s time for me to go HOME!… I love to learn things that are good and true which can help me in getting there.

    One question about Pope Leo… one icon shows what appears to be a black (or at least a dark skinned) man, but the other page has an icon of what appears to be a white(ish) man.

    Not that I really care – but I assume he was actually darker skinned, and then later on became noticably whiter ?

    I cannot understand why some people – who call themselves Christian (even some calling themselves ‘Otrhodox’) – can at the same time think it’s o.k. to be so RACIST and SEXIST.

    The love of Christ is not in these people I think. All I can do is pray for them.

    Do you know of any Orthodox missions to Israel? How hard is it to get into Palestine?

    Christ Conquers!

    — — —

    Fr. Josesph,

    I told you before that I had been baptized – yes. But I also told you that I had never been confirmed.

    So – I am not even a member of Christ’s Church yet, for I have yet to receive His Holy Spirit… you see?

    Some say the baptism was valid… but the jury’s still out on that one too – for me.

    As Charlie says… He is real. So I’m through messing around – because He has shown Himself to me, and I have recognized Him. And all praise goes to Him and only Him for that, because I was lost.

    So to return to your analogy – I don’t have a licence. I am in the world – trying to get out.

    Scripture reveals that the Holy Spirit is not received by merely believing in Jesus (even the demons believe)… and Scripture also reveals that the Holy Spirit is not received by being baptized.

    The Holy Spirit comes to us through His Church – through the laying on of hands, through Chrismation.

    Chrismation must be performed by someone who is in His Church. Now I won’t say that that is the ONLY way to receive His Holy Spirit – BUT is is the prescribed method in Scripture and in tradition kept Holy.

    The apostles were men – but the traditions they instituted were not ‘traditions of men’ (that’s protestant talk) – the traditions passed down from the apostles are the traditions of God’s own Church on earth.

    We know these are of the apostles (and therefore of Christ) so we must hold them dear and of course never endeavor to change ANYTHING!

    You await a second Pentecost (brought on by apparitions?) but there has been ONE already and one is enough. There is one Church also… but this is enough as well.

    When I started this search I was upset that my own mother never took me to be confirmed. Now I’m glad she didn’t.

    It’s much easier to examine Christianity as a whole from OUTSIDE of the Church (as I’m sure Br. Nathanael can attest to) – knowing that you are DEAD in this world unless you can find His Church -which is not some abstract idea but a TANGIBLE, visible group of people who have been called out of this world.

    I personally will NEVER set foot into a ‘church’ controlled by Rothschilds through Vatican City – EVER AGAIN. So now I thank my mother!

    The fake ‘Jew’ rabbis who are dressed up like priests would only have probably molested me anyway, and would certainly have indoctrinated my young mind into all sorts of heretical inventions which His Church never knew – and which lead nowhere.

    You shall know them by their fruits. Do not be partaker with them – as Scripture warns, for we know where these things can lead.

    Rothschilds (Michael K.) control almost everything now, including the Vatican and all of her glorious money. This is the spirit of Mammon.

    They have a mark (the hexagram) which is on everything because almost EVERYTHING you see was obtained with it. You can’t buy or sell without it in MOST of the world.

    The mark is composed of six intersecting lines… with six points and a hexagram in the center which also of course has six points.

    Chances are you received the money with the mark hidden on it in your right hand. And if you don’t have any money – then it is probably the ONLY thing on your mind (forehead?).

    May God have mercy on me – a sinner.

  179. The Prodigal Son January 23, 2010 @ 2:59 pm

    One more thing I wanted to ask you Fr. Joseph…

    HOW can you believe in apparitions of Mary – a WOMAN… when you seem to have a problem with WOMEN?

    I mean since you refer to a person in Christ’s Church (where we are all the same) constantly as WOMAN in a chauvanistic tone?

    In this light – what can Mother Mary (a WOMAN) teach you?

    Her example is SUBMISSION to God – to our icon of God Who is Christ, and to the will of the Father – as revealed in Scripture through her Son, and His Holy Spirit.

    Mary (a WOMAN)… wants us to follow God, through her Son (as she did). And her Son – Who is God in the flesh told us to love one another. All of us.

    May God bless you.

  180. R. C. Christian January 23, 2010 @ 3:28 pm

    Scott Brown the new Mass Senator is a Zionist Israel firster. The deception escalates while reinforcing the false left/right paradigm.

    Scott Brown Speaks to Boston’s Jewish Advocate

    Scott Brown took a half hour to talk to the local Jewish newspaper: Brown takes hard line for Israel

    The Senate race

    By Kenneth H. Kaplan Special to the Advocate

    Nearing the end of a brief Senate campaign focused almost exclusively on domestic issues, State Sen. Scott Brown, the Republican candidate, sought to sharply distinguish himself from his Democratic opponent in the areas of security and Mideast policies. Brown called Attorney General Martha Coakley wrong on both Iran and Afghanistan and portrayed himself as a longtime friend of Israel who would be one of its leading advocates in Washington.

    Brown, a lieutenant colonel in the National Guard who cited more than once his “training in the issues of war and peace,” said Coakley is “out of touch on military issues.” He said she is making a mistake by extending constitutional rights to terror suspects “at taxpayers’ expense,” insisting that they instead be treated as enemy combatants.

    Brown spoke last weekend by phone from his home in Wrentham in advance of the Jan. 19 special election. At times both laid back and feisty in the half-hour interview, he wondered aloud whether young American Jews fully understand Israel’s security needs. He criticized President Obama for pressing Israel to freeze all settlement activity, but praised his plan to send more troops to Afghanistan. On the campaign itself, he said, “If I could have the Jewish community come out, a bloc [Coakley] thinks she’s getting, I’ll win this thing by 5 to 8 percent.”

    The following are excerpts from the interview:

    Q: Israel enjoyed extremely close ties with the United States under the Bush administration. Critics say despite that, no real progress was made toward achieving peace, leading them to conclude that the US should put more pressure on Israel. Do you subscribe to that view?

    I understand it, but I don’t agree with it. … President Bush was one of the most pro-Israel presidents in our lifetime, and first of all, it takes two or three entities to get down to the bargaining table and come up with peace. But when you have groups who will not adhere to the treaties of yesteryear and want to have a whole new set of treaties, one of the first things you need to do is have these entities recognize the agreements and honor them, and obviously recognize the right for Israel to actually survive.

    Q: Speaking of existing agreements, Israel previously agreed to stop building more settlements. The Obama administration pressed Israel to halt any more settlement activity. Are settlements an obstacle to achieving a two-state solution?

    Well certainly, but Israel also has the right to live in its lands without having another country dictate terms before you get to the bargaining table. Whether it’s close settlements or not build, you can’t be giving away cards before you get to the bargaining table. … I find it offensive that [Obama is] setting the terms before even sitting down at the table. … I think that Israel had done more than enough in terms of extending the olive branch to get people to the bargaining table.

    Q: Israel’s security barrier in the West Bank and its incursion into the Gaza Strip both achieved their aims, measured by the reduction in suicide bombings inside Israel and rocket fire from Gaza. Yet both have been condemned as violating Palestinians’ rights. Are Israel’s methods excessive?

    A: Well, when it comes to your survival, I don’t know, what’s excessive? When you have people lobbing missiles into your bedrooms, you need to establish security measures to protect your kids, your families. … And don’t forget. when you have Hamas lobbing missiles from hospitals and schools, you’re at an unfair disadvantage. Israel and the United States, we follow the Geneva Conventions and the protocols and the laws of war.

    Q: The United States was fortunate to have been spared in the attempted attack aboard a Detroit-bound plane. How should the US tighten air security? Is there anything that should or should not be borrowed from Israel’s methods, which, while effective, have been criticized for involving profiling?

    A: Let me just backtrack and add another wrinkle to that. I do not believe that these people should be treated as ordinary criminals. They should be treated as enemy combatants. We’re in a war. Clearly there was a tie to Al Qaeda.

    [The Detroit suspect] should never have been lawyered up at taxpayer expense. He should immediately be treated as an enemy combatant and transferred down to Gitmo or some other facility, and interrogated under the laws of the United States and the Geneva Convention and all the laws of war, first of all.

    So there’s a mistake that Martha Coakley is making by providing constitutional rights to enemy combatants and opening up a whole new level of rights that they’re not entitled to at taxpayer expense. … I would rather spend more time keeping our people safe and then maybe infringing on our liberties a little bit at a time when in fact there are some very serious threats upon us.

    Q: How concerned are you that Iran is close to acquiring a nuclear weapon? Do you believe economic sanctions can halt the Iranian program? If not, should other measures be considered, or should the world, and Israel, find a way to coexist with a nuclear Iran?

    That’s scary. Well, first of all there’s a couple of things happening. Ahmadinejad … Martha Coakley wants to have one-on-one negotiations with him. She would go there. That’s ridiculous. You don’t want to legitimize his regime and give it a propaganda tool. She’d be the only one who wants to do that. Not even President Obama wants to do that. Low-level negotiations are great, but they’re obviously playing the cat and mouse game. …

    They’re at 28 percent unemployment. Their cash reserves are almost gone. So if there is any type of economic threat right now, that can work … it would shut their industry down cold. …

    Everyone knows that Israel has the right to protect itself. The option to attack Iran is always there. You don’t even need to mention it.

    Q: Martha Coakley recently voiced opposition to Obama’s plan to send more troops to Afghanistan. What do you think should be the American commitment?

    First of all, she’s wrong. It shows how out of touch she is with military issues. … By having the amount of troops we have there now, they’re spread so thin that they’re vulnerable.

    So … I do support the president. Especially his 180 on this very issue. He took the time to figure out what the problem was. I commend him for that, publicly. … He’s looking to provide the tools and resources to our men and women to finish the job. And the job is very clear. It’s to make sure the Taliban and Al Qaeda do not reestablish bases, reestablish control.

  181. jgalindes January 23, 2010 @ 3:38 pm

    Prodigal Son.

    First I want to thank you for your open invitation for a conversion that I’ll courteously reject at this point in my life.

    Secondly, I would like to remark, that even having stayed under Roman Catholic Schooling during my childhood I’VE NEVER BEEN SUBJECTED TO ANY KIND OF MISTREATMENT, ESPECIALLY OF THE SEXUAL KIND NOT ANYONE OF THE MANY THOUSANDS IN THE SALESIAN FAMILY.

    I TAKE THIS SUPPOSITION OF YOURS DEEPLY PRECONCEITED (“…The fake ‘Jew’ rabbis who are dressed up like priests would only have probably molested me anyway, and would certainly have indoctrinated my young mind into all sorts of heretical inventions which His Church never knew – and which lead nowhere…”)

    Regarding indoctrination with false teachings…let me say, Prodigal Son, that we in the Catholic Church contemplate Orthodoxy in the same way you do with us.

    On the other hand I agree with you whence you mentioned on Orthodoxy and the possibility of racism :

    (“…I cannot understand why some people – who call themselves Christian (even some calling themselves ‘Orthodox’) – can at the same time think it’s o.k. to be so RACIST and SEXIST…”)

    Till somebody prove on the contrary, “FR. John” is an Orthodox and first time I came to inspect these threads, several good Orthodox friends here interchanged freely with this character that even had his website link available on the message headings.

    So,everyone knew that this gentleman is/was an ultra-racist, white supremecist.

    Not simply “a white man venting his anger against multiculturalism”.

  182. Renee January 23, 2010 @ 4:37 pm

    Do the Orthodox have missions to foreign countries?

    Do the Orthodox sponsor elementary schools, high schools, colleges?

  183. The Prodigal Son January 23, 2010 @ 5:41 pm

    Thanks JGalindes,

    Thank God nothing happened to you as a child… the Irish Roman Catholic churches in particular were not so lucky.

    I have no proof that any paedophiles are secretly rabbis or anything… but Ashkenazis (or resulting hybrids w/ Ashkenazi mothers) can blend in very well with white congregations.

    Look at Bernie Madoff… or someone like Harrison Ford (Indiana Jones), or even the lead singer of Twisted Sister.

    Or Paul Newman, or William Shatner, or Robert Redford, or John Stewart (The Daily Show), or Jay Leno (who bumped Conan O’Brien), or David Letterman, or all of the Beastie Boys or Super Dave Osbourne (from the t.v show Bizarre).

    These men are all WHITE as far as I can tell! But it is anti-Semitic to say so.

    I know that the Talmud explicitly condones pederasty and I know that a Chief Rabbi told the ‘Jews’ who were being ‘persecuted’ to have their sons become priests in the Catholic Church and attain leadership to subvert the Church.

    Did you know that it is likely that Christopher Columbus (who DID NOT discover America) was a ‘Jew’ ? The ‘Jews’ of today say this – not me.

    If my memory serves me 1492 was the same year which in Spain all ‘Jews’ had to convert to Catholicism or be expelled.

    May I just ask (as Constantine also did) – What are the ‘errors’ which Roman Catholics (in general – nothing personal) think that the Eastern Orthodox Church has perpetrated/perpetuated?


  184. KathJuliane January 23, 2010 @ 6:02 pm

    Greetings in the Lord Jesus, Fr. Joseph,

    Firstly, it was not my intention to “bring shame” on your bishop, and if you perceived it as so, then please forgive me, nor were my comments meant to be at all unsympathetic or demeaning.

    And if you wish to call my little long-standing friendship circle of Christian women, some Protestant, Catholic and Orthodox who have been and are active in defense of the pre-born a “coven” tossing “hexes” at you through the internet, then feel free (grin).

    On the contrary, I was very saddened especially after reading the following Statement of Basic Belief from the site you provided and invited me to examine.

    “Because the world of independent Catholicism has such a patchy history, both ecclesiastically and theologically, many might wonder, even after reading the materials on the NAORC website, just what it is the NAORC actually believes. This is highly understandable. What follows is an attempt to state, as briefly as possible, the official beliefs of the NAORC.”

    These are not my words, but from the site that you posted.

    Taking what I read at face value as being evident of your bishop and his flock to “stand fast in the tradition given”, that even the world of traditional and conservative ‘Old Catholics’ after the 19th c. which was somewhat familiar from both the history of Orthodoxy in America, and from meeting a few Old Catholics and Traditional Catholics as well as Roman Catholics at various times who made pilgrimages to monasteries, who seem to be currently living a spiritually distressed ‘catacomb’ life after Vatican II; and that Old Catholics have suffered considerable onslaught, division, spiritism and liberalization and feminization throughout the 20th c, along with that in the Anglican and Catholic worlds, especially here on American soil.

    When I followed up on this at

    I was shocked and dismayed to tears at just what “a patchy history, ecclesiastically and theologically” meant in terms of ‘independent Catholicism’ over the past century on the whole, particularly the historical abuses of ordinations by some definitely scurrilous, unstable and careless individuals taking advantage of sincere and vulnerable bishops by seeking ordinations for gain and power from the venerable episcopal successions of Utrecht, along with the Anglican, Catholic and even attempts with Eastern episcopal successions, from the 19th c., that went on to form definite anti-Catholic and anti-Christian cults, but assumed the names of “Catholic”, “Apostolic”, “Orthodox” and variations nevertheless.

    Following some of the web pages, I even ran across someone appallingly promoting “entrepreneurial Old Catholicism.” Huh?

    Please note well, that I am not accusing your bishop as being one of these people or that from what is presented on the site which I presume to be the sincere published expression of your Christian faith and values, that of your bishop and NAORC within your own discipline, and the lay Carmelite tradition you hold dear in absence of any other data to go on. Putting myself in your shoes, it would all seem overwhelming to me, too.

    For what it is worth, if anything it makes your personal situation and worldview within the larger realm of ‘independent Catholic Churches’ within the tapestry of American religious plurality and smorgasboard “Christianity” more understandable to me, some of which are rank imposters if not outright satanic to begin with, and it was an eye-opener to realize that the tentacles of the “spirit of the age” was so deeply embedded in what was once a very staunch 19th c. Confession that once seemed “near-Orthodox” in the opinion of one Eastern bishop concerning Old Catholic Churches in America.

    And please, don’t take this observation out of its context, either, as being from the 19th c. when Old Catholicism came in with the various ethnic immigrants from Europe and traditional Christians in America were generally more pious to begin with than things are now. How far America has sunk.

    Orthodoxy in America has had to deal with the same stuff as well, although simply because we are smaller and much less centralized and bureaucratic in organization under local control of bishops and laity, as well as the difference in ecclesiology itself, the problem of imposter, wicked or criminally defrocked clerics setting up their own has been far, far less, nor have we entirely skated on our share of painful scandals from financial to clerical misconduct that have hit over time.

    If your bishop is zealously guarding his ordination and succession according to NAORC’s canons from further abuses and profanation by unworthy individuals and groups to keep his flock safe, which he has acknowledged is a problem in a diplomatic and understated way, then may God grant him continuing strength and faith to do so if that is God’s will.

    Peace in Christ

    IC XC
    NI KA

  185. The Prodigal Son January 23, 2010 @ 6:26 pm


    The Old Testament was written by ‘Jews’. You think?

    There were no ‘Jews’ before Judah… so?

    Noah was not a ‘Jew’… Moses was not a ‘Jew’, nor were Abraham, Isaac or Jacob.

    Jacob/Israel had 12 sons. ONE of those sons was named Judah – he became the ‘patriarchal’ progenator of the tribe of Judah. In the O.T., ‘Jews’ are actually Judahites.

    ‘Jews’ warred with the kingdom of Israel to the North, so obviously the word ‘Jew’ cannot be considered synonymous with the word ‘Hebrew’ or ‘Israelite’.

    In the time of Christ, what were the kindoms of Judah & Israel wer divided into Roman provinces. Judea was one province, Galilee another… with Samaria in between. Many of those living in the South in Judea were actually racially, genetically hated Edomites, not Israelites.

    Judeans are – in the various English Bibles – ALSO translated as ‘Jews’. In this case – all it really meant was: a resident of Judea. But not all of the residents of Judea were actually tribal Judahites.

    So your assertion that the New Testament was written predominately by ‘Jews’ is off as well, I think.

    If Judeans in the South were called ‘Jews’… then what was a resident of Galilee (of the Gentiles) called in the Bible? A Galilaean of course.

    So do you think then that it is correct to call the apostles who (to my knowledge) were all (except Judas) Galilaeans – ‘Jews’? The ‘Jews’ (Judeans) wanted to kill Christ… so they avoided walking in Judea completely at times.

    As far as I know – only Judas was a ‘Jew’ – Judean… the rest – from Galilee (of the Gentiles).

    Paul – we know for certain was a Benjamite; not a Judahite… so if he wasn’t a Judahite and he wasn’t a Judean… then how could he (or any of the apostles) be called a ‘Jew’? Israelite – yes… but ‘Jew’?

  186. The Prodigal Son January 23, 2010 @ 7:14 pm

    By the way…

    If many of the ‘Jews’ (Judeans) in the south were really Edomites (such as Herod) – then how many of those who went on to be called ‘Masoretes’ and ‘Jews’… were actually Edomites?

    — — —

    ‘I know you works (usury), tribulation (Holocaust), and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan’
    – Revelation 2:9

    ‘Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but LIE –

    Indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.’
    – Revelation 3:9

    ‘I shall execute My vengeance on Edom by the hand of my people Israel, and they will do in Edom according to My wrath and anger.

    Then they will know My vengeance,” says the Lord.’
    – Ezekiel 25:14

    Christians are the Israel of God.


    I love the way this forms a Cross…

    IC XC
    NI KA

  187. Norseman January 23, 2010 @ 8:06 pm

    (The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion on the goyim).

    This is undoubtedly true for most of our society. Most of the people –at least intuitively- know that Jews are evil. Still, they keep on watching Hollywood movies, voting for their jewish-occupied parties (no matter which one!), buying goods from companies belonging to Jews or using their credit cards!

    These words in the Protocols were written by evil people with satanic knowledge of the weaknesses of men.

    Now, let us have a look at our forum. Each of us here, be it Catholic, Orthodox or Protestant, are against the Jew conspiracy. However, every one of the threads degenerates into a theological fight, which WILL BEAR NO FRUITS.

    Will Stav become a Roman Catholic?

    Will Father Joseph change to the Orthodox faith?

    NO, NO and NO!!!

    Cui bono? The Jew is laughing loudly. We are wasting our time and our energy, we are fighting each other. We stop to fight the REAL ENEMY, hence we actually are working FOR THE ENEMY.

    How long do you think that a normal reader will bear the endless diatribes in our threads? Or does this average, non-theological reader actually quit the forum after reading a few posts of the sort Catholic vs. Orthodox?

    Will this reader return to RZN or rather exit thinking that we are a bunch of fanatics which cannot even agree on the basic issues of our Christian faith, to never return again?

    As commentators, we need to support the work of Brother Nathanael, not undermine it.

    Dear brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ: this I write to you with an open heart, for you to think about it and ACT accordingly.

    Maybe a separate, perpetual forum for theological issues could be the solution.

  188. KathJuliane January 23, 2010 @ 8:29 pm

    Dear Renee –

    Some info on Orthodox Christian charity work. We don’t have the vast resources and extensive organizations of the Protestant and Catholic charitable institutions to spend on publicity and advertising, or televangelism, and our efforts are comparatively small-scale by themselves.

    A good deal is arranged through the Local Churches and private foundations in Europe and the US, and on a diocesan, parish and even grassroots association level as well as pan-Orthodox around the world, or sometimes coordinating and partnering with certain inter-Christian charitable and relief work.

    Many of the affected and impoverished countries are Eastern or Oriental Orthodox motherlands as well, like Palestine, the Balkans, Russia, besides what work can be done elsewhere.

    Other projects that I know of are things similar to ‘Habitat for Humanity’, going into poor countries and building houses and schools and there is work on-going in New Orleans as well as places like Uganda.

    International Orthodox Christian Charities: this page shows a map of where IOCC works delivering emergency relief and humanitarian aid:

    This is the front page of IOCC. They are very busy in Philippines and Haiti right now. At least two Methodist missionary pastors were killed in Haiti, and last I read about 75,000 are dead.

    This list might give you an idea of the kinds and scale of charities and associations, some devoted to renovating and rebuilding churches and monasteries, for example, which were bombed by Clinton in Serbia or destroyed by rioters in 2004 in Kosovo, as well as schools, education and hospitals.

    Some links on schools and education. Again, we aren’t close to being large scale. Traditionally, parish schools were formed and privately funded by the various local immigrant ethnic communities, but now with 3rd and 4th generation English speakers and converts the parish schools, academies and colleges are slowly building up.

    Up in my area of NoCal which is mostly rural and conservative biblical, evangelical and Protestant Christians, the small Orthodox community sometimes sent children to the local Catholic schools, or formed small charter schools, or home-schooled, but the public education here is still fairly decent especially in districts where the parents are active and diligent about curriculum.

    Peace in Christ

    IC XC
    NI KA

  189. Brother Nathanael January 23, 2010 @ 8:32 pm

    Dear Stavros, Fr Joseph, Prodigal Son, “Norseman,” et all –

    I just got home from the LA Street Evangelism Trip and it was a HUGE success – the 6 Terrorist cops on Wednesday notwithstanding.

    I had turned over the moderating to someone else while gone, but now I am back at it.

    I really think we SHOULD take a break from the Orthodox/Catholic “dialogue” here and rather, as Norseman suggests, support the “work” of these Real Zionist News articles.

    To be honest, I am a bit discouraged over the very low numbers of donations.

    I do my part. I promised a long time ago to put up at least one RZN article per week.

    I also give a blow by blow account of my Street Evangelism, as I did while in LA, to keep everyone abreast of my activities which I ask all to help support.

    So, would you all please consider helping me not only on the Street, but to keep OUR site, Real Zionist News, online for January and February 2010?

    (I can barely make expenses this month.)

    There Is An Online Donation Feature Button At The Top & Bottom Of This And Every RZN Article. Or simply Click:

    Donations May Also Be Safely Sent TO:

    Brother Nathanael Kapner; PO Box 547; Priest River ID; 83856.

    Again, I APPRECIATE You All!

    Your +Brother in Christ, Nathanael

  190. Adora January 23, 2010 @ 11:54 pm

    Most people have a God given innate knowing of right from wrong.

    If they hear false teachings from parents, rabbis, preachers, teachers, or others, something clicks in their brain and heart that tells them it is wrong.

    At that point they choose their path. Good or bad. The individual has a choice. You will know them by their fruit.

  191. Fr. Joseph January 24, 2010 @ 9:45 am

    Brother Nathanael,

    Be of ‘good cheer’ – you are NOT alone.

    I, too, am very, VERY discouraged as well.

    It was the Lord Who had my Bishop relay to me in a letter TO STOP these efforts of mine in order TO INFORM people of the Grave Dangers our entire Human Race is causing for itself. Grave Dangers to each other from EACH OTHER’s hands and the Grave Dangers facing our Human Race from the Hand of God Himself.

    In that particular letter from my Bishop, THE LORD used this exact Phrase

    “…some will listen, MANY WILL NOT.”

    So I share that wee bit of information with you, my dear Brother Nathanael, so as to buoy your own sagging spirits in attempting to get people TO REPENT of their current sinful ways, their godless ways and REFORM their lives IMMEDIATELY!

    Back in September of 1993 A.D., I had the Mother of God whisper into my ear her words

    “Do whatever He tells you.”

    Very shortly thereafter, I was brought into the Divine Presence of God – and it was as if ALL OF HEAVEN were utterly and absolutely SILENT and I was given to hear the Voice of God the Father THUNDERING in what I would call a ‘Fit of Divine Anger’ or perhaps a ‘Fit of Divine Rage’.

    That began for me a week long series of mystical experieces of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

    I was charged in relay a Divine Message to the Bishop of Rome as well as to the Executive, Legislative and Judicial Branches of the United States of America’s Federal Goverment and to the Governors of the Fifty U.S. States that His Divine Anger was about to fall on the peoples of the United States of America AS WELL AS the rest of the nations of our Christ-rejecting, God-mocking WORLD.

    I recall sitting myself down at my table holding my PC wrestling with composing such a Message in utter dismay and vacillating personal doubts.

    A very powerful Heavenly Angel come to my left shoulder, and in the MOST STERN WAY, had me open up my Bible to the book of Ezekiel, and my eyes immediately fell upon and began to read ‘by themselves’ TO ME the words written down in Ezekiel 33:1-9.

    Ezekiel 33:8 convinced me that I ‘had BETTER’ get on with what was Assigned to me to do regardless of whatever ‘fears’ and whatever personal ‘doubts’ I was toying with back in forth in my mind and heart.

    Ensuing ‘visions’ included thermonuclear blasts and ensuing results on U.S. cities as well as our entire planet earth becoming engulfed by some sort of VERY STRANGE plasma like churning fiery ‘substance’ falling to the ground burning up people who wound up yelling out the most gosh-awful blood curdling screams of agony.

    And the personal word-vision-image of the Lord recorded in the Gospel of St. Matthew, Matthew 23:33-36 simply echoed and re-echoed in those ensuing times when I simply HAD TO write-inform others, both inside and outside of the Church.

    Br. Nathanael, regardless of what you or I or anyone else on our planet earth MIGHT ATTEMPT TO DO in order to get our US Nation, the nations of our World and all of Mankind “TURNED AROUND” – we simply MUST ACCEPT THE DIVINE FACT that none of us are going to “succeed” in bringing about the inner vision, the inner goal, of what WE might wish to be the Ultimate Outcome to and for our nations of this World – to include our very own United States of America.

    The LORD Himself took it upon Himself to inform ME (via my Bishop)

    “…some will listen, MANY WILL NOT.”

    in order to help me in falling into a pit of despair-depression. You and I and any others can only do SO MUCH for these people of our Christ-hating, God-rejecting nations of our World – to include our own United States of America.

    For it was the Mother of God, the Blessed Virgin Mary who told the peoples of her Son’s Church and all the nations of our contemporary World


    The Mother of God CANNOT nor will she ever LIE!

    You and I and whoever else in this World can only DO the very little that has been and is assigned to us TO DO – and our own personal efforts WILL NOT and are INCAPABLE OF bringing about a global-worldwide ‘Mass Metanoia’.

    Only GOD the Holy Spirit, the Divine Spouse of the Mother of God, the Blessed Virgin Mary, is capable doing THAT.

    So allow yourself the inner spiritual liberty of ‘shaking off’ ANY lingering personal discouragement. Simply be of ‘good cheer’ in doing the very little and simple things that you CAN DO.

    You and I are NOT going to ‘save this World’ of ours. It’s TOO FAR ‘GONE’. And only the Divine Actions of and Divine Powers of God the HOLY SPIRIT have the ability to ‘Renew The Face Of This Earth’.

    And in closing – mailed you some $$$ and some ‘Care Package’ stuff – so cheer up, my dear brother in the Lord – you have something to LOOK FOWARD TO in ‘this’ World an in the World ‘to come’.

    – Fr. Joseph

  192. Fr. Joseph January 24, 2010 @ 11:16 am

    Dear Br. Nathanael,

    Just wanted to share with you a passing thought of mine that was mine while mulling all manner of thing over with a cup of coffee here at my hermitage – kinda/sorta like extending the hospitality of my hermitage to you on account of the spiritual “cold-shoulder” that you’ve gotten and are getting from the very COLD people in our VERY COLD ‘World’ of 2010 Anno Domini.

    I’m not the only ‘Catholic’ in this entire World, nor are you the only ‘Orthodox’ in this entire World. And neither you or I are Bishops of either the Catholic or Orthodox Church.

    Additionally, you and I are NOT the only Human Beings alive on this planet earth.

    And you and I are NOT World Leaders, Presidents, Senators, Congressmen, Members of Parilament, the Private Owners of this World’s Central Banks, majority share holders in any Corporation anywheres in our World.

    You and I are not ‘Commanders of Military Forces’.

    Truth to tell – you and I aren’t “very much at all” in either the Church or the World.

    We are just ‘passing through’ this contemporay nightmarish scene that is our World of 2010 Anno Domini.

    And all that we could do or might have done, we did as “our Faith suggests” per St. Paul’s Apostolic instruction.

    So perhaps both you and I need to take A REST – I can find peace and solace here at my hermitage. You can find peace and solace at your monastery.

    Here are three passages from Sacred Scripture I’d like for you to read:

    Mark 4:3-9 – Mark 11:12-4 – Matthew 22:28-43

    You and I don’t “run” this World nor do we “run” the Church. As a matter of fact, about the ONLY THING that you and I actually and truly DO “RUN UP” are our expenses in terms of money, time and other resources.

    Take some time to pray about it – after reading those three passages from Sacred Scripture with the understanding that neither I or you are the only Catholics or Orthodox throughout this World, that neither you or I are Bishops, that neither your or I are any kind or sort of ‘Grand Pooh Bah’ in the World’s scene – and that we’ve tried to do what little we COULD with the very little that BOTH you and I have in order to get SOMETHING ‘DECENT’ DONE in this Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World of 2010 Anno Domini.

    The Transnational Oligarchs’ Global World ‘ECONOMY’ has NO INTEREST in making available or bringing our ‘Product’ to the World Marketplace.

    So, perhaps, we simply have to take our ‘Wares’ and go back to our respective ‘homes’.

    – Fr. Joseph

  193. Norseman January 24, 2010 @ 2:49 pm

    Dear Brother Nathanael and Father Joseph,

    Holy is our Father in Heaven, that he sends us peace in this Sunday !

    Brother Nathanael’s decision to stop the Orthodox/Catholic “dialogue” is wise and surely inspired by the Holy Spirit.

    Father Joseph, your comment about your mystical experiences is comforting to all of us, and it helps strengthen our faith. Rest assured that your efforts are not in vain, and that He who dwells in Heaven values your work.

    Despair is one of the sharpest weapons of the Devil. Not long ago, one good friend of mine told me: “Nice to have an objective like you, not like me, probing in the dark”. He is one of the best Christians I ever met, and as such, under constant attack from the Devil. Many people feel that they are “probing in the dark”, not knowing what they have to do next, tired of fighting for too long.

    To all of you I say: you have fought long enough, take a rest, regroup your forces and ask Him to tell you where and when you should come back to “the front”.

    We have wasted our energies and resources discussing, and we have overseen urgent matters. For instance, jgalindes posted highly relevant letters between Cardinal Bea (freemason and cryptojew) and the AJC, where the latter demand the Christian Faith be adapted to the Jew’s desires.

    Some of the questions in those letters still plague many Christians, caught in the net of lies woven by the Jews.

    Here some examples:

    -The Jews (as a religion) are not responsible for the death of Jesus Christ, only their high priests of the time.

    -All sinners are responsible in equal measure for the death of Jesus Christ.

    -The “Old Covenant” is still valid regarding the present Jews.

    -The God of Christians and Jews is one and the same.

    The list could be a few pages long. This is the venom that entered the Catholic Church via Vatican II, but also plagues other denominations. How many souls are being lost due to these lies and blasphemies? THIS IS WHERE YOUR THEOLOGICAL KNOWLEDGE IS ESSENTIAL TO COMBAT THE ENEMY!!

    So, our battleships Fr. Joseph, KathJuliane, Stav, jgalindes, charlie, Prodigal Son et al.: you have been shown the target, turn your heavy artillery towards it and FIRE! This is not a drill!!

    The Peace of Jesus Christ be with you!


  194. jgalindes January 24, 2010 @ 3:32 pm

    Dear father Joseph,

    Every honest and competent geopolitical researcher will end up with a model with a three years projection into which the Russian territory will have to forcefully expand to the East and to the West, as well.

    Such prospective block will probably be born out of an extraordinary situation triggered by the instabilities introduced jointly by the State of Israel and the West with USA and part of the EU into the Caucasian and Middle East regions.

    We all know that Orthodoxy and the several Eastern national identities form a symbiotical mix so this may explain the sudden re-christianization of the Russians. Christianity is one of the 4 or 5 principal ingredients for a future Eurasian Empire with the Russian at its head.

    I do not know whether a Solem Consecration of Russia to The Blessed Virgin Mary will ever be performed, but I can assuredly feel that there is a mystery there given the plausibility of the aforementioned scenario.

    To me this whole year of constant participation among all you, especially you and Br. Nathanael, have been of tremendous advance both spiritually and intellectualy.

    I hope that all your efforts will produce awakening among those that eventually came across this website, probably the finest and certainly the truest to our Lord Jesus Christ.

  195. The Prodigal Son January 24, 2010 @ 4:38 pm


    Every post I have ever written here has been about ‘Jews’ and how ‘Jews’ have infiltrated and changed things.

    So to me – I’ve never gone off topic… THE ‘JEWS’ ARE *IN* THE ROMAN CHURCH !!

    The Bible clearly tells us to have NO fellowship with the un-fruitful works of darkness… So this is ‘in-fighting’?

    If the robber breaks into your house – the fight is IN THE HOUSE! The robber OWNS the house now… shall we continue to live w/ the robber?

    Any theological/doctrinal discussions do not hinder anyone else from posting anything pertinent… this is not like a T.V. where there’s only one channel.

    I can have a discussion about ‘Jews’ controlling the media with Stav while Charlie talks to Fr. Joseph about ‘Jews’ in the government while KathJuliane speaks to Michael K. about the ‘Jews’ harvesting organs in Haiti… no problem.

    These subjects and more are ALL ALWAYS on point here. Zionists/’Jews’ are involved in EVERYTHING – so almost any subject is pertinent to the topic – fake ‘Jews’ !

    Just the other day I got Charlie to capitulate that the Filioque was in contradiction to the words of Jesus Christ. So our discussion bore fruit !

    He had an erroneous belief… we discussed things (in a nice way), and then he changed his mind and came around to the truth. If only the pope of 1054 had been so easy to convince !

    See – in your mind – you view these discussions as a bad thing that somehow takes away from RZN…

    But ongoing discussions don’t stop anyone else from posting whatever they want that’s relevant at the same time!

    So – in my mind – these discussions are helpful (whether YOU know it or not!) to many who read and say nothing… the quiet learners.

    So many people will tell you they believe in free speech (but for who?) – and then turn around and tell you to shut up!

  196. Fr. Joseph January 24, 2010 @ 6:47 pm

    Prodigal Son,

    You’re starting up again! And ONE MORE TIME I’m giving you and ALL of the Orthodox here on RZN the same old, same old, same old REPLY!

    “As Johannes Grohe has pointed out, a regional council in Persia in 41 INTRODUCED one of the earliest forms of the ‘filioque’ in the Creed; the council specified that the Spirit proceeds from the Father “and the Son.” – PRINT THIS OUT AND READ IT!

    And if YOU will NOT print it out and READ IT, then let some OTHER members of the Orthodox Church here and READ IT. Maybe THEY will get YOU to understand that 410 A.D. was SIX-HUNDRED FORTY FOUR YEARS years BEFORE the Catholic-Orthodox Schism of 1054 A.D.

    If the ‘filioque’ is SO WRONG – then “WHAT THE HECK” took you Orthodox to finally NOTICE???

    Go ask THAT question of your own Orthodox Hierarchy of 2010 A.D.!

    Maybe ‘The Jews’ where ALREADY ‘in control’ of the Orthodox Church BACK IN 410 A.D.! (grin)

    – Fr. Joseph

  197. Brother Nathanael January 24, 2010 @ 7:25 pm

    Pics Of Brother Nathanael At UCLA!

    More To Come!

    This first pic is of a Muslim (he was not afraid of the rain) who told me, “Your religion is superior to mine.” He was from Iran @

    The next two pics basically show me holding the Cross in the POURING RAIN @ &

    +Brother Nathanael

  198. Fr. Joseph January 24, 2010 @ 7:52 pm

    Dear Juan,

    From my point-of-view, Christianity IS meant to be part and parcel of ALL nation’s political, economic and social lives.

    The MORAL, SOCIAL and ECONOMIC JUSTICE teachings of our Church are Inspired GUIDANCE to and for ALL peoples of ALL nations of our contemporary World SO THAT all men, woman and children might have the ability to DEVELOPE and LIVE like Human Beings are MEANT TO per our God, Creator and Father’s Divine Will for ALL OF US.

    When ANY religion in general and the Chrisitan Faith in particular is ‘USED’ by unscrupulous power-seeking mongrels in order to ASSERT themselves and THEIR particular ‘World Vision’ over their fellow ocuntrymen and their fellow man – then our Faith has become “bastardized”.

    It was CONSTANTINE, the Roman Emporer, who after issuing the Edict of Milan went to visit a Church cathedral in Milan Italy he had assisted in being built by the Empire’s funds. The Bishop of Milan at that time was St. Ambrose.

    St. Ambrose was in the middle of a homily he was giving to Christians attending the Mass when CONSTANTINE and his Imperial Entourage came into the back of the Cathedral.

    Everyone in the back of the Cathedral began to stand up and fall to a knee bowing to the Emporer, thus causing a spreading disruption for St. Ambrose while he preached his homily.

    St. Ambrose, upon seeing the DISRUPTION of the ‘Church’s Business’ in teaching and preaching to people the Gospel, the Divine Tachings of Christ Jesus, God Incarnate, the Word made flesh that the Roman Emporer was causing him SPOKE OUT DIRECTLY to the Roman Emporer CONSTANTINE and his Imperial Entourage the simple words


    Upon hearing Bishop St. Ambrose’s words, CONSTANTINE genuflected down on one knee and slipped into a seat right along with the other member-citizens of ‘HIS’ Empire in order to listen to the preaching of St. Ambrose and participate in the rest of the Mass’ Liturgy.

    Emporers and Kings and Queens and National Leaders down through the centuries have NOT exhibited the same sort of REVERENCE and CARE for their roles and positions as ‘Leaders of the Peoples’ as did Constantine.

    We see the same old thing happening in our contemporary World amongst every last nation-state of our World.

    When our ‘World’s Leaders’ PRO-ACTIVELY confer with the Church’s BISHOPS – and when the Bishops of the Church PRO-ACTIVELY comply with the Divine Guidance and Instructions that have been granted to the Church via the Mother of God’s Own appearances and historical interventions in our Human History – then and only then will we have a chance at ‘World Peace’.

    All of our Human History can be distilled down to our witnessing, enduring and suffering from Grown Adults all playing FOUR Child’s Games:

    1) King of the Hill
    2) Musical Chairs
    3) Tug of War
    4) Steal the Bacon

    And the three classes/categories of people who assist these Grown Adult World Leaders playing these Child’s Games with the lives of people the World over down through these centuries all make such Child’s Games possible by their works in being

    1) Ledger Keepers
    2) Word Crafters and
    3) Myth Spinners

    And that’s what our World and all of Human History has been since Chirst Jesus’ Ascension into Heaven and His giving His Divine Commission to His Apostles and disciples of His Church since Pentecost.

    Truly, as King Solomon’s observation and comment is recorded for all of us in the Book of Ecclesiastes

    “…What was will be again. And there is NOTHING NEW under the Sun.”

    Geopolitics nothing more than Child’s Game “Steal the Bacon” mixed in with “King of the Hill”, “Tug of War” and “Musical Chairs” – that’s ALL that it really and truly is.

    Geopolitics is the entire kit-and-kaboddle of those who want to ACQUIRE-POSSESS all manner of ‘STUFF’ in and from our God-given World – that’s ALL that is really and truly it.

    Geopolitics is nothing more than human beings obsessed with ‘Having’ and ‘Doing’ with very little concern at all with ‘Being’.

    And therein lies the lasting, persistant, inter-generational effect of ORIGINAL SIN bequeathed to us from our First Parent’s Spiritual Rebellion against our All-good God, Creator and Father in Heaven Who sent us His Son in order to reveal to us all and teach us all that we are all called ‘TO BECOME’ – meaning to say to enjoy our ‘BEING’ while being nourished, supported, guided, instructed and protected by the Divine Counselor Who is God the Holy Spirit.

    Only a Global, Worldwide ‘Second Pentecost’ is going to get our Human Race of this perpetual running upon and spinning of this satanic ‘SQUIRREL CAGE’.

    And that Global, Worldwide ‘Second Pentecost’ is NOT going to happen EVER unless the Chief of the Apostles joins in with the rest of Apostles ALONG WITH the Mother of God, the Blessed Virgin Mary, and IN UNION and in UNITY OF SPIRIT, they all pray for the Release of God the Holy Spirit upon ALL OF MANKIND once again.

    The Orthodox don’t want for that to happen.

    The Masonic crypto-Jews in our Catholic Church don’t want for that to happen.

    All of the Christian Zionists, Zionists and people of Islam don’t want for that to happen.

    All of the Masons, Rosicrucians, Kabbalahists, Hermetic Orders of the International Allied Occult dont’ what for that to happen.

    It’s kind hard – it’s REALLY KINDA HARD – to be about DRAINING this Satanic Swamp in which our entire World and all of Mankind is currently mired in when you are smack dab right in the middle and neck deep in SNAPPING ALLIGATORS everywhere you look.

    – Fr. Joseph

  199. Fr. Joseph January 24, 2010 @ 8:07 pm

    Prodigal Son,

    Regarding your much beloved year of “1054 A.D.”…

    Canon 12 of the Church’s Council of Chalcedon EXPRESSLY PROHIBITS Emperors from appointing BISHOPS in and for the Church.

    The Byzantine Emperor DEPOSED of the sitting Patriarch of Constantinople in order TO INSTALL his own personally desired Patriarch of Constantinople.

    THAT is the crux of the Catholic-Orthodox Schism of 1054 A.D.

    If only the BYZANTINE EMPEROR and his NEWLY APPOINTED Patriarch of Constantinople weren’t SO STUBBORN and had THEY simply OBEYED and KEPT ‘CHURCH TRADITIONS’, such as Canon 12 of the Church’s Council of CHALCEDON centuries earlier – we wouldn’t find ourselves in this FINE MESS of ours.

    – Fr. Joseph

  200. Fr. Joseph January 24, 2010 @ 9:15 pm

    Prodigal Son,

    If it is perfectly acceptable for the NOBILITY and RULERS of Eurasian land masses to install their own “much preferred” Bishops – then you HAVE TO SUPPORT that Nobility and rulers of European land masses can installed their own “much preferred” Bishops as well.

    For your information-edification:

    “The Religious Peace of Augsburg – 1555 A.D”

    (and that’s FIVE HUNDRED YEARS after your much beloved year of ‘1054 A.D.’)

    Again, if the Byzantine Emperor can depose of Bishops of the Church in order to install their own “much preferred” Bishops, then you MUST SUPPORT the King of England DESPOSING of St. Thomas Becket as the Archbishop of Cantebury, thus establishing the “Church of England”.

    And if THE STATE can authorized and sanction ‘The License’ for those NOT of the ‘Nobility’ to select for themselves their own ‘bishops’, then you MUST SUPPORT the United States of America and the ‘I.R.S.’ to issue TAX-EXEMPT STATUS for anyone and everyone who wants TO START their own ‘church’ – even if that ‘church’ promotes ZIONISM, denounces the Bishop of Rome and the Catholic Church and goes off with all its might to support always, everywhere and in every way imaginable a POLITICAL ZIONIST STATE such as Israel.

    That is the ONLY logical result for those who assert that POLITICAL LEADERS can and do have some sort of ‘Divine Right’ to appoint their own “much prefered” BISHOPS in and throughout the Church.

    From this logical ‘historical development’ since the year 1054 A.D. – ZIONISM simply has to be ‘acceptable to’ and ‘tolerated by’ you Orthodox – that is, if you REALLY think deeply about it and all of this ‘Schism’ stuff.

    – Fr. Joseph

  201. KathJuliane January 24, 2010 @ 9:17 pm

    Dear Fr. Joseph,

    A local or regional synod, like the one in Persia in 410, or the one at Toledo, can’t override canonical decrees of the Ecumenical Synods per the canons. At the time these regional creeds were respectively formulated the specific problem was combating Arianism, which denied the Divinity of Jesus Christ.

    All of the Ecumenical Synods re-affirmed and re-stated officially the Nicean-Constantinoplean Symbol of Faith forbidding any interpolations and changes to it with anathemas for any one that did so, all of which Rome participated, approved and agreed to, even to the point where Pope Leo III had the traditional text of the Creed, without the filioque, displayed publicly, having the original text engraved on two silver tablets, at the tomb of St. Peter.

    The Persian formulation was not accepted at either the Third Ecumenical Synod of Ephesus (431 called under St. Cyril, Archbishop of Alexandria, Celestine, Archbishop of Rome, and Emperor Theodosios the Younger) and the Fourth Ecumenical Synod of Chalcedon ( 451 under St. Anatolios Patriarch of Constantinople, St. Leo the Great, Pope of Rome, and Emperor Marcian.)

    At Chalcedon, there were 630 bishops in attendance from the East and West.

    Presumably, you are again using St. Photius as the whipping boy and blaming the East Church for violating canons and 1054. Please read the following, especially a quote from an unimpeachable Catholic source.

    The Eighth Ecumenical Council was a reunion council held at Constantinople in 879-880. This council was originally accepted and fully endorsed by the papacy in Rome (whose legates were present at the behest of Pope John VIII), but later repudiated by Rome in the 11th century, retroactively regarding the robber council of 869-870 to be ecumenical.

    The council of 879-880 affirmed the restoration of St. Photius the Great to his see and anathematized any who altered the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed, thus condemning the Filioque.

    From Western sources:

    **”It is not easy to justify the fact, that the Western Church recognized for more than two hundred years the so-called Photian Synod (879-880) as an ecumenical council. It was a “successful council of union” and reconciliation between patriarch Photius and Pope John VIII. Only after the schism was this recognition withdrawn for the benefit of the Ignatian synod (869-870) which until today is considered in the Catholic Church as an ecumenical council.”**

    “Cf. Johan A. Meijer, A Successful Council of Union: A Theological Analysis of the Photian Synod of 879-880 (Analekta Vlatadon, 23), Thessaloniki 1975; Alexis van Bunnen, Le Concile de Constantinople de 879-880, “Contacts” 33 (1981), pp. 6-40, 211-234; 34 (1982), pp. 47-61; W. Hryniewicz, Focjanski Synod, in: Encyklopedia Katolicka, vol. V, Lublin 1989, col. 353-356.”

    From chapter 11 @ of

    The Challenge of Our Hope: Christian Faith in Dialog, Polish Philosophical Studies, VII By Waclaw Hryniewicz

    Also see: Catholic National Library for listing of Meijer’s work,%20Patriarch%20of%20Constantinople

  202. Fr. Joseph January 24, 2010 @ 9:41 pm


    Hate to tell you this…I don’t want to hear any more of it.

    Canon 12 of the Council of Chalcedon prohibits EMPERORS installing ANY Bishop or Bishops in the Church.

    That’s my ‘Catholic’ position on the Catholic-Orthodox Schism. The ‘filioque’ was included in the Nicene Creed TO COMBAT ARIANISM and not to give a Byzantine Emperor and his hand selected appointee to be Patriarch of Constantinople to cause and maintain SCHISM!

    – Fr. Joseph

  203. The Prodigal Son January 24, 2010 @ 9:49 pm

    Fr. Joseph,

    From your link…

    ‘Should the Latin Church come to omit the filioque from its version of the Nicene Creed, precedent can be claimed from Pope Leo III. Tradition can be invoked from the Council of Ephesus, which, as mentioned, intended that the Creed remain unchanged, as a common profession of faith for the whole Church, East, and West.

    (…) The filioque clause was the main subject discussed at the 62nd meeting of the North American Orthodox-Catholic Theological Consultation, which met at the Hellenic College/Holy Cross Greek Orthodox School of Theology in Boston from June 3 through June 5, 2002, for their spring session.

    As a result of these modem discussions, it has been suggested that the Orthodox could accept an “economic” filioque that states that *the Holy Spirit, who originates in the Father alone, was sent to the Church “through the Son”* (as the Paraclete)’…

    / *This is EXACTLY the argument I used in our last discussion. You did not seem to accept this interpretation (but Charlie did)… I said the Spirit proceeds FROM the Father THROUGH the Son but not FROM the Son*… /

    ‘Recently, an important, agreed statement has been made by the North American Orthodox Catholic Theological Consultation, on October 25, 2003. This document, The Fiioque: A Church-Dividing Issue?, provides an extensive review of Scripture, history, and theology.

    Especially critical are the recommendations of this consultation, for example:

    (…) 6. That the Catholic Church, as a consequence of the normative and irrevocable dogmatic value of the Creed of 381, USE THE ORIGINAL GREEK TEXT ALONE in making translations of that Creed for catechetical and liturgical use.

    7. That the Catholic Church, following a growing theological consensus, and in particular the statements made by Pope Paul VI, declare that the condemnation made at the Second Council of Lyons (1274) of those “who presume to deny that the Holy Spirit proceeds eternally from the Father and the Son” NO LONGER APPLICABLE.’

    I’m happy with what I’ve listed here if you are.

  204. Fr. Joseph January 24, 2010 @ 10:35 pm


    The FOURTH Bishop of Rome, Pope St. Clement 1, did NOT convoke an ‘Ecumenical Counsel’ in order do deal with the problems in and with the GREEK CHURCH in Corinth.

    Read for yourself “The Epistle to the Corinthians” down on this webpage:

    He did NOT confer with either the See of Jerusalem nor the See of Alexandria – and the See of Constantinople was “nowhere to be seen or heard of” on the horizon.

    Some biblical-Church history scholars have put Pope Clement 1’s letter to the GREEK CHURCH in Corinth at a time when the Apostle ST. JOHN himself was STILL alive and was STILL the Bishop of Ephesus.

    If that be so, the GREEK CHURCH in Corinth had a still ALIVE Apostle, St. John, just a short distance away in comparison to ROME – and it was the BISHOP OF ROME, not the Bishop of Ephesus, who pulled ‘Authority’ over and on the GREEK CHURCH in Corinth.

    Now let me say this to you in a very GENTLE way and in such a way so as to make you THINK and REFLECT…

    Is it going to take an ‘ECUMENICAL COUNCIL’ of ALL the Bishops of the Church Militant here on earth to come to a UNANIMOUS AGREEMENT that our World is in one ‘hell’ of a mess – and that our World really and truly DOES face the peril of a thermonuclear Third World War?

    And that UNTIL that sort of ‘ECUMENICAL COUNCIL’ does take place thus establishing a UNANIMOUS AGREEMENT that we are supposed to just ‘PRETEND’ that such dangers DON’T exist because they have not been ‘canonically defined’ by an Ecumenical Council of the Bishops of the Church here on earth?

    The Office of the Bishop and the Offices of ALL the Bishops of the Church combined DOES NOT dispense our God-given spiritual ability TO REASON, my dear woman!

    There are any number of PAGAN and NEW AGE cults and sects throughout our World. And many who practice VOO-DOO and HOO-DOO regularly exercise their ‘cult-religious’ CRAFTS in order to conjure up GOOD FORTUNE in the midst of this royally fouled up World.

    And there are ‘New-Agers’ who gather around ROCKS and CRYSTALS and schedule SYCHRONIZED rituals over these CRYSTALS in order to invoke their ‘Harmonic Convergence’ in order to bring PEACE to our World!

    Now the MOTHER OF GOD herself has ALREADY given the BISHOPS of the Church a ‘Divine Formula’ by which THEY can invoke her Son Jesus, Christ the King Who has been given all Power and Authority over ALL of Creation by His Divine Father in order to obtain for our entire World – WORLD PEACE!

    Now all of this PAGAN, all of this NEW-AGE non-sense these people ARE doing in order to invoke some sort of BLESSING upon themselves is NOT resulting in any ‘World Peace’ – but you have to hand it to these PAGANS, these NEW-AGERS, that at least they are TRYING to invoke blessing and peace to and for our World.

    My dear KathJuliane – IT TROUBLES AND VEXES ME TO NO END that you Orthodox would rather PERSIST in continuing on with these reasons for a 900+ year old SCHISM – than to get YOUR Bishops with MY Bishops in order to get OUR BISHOPS doing that which the MOTHER OF GOD herself wants DONE in order to have her Divine Son Jesus, Chirst the King of all that is seen and Unseen, graning us ALL ‘World Peace’!

    The bloomin’ PAGANS and NEW-AGERS of our World seem to have MORE ‘SENSE’ in the face of these global dangers and perils that we are ALL facing!

    – Fr. Joseph

  205. Fr. Joseph January 24, 2010 @ 11:44 pm

    If EVERYTHING simply MUST BE centered upon and entirely FOCUSED on and totally RELIANT on





    St. John Chrysostom

    And from CONSTANTINOPLE, we have the words of an OFFICER OF THE COURT OF CONSTANTINOPLE from St. Nilus:

    “…and Christian pastors, BISHOPS, and PRIESTS will become vain men, completely FAILING TO DISTINGUISH the right-hand way from the left.

    And BECAUSE of CONSTANTINOPLE’S pastors, Bishops and Priests FAILING TO DISTINGUISH the right-hand way from the left, St. Nilus continues on with prophesying:



    If Christian PASTORS and Christian BISHOPS and Christian PRIESTS become vain men and FAILING TO DISTINGUISH the right-hand way from the left…

    …IS IT ANY ‘WONDER’ why the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Mother of God and Mother of the Church, the Most Holy Theotokos AS Our Lady of Fatima, Portugal back in 1917 A.D. say

    “ONLY I CAN HELP YOU.” – from on-line ref.

    Do we need an ECUMENICAL COUNCIL in order to

    “CONNECT THE DOTS” here on RZN???

    – Fr. Joseph

  206. Lynda January 25, 2010 @ 4:47 am

    Dear Michael K,

    I read your post of Dec 23 and if I understand your thoughts aright, I would say that you begin to perceive world and time with a keen eye.

    All world and time from the Cross is HIS story – the story of our Lord Jesus Christ and King who must reign until all his enemies are under his feet. (Heb 10:13)

    Before his return in glory at the close of the aeon, there must be a restitution of all things in Christ (Acts 3:21) a recapitulation and triumph of Holy Church and the Rights of God.

    That our Lord must gloriously reign as King and rule all nations by means of His Sacred Heart is an infallible dogma of the Roman Catholic Church. Defined by Pope Pius XI, Dec. 11, 1925. Quas Primas.

    Here is where the Roman Catholic Church (now in eclipse) diverges by 180 degrees from the post conciliar JudeoChristianity that is currently in occupation of the infrastructure of the Roman Catholic Church worldwide.

    For the Roman Catholic who would persevere in the holy faith there is no compromise on Quas Primas and its foundation in Holy Scripture.

    A deal has been made everywhere that because of the antipapacy, the dispersal of the flock, the Holy Father now in exile – that the Church is somehow invalidated because of the eclispse, because Rome is now the seat of the antiChrist (it is), because the sacramental life of grace (our Lord’s ordinary will for his people) is extinguished.

    The Abomination of Desolation does stand in what once was the Holy See. Only those who adhere to and believe what the ordinary constant magisterium the Church actually teaches will see it for what it truly is.

    But the strength and the altars will be raised again by a sovereign move of grace.

    This does not mean there are not many good and sincere Catholics attempting to persevere in the holy faith within the post conciliar religion now in occupation of the Roman Catholic structures worldwide. But the more they hold to the faith and continue with their catechism – the more quickly will they learn the truth of what has happened.

  207. Renee January 25, 2010 @ 6:46 am

    I agree with BN to end these posts re: Catholic/Orthodox differences as the threat outside is so much larger than that and those who persist in this can’t see the forest because of the trees.

  208. Stav January 25, 2010 @ 6:17 pm

    Fr. Joseph,

    I think it’s time to drop this.

    After Br. Nathanael’s request, I have read numerous far too many of your invariably themed posts, more than anyone else.

    I have silently agreed to not jump in although I am inclined to, please do the same.

    Let’s drop it, and agree to help Br. Nathanael’s cause, which is most definitely something we can agree on as we are mostly Christian in this site.

    The fact of the matter is, as far as Christian denominations go, it’s only God who can direct the humble to the right direction.

    Let’s leave it at that, and view each other as at least “provisionally” Christian and join in now with the cause.

    I will be happy to drop the subject if you do the same and stop mentioning the same things repeatedly, some of which I still feel a “violent” aversion to, it is clear that this is not the place for this kind of discussion, and I agree with that.

    We have seriously diverted the subject and this is certainly counterproductive. Again, I would ask you to be as non-denominational as possible and avoid controversial subjects/mentions and I will do the same.

    In Christ our Lord,


  209. jhb2 January 27, 2010 @ 4:38 am

    Gentlemen & Gentlewomen,

    YHWH’s grace and peace to you through Messiah Yahushua.

    Bro. Nathanael, thank you again for presenting another cutting edge interview exposing our common and universal foe.

    I have enjoyed the various postings between believers of the Eastern Orthodox & Western Roman Churches (et al), with their claims of apostolic succession, validity, etc.

    Forgive me if I overstep. Personally, my criteria for heavenly authority on earth is based upon the testimony of the Father’s two God-breathed Paracletes sent to humanity as His representatives — viz., the God-breathed Logos’s good report and the Holy Spirit’s (or Sacred Breath’s) validation — especially relating to the reality of resurrection in time/space experience.

    Particularly, I look for resurrection, literally. Men and women can debate till the cock crows at sunrise or the cows come in to the barn at sunset but only YHWH can raise the dead (see “God who brings the dead back to life” – Romans 4:17)!

    I’ll give audience to a funeral-ruining raiser of the dead any day. “For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power” (1 Cor. 6:20). As a mentor of mine once said, “Let the debaters out-talk you; just don’t let them out-miracle you!”

    In that vein I have searched the world over looking for this absolute attestation of the “Gospel of Jesus Christ” being preached — i.e., resurrection being testified by the Scriptures and verified by the Holy Spirit’s acts through human emissaries.

    Personally, I make no claims or boasts of infallibility, nor to long genealogies proving my denomination’s connection to the Church’s earliest forebears — such callings and giftings lie with others far more skilled than I.

    On the other hand, the primitive missionary ministry team that I have chosen to side with has a record of over 400+ resurrections since 1981 (not to mention the countless thousands of creative miracles), with its apostolic-like founder present during 28 of them. I have been privileged to have been involved in three resurrections from the dead and might I verify that one’s dry book theology will never be the same after the Father manifests such exousia, dynamis, energeia, ischys, and kratos (Eph. 1:19-21)!

    I tired of empty rhetoricians long ago and sought ultimate corroboration of heaven’s seal upon the Message, and have been graced to have found what my heart craved.

    Yah be praised!

  210. KathJuliane January 27, 2010 @ 12:44 pm

    Wheat and Tares –

    “The tare” of Scripture is most likely Lolium temulentum, typically known as darnel or cockle. In Europe, any of several weedy vetches grown for forage came to be known as “tares” as well, which is not the same as the biblical tare or poisonous darnel or rye grass. Greek zizanion, which is actually believed to be a transliteration of the Hebrew zunim. In Aramiac the word for tares is zivaney derived from zana which means to commit adultery.

    The plant stem can grow up to 1 meter tall, with inflorescence in the ears and purple grain. It grows plentifully in Syria and Israel. Growing in the same production zones as wheat, the similarity between these two plants is so extensive that in some regions cockle is referred to as *false wheat*. It bears a close resemblance to wheat until the ear appears.

    The ears on the real wheat are so heavy that it makes the entire plant droop downward, but tares, whose spikeheads are light, stands up straight. The result is that, by the time of harvest, the weight of the mature fruit causes the wheat stalk to bow and, as it were, humble itself before its Maker.

    The tare, on the other hand, has no fruit to speak of and, consequently, does not bow but remains proud and erect. The wheat will also appear brown when ripe, whereas the tare is black.

    It parasitizes wheat fields. The French word for darnel is “ivraie” (from Latin “ebriacus”), which expresses that weed’s characteristic of making one feel poisoned with drunkenness, and can cause death. This characteristic is also alluded to in the scientific name (Latin temulentus = drunk). It is often infected by a clandestine fungus that lives symbiotically within its leaves.

    Even though they are carefully separated from the wheat seed, before it is sown, some tares spring up with the wheat to the farmer’s dismay. This is due to the tares which survived in the ground from the previous harvest.

    In the spring, wheat and tares grow together but the tares grow faster and shoot their branches over the wheat, preventing the wheat from growing and ripening. At this stage it is very hard to pull out the tares because the tendrils are wound around the wheat. If the tares are pulled, the wheat will suffer. The work of separation must therefore wait until the harvest season.

    In the East it was not unusual for one to throw seeds of tares in the field of another he was angry with. It took years of hard labor for a farmer completely to eradicate the tares from his wheat fields, and when this was done the farmer rejoices.

    On the other hand, when an Eastern farmer wanted to avenge a wrong done to him by a neighbor, he took some tare seeds in a little bag or in his pocket and at night he scattered them on his enemy’s field. When the tares spring up the owner of the field immediately realizes this dastard act of an enemy but he does not know which of his enemies.

    In this parable the wheat represents the good. Tares are the evil, and can be interpreted on several different levels. Evil and good have always existed together. It is difficult to separate them by punishing the bad, the good will also suffer. Evil and good therefore exist to the end but they will be separated at harvest time.

    The first place to start is within every human heart, and to find the “tares” of the Antichrist already embedded there, for like will ultimately attract like.

    “For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to flesh. For the weapons of our [spiritual] warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds [entrenched spiritual fortresses] arguments [human reason without faith], every high thing that exalts itself against the knwledge of God [human and angelic powers] bringing every thought [ideas] into captivity to the obedience [will, attentive listening and submission] of Christ…” 2 Cor 10:

    As Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn wrote in Gulag Archipelago:

    “If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?

    “During the life of any heart this line keeps changing place; sometimes it is squeezed one way by exuberant evil and sometimes it shifts to allow enough space for good to flourish.

    “One and the same human being is, at various ages, under various circumstances, a totally different human being. At times he is close to being a devil, at times to sainthood. But his name doesn’t change, and to that name we ascribe the whole lot, good and evil.

    “Socrates taught us: “Know thyself.”

    “Confronted by the pit into which we are about to toss those who have done us harm, we halt, stricken dumb: it is after all only because of the way things worked out that they were the executioners and we weren’t.

    “From good to evil is one quaver, says the proverb.

    “And correspondingly, from evil to good.”

    – Part I The Prison Industry, Ch. 4 “The Bluecaps”

    Ordinarily, threshing floors separating the wheat from the chaff was used in the ancient world to separate grain from the chaff in usually a two step process. The threshing floor was either owned by the entire village or by a single family. It was usually located outside the village in a place exposed to the wind.

    There were two possible ways to harvest grain by hand. The first is to cut the grain heads with a sickle or scythe. At one point, like the parable of Matthew, as the wheat begins to bow down from the weight, the tare spikeheads might be cut off and burned before the later harvest of the grain, although this would be labor intensive.

    The second is to pull up the plants if they are to be used for fodder. Obviously, more fodder is available if the entire plant is removed from the soil. Barley is more frequently harvested by pulling because it is used for fodder. As barley grew first, the problem with tares was not so acute.

    First, the cut stalks of grain were spread on the threshing floor and a threshing sledge was pulled over the stalks by oxen. The sledge was a simple wooden sled or heavy board with stone or metal spikes on the bottom that would break the heads of grain from the stalks or accomplished by having the oxen walk over the stalks, or by beating them with heavy sticks.

    The second step was to toss the broken stalks into the air with a large forked tool, usually made out of wood called winnowing. The wind would blow the lighter chaff to one side, while the heavier grain would fall into a pile, which could then be gathered. Because of the need for wind, threshing floors were normally located on hilltops or in large open fields, and were often used as landmarks or meeting places.

    However, one way to deal with the tares, was that both the wheat and the tares are sickled together, and the sheaves are then pitched through a blazing fire, where with some of the chaff the very lightweight tare heads are burned off, with only the heavy wheat heads and their husks passing through the other side.

    The tares are burned with fire so they will not grow again and the wheat is threshed stored in the barn. The good likewise will go to eternal rest and the wicked to the everlasting fire. The other way was to havest the tares after the wheat had bent down, set the bundles aside, harvest the wheat for the storehouse, and then burn the stubble and tares left in the field.

    In our modern age, the Church has adapted herself to the people when it should properly be just the reverse: the people adapting themselves to the Church. This mistake has been made many times by our Church here. But we very well know that these were the “tares” of our Church life, tares which the Lord will not uproot, leaving them rather to grow with the wheat until the time of harvest (Matt. 13, 29-30).

    We also well know (the Lord so taught us) that these tares have their origin in our primeval enemy and enemy of Christ: the devil (Matt. 13, 25-28). But we wield this knowledge in vain if it is not transformed into prayer, the prayer that in time to come Christ will safeguard us from becoming the sowers and cultivators of such tares ourselves.

    In His parable of the tares, the Lord speaks of the deplorable fact that, in this temporary life, the faithful and righteous members of God’s Kingdom cohabit with disgraceful members, whom the Lord calls the ‘sons of the evil one’ as opposed to the ‘Sons of the Kingdom’. In the Evangelist Matthew’s record of this parable, the tares are to be understood both as temptations in ecclesiastical life, as well as people of irreverent and non-Christian behavior.

    The history of the Church is full of events that could not have come from God, e.g., heresies, ecclesiastical distempers and schisms, unjust wars and massacres, religious persecutions, parish hassles and intrigues, and provocative acts of people who sometimes held prominent or even leading positions in the Church. Seeing it, a man far from the spiritual life would be ready to throw a stone of accusation at the Church and the very teaching of Christ.

    In this parable the Lord shows us the actual origin of all acts of darkness, the devil. Were we to have spiritual sight, we would see that there exist real, evil persons, called demons, who relentlessly and insidiously push people towards all things evil, cunningly playing with human weaknesses and manipulating them.

    According to this parable, the instruments of this invisible evil power — people — are not innocent: “But while men SLEPT, his enemy came and sowed tares,” i.e., the devil has a chance to influence men because they do not keep vigil over their own wheatfields.

    The early NT Church of the Apostles’s trial by fire was spiritual as well as external. Heresies sprang up like weeds, and no uniform consensus of faith could be trotted out against them. The word heresy comes from Greek hairoumai, to choose. Heretics were those who chose their own beliefs instead of accepting the Church’s Faith as it stood.

    The Gnostics tried to blend Christianity with a secret wisdom ideal, thinking that salvation came through arcane knowledge, not through the Grace of Christ.

    Judaizers and their passionate adherence and Pharisee love for the Oral Torah, lawless in the guise of law, although Messianic, did not accept either the Apostles authority in place of the ancient unconverted Rabbis or the Apostles’ decision that Christians, circumcised and uncircumcised, do not observe the Pharisee legalistic rigidity of the Mosaic Law and the “traditions of men”, and sowed distrust and discord wherever pastors were too soft to stop them.

    The followers of Marcion believed that the God of the Old Testament was not the same as the Father of Jesus Christ.

    The Manichæans believed physical matter was evil and only pure spirit was good.

    The Montanists rejected the Church’s hierarchy to emphasize spectacular spiritual phenomena and preached a new age of the Holy Spirit.

    The Sabellians held that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were just three “masks” God wore at different times when He did different things; they denied the reality of the Holy Trinity. Very few heresies since that time have been original; most have been mere rehashes of these timeworn follies that have remained as persistent and pernicious tare-seeds in the field.

    The neo-pagan, humanistic, Judeo-Gnostic, Talmudic Kabbalistic, existentialistic, anthropocentric “New Age” religion as the ‘sum of all heresies” in this spirit of the age and the field of tares is choking the life out of faith in Christ.

    In the midst of the confusion and bitterness stirred up by heretical movements, the Church of Christ was like a ship tossed on the sea; yet Christ was its Pilot, and the challenges of persecution and heresy were both overcome. The persecutions ended when the Emperor Constantine, a great friend of Christianity, overcame his pagan enemies, took control of the Roman Empire, and made Christianity legal (in A.D. 312; not till 392 did it become the state religion).

    Why doesn’t God destroy the people who do evil? The parable says, ‘lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them’, which means that the sons of the Kingdom, the good members of the Church, should not be hurt while the sinners are being punished.

    The relations between people in this life are interconnected as closely as roots of plants that grow together in a field. It’s very popular “Christianity” to declare others as the “endtime tares”, and proudly assume they are the good wheat. People are tied together by multiple family and social links; they depend on each other.

    The parable of the tares teaches us to be watchful, i.e., to watch our spiritual condition carefully and not to rely on our righteousness, lest the devil take advantage of our carelessness and sow sinful wishes into us. At the same time, the parable of the tares teaches us to have an understanding attitude towards the life of the church, and to remember that negative things are yet inevitable in this temporary life.

    Has there ever been wheat without any tares? But as the tares have nothing in common with the wheat, so the spiritual Kingdom of God has nothing in common with the evil which may occur inside the church wall. Not everyone in the parish roster, bearing the name of a “Christian”, does in fact belong to the Church of Christ. And I myself and mindful that I am not truly worthy to ever bear the name “Christian”. Nor is it ever possible to justify something that is obviously not Christian to begin with.

    The Kingdom of God does not only contain a teaching, for people to accept by faith. It has a great and grace-filled power, able to transform the entire world of a human soul. It is this internal power of His Kingdom that the Lord speaks about in the next parable.

    At every Orthodox Divine Liturgy, just prior to receiving the Holy Eucharist, we chant a hymn –

    ‘Of Thy Mystic Supper, O Son of God,
    Accept me today as a communicant;
    I will not speak of Thy Mysteries to Thy enemies,
    Neither will I give Thee a kiss as did Judas;
    But like the thief I will confess Thee:
    Remember me, O Lord in Thy Kingdom.’

    IC XC
    NI KA

  211. Lynda January 28, 2010 @ 12:23 am


    Jan 19, 2010

    “Is the Orthodox Church in error in terms of theology.”


    State your thesis and the Catholics will address it from Sacred Scripture, Patristics and the first Seven Ecumenical Councils ALONE.

  212. czarina January 28, 2010 @ 8:37 pm

    What does everyone think of the Book of Enoch and the nephilim/watchers? Some say that the illuminati bloodlines are descendants of the nephilim. Is it the Freemasons who have been hiding this part of apocrypha and using it for evil purposes, or did the Vatican suppress it for fear that people will use it for Enochian magic/invoking the spirits of the fallen angels?

    Does anyone know the position of the Catholic and Orthodox churches on Enoch and and the rite of exorcism?

    Also, what does the symbol of the double headed eagle on some Orthodox churches mean?

    Also, triangles with an eye in the middle on some icons I’ve seen?

    How about entering the church, crossing yourself, kissing an icon and putting money on the icons? What does all this mean? I’m trying to learn about the symbols and Enoch.

    Thanks to all.

  213. Emmett Freeman February 4, 2010 @ 12:07 pm

    When we die or our day of reckoning comes, the Jews will be asking Jesus for forgiveness.

    Whether they are forgiven is another matter. After refusing to believe Jesus is our Messiah, for centuries, will they actually receive forgiveness?

  214. Gregory Laux February 5, 2010 @ 1:45 am

    Emmett, the question is not about asking to be forgiven, as that falls short of God’s demands of justice that the sinner must meet to be forgiven by God.

    All those who remained stubborn in their sins so as to not reconcile with those they harmed will receive the same lack of mercy from God that they gave to their victims of the sins they committed.

    It is the anti-Christ spirit that wants the option to do evil with no eternal consequences to doing that evil, when God has given all sinners plenty of opportunities and graces to go back to those you sin against and make things as close to right again as possible.

    The scripture refers to this restoration as being required before God will even consider forgiving a sinner. Christ said that you cannot love God if you think it is okay for you to force someone to live with injustice and harm that you are the cause of creating in their lives.

    Christ also makes it more than clear that God is impartial in rendering judgment to souls. He said more than once that the level of mercy a soul shows for the victims of their sin is the level of mercy that God will show the sinner soul on judgment day.

    It is our modern world that likes to say that the love and mercy of God make it so that God will be kinder and more compassionate with sinners than the sinners were to those they sinned against, but the modern misunderstanding of who God is and what His will is for humanity is based upon apostasy throughout most churches.

  215. Fr. Joseph February 7, 2010 @ 9:05 pm

    “The the dragon was enraged with THE WOMAN and went away to make war on the rest of her children, that is, all who obey God’s Commandments and bear witness for Jesus.”
    – Revelation 12:17

    “1963 – The Enthronement of the Fallen Angel Lucifer was effected within the Roman Catholic Citadel on June 29, 1963; a fitting date for the historic promise about to be fulfilled. As the principal agents of this Ceremonial well knew, Satanist tradition had long predicted that the Time of the Prince would be ushered in at the moment when a Pope would take the name of the Apostle Paul. That requirement – the signal that the Availing Time had begun – had been accomplished just eight days before with the election of the latest Peter-in-the-Line. …

    “The whole delicate affair was placed in the experienced hands of the Prince’s trusted Guardian in Rome. A master of the elaborate Ceremonial of the Roman Church, so much more was this granite-faced, acid-tongued prelate a Master of the Prince’s Ceremonial of Darkness and Fire. The immediate aim of every Ceremonial, he knew, is to venerate “the abominaaaaation of desolation”. But the further aim now was to be oppose the Nameless Weakling in His stronghold, to occupy the Weakling’s Citadel during the Availing Time, to secure the Ascent of the Prince in the Citadel as an irresistable force, to supplant the Citadel’s Keeper, to take full possession of THE KEYS entrusted to the Keeper by the Weakling. …

    “The news that his Chapel has been Authorized as the Targeting Chapel for such a great Event as the Enthronment of the Prince witin the heart of the Roman Citadel itself was supremely gratifying. More to the point, Leo’s vast Ceremonial knowledge and experience saved a lot of time. There was no need, for example, to test his appreciation of the contradictory principles uopn which all worship of the Archangel is structured. No need to doubt his desire to encompass the ultimate strategy in that battle – the end of the Roman Catholic Church as the papal institution it had been since the Nameless Weakling had founded it.

    “There was no need even to explain that the ultimate aim wasn’t exactly to liquidate the Roman Catholic organization. Leo understood how unintelligent that would be, how wasteful. Far better to make that organization into something truly useful, to homogenize and assimilate it into a grand worldwide order of human affairs. To confine it to broad humanist – and only humanist – goals.

    “Like minded experts that they were, the Guardian and the American Bishop reduced their arrangements for the twin Ceremonial Events to a roster of names and an inventory of Rubrics.

    “The Guardian’s list of names – the Participants in the Roman Chapel – turned out to be men of the highest caliber. High-ranking churchmen, and laymen of substance. Genuine Servitors of the Prince within the Citadel. Some had been selected, co-opted, trained and promoted in the Roman Phalanx over the decades, while others represented the new generation dedicated to carrying out the Prince’s agenda forward for the next several decades. All understood the need to remain undetected; for the Rule says,


    – Fr. Malachi Martin – “Windswept House”

    – Fr. Joseph

  216. Fr. Joseph February 8, 2010 @ 1:50 am

    “I will make you enemies of each other:
    you and the Woman
    your offspring and her offspring
    It (the Church) will CRUSH YOUR HEAD
    and you will strike its heel.” – Gen. 3:15

    “The seventy-two came back rejoicing, ‘Lord’ they said ‘even the devils submit to us when we use Your Name.’ He said to them ‘I watched Satan fall like lightning from heaven. Yes, I HAVE given you power to tread underfoot serpents and scorpions and the WHOLE STRENGHT of the enemy.” – Luke 10:17-20

    “The Pope must therefore fix in advance, the DAY and the HOUR of this Consecration. Sister Lucia remarked that it would be easy for THE BISHOPS to accomplish this Consecration exactly at the same time all over the face of the earth.” – from

    The Consecration of Russia to the Immaculately Loving Heart of God Incarnate’s Own Mother VERSUS the Enthronement of the Fallen Angel in the ROMAN Catholic Church’s Citadel is but a REPLAY of the Preternatural-Supernatural CONTEST waged IN PUBLIC in a SOLEMN WAY between the fall prophets of the false god ‘Baal’ and Father St. Elijah on MOUNT CARMEL as recorded in the book of 1 Kings 18:20-40

    1 Kings 18:40:

    “Seize the prophets of Baal; do not let one of them escape.’ They seized them, and Elijah took them to the wadi Kishon, and HE SLAUGHTERED THEM THERE.”

    “But as for My enemies who did not want Me for their King – BRING THEM HERE AND EXECUTE THEM IN MY (DIVINE) PRESENCE.” – Jesus Christ – SON of the Blessed Virgin Mary – Luke 19:27

    – Fr. Joseph

  217. Fr. Joseph February 8, 2010 @ 10:29 am

    We are ALL being given to see just how callous, cold, indifferent, violent, brutal, hostile, spiteful, arrogant, selfish, self-serving our “World” has become towards the welfare and well-being of the human spirit, a spirit created by God in the Image and Likeness of Himself.

    All of these ills having been and are being made manifest againt our Human Race throughout our contemporary “World”, in the myriad of ways these ills make themselves manifest in our political, civic, social and economic orders and throughout the manifold spheres-of-influence in, with and over our daily lives is MEANT TO TEACH US ALL but one thing:

    We are all in DIRE NEED of a “Savior” Who can save us from all of these manifesting ills and evils throughout our ‘World’.

    We are a “doomed” people on account of our unwillingness to recognize we HAVE BEEN given a ‘Savior’ – and we are a “doomed” people if we are UNWILLING to recognize, accept and implement what our Savior desires from us all so as to bring down our Savior’s Divine Powers and Supernatural Abilities by which He can SAVE US by His Supernatural Ways and Means.

    Until that time when the Savior’s CHURCH complies with the Lord’s Desire for a PUBLIC and SOLEMN Collegial Consecration of Russia to the Immaculately Loving Heart of THE WOMAN who loved and loves God and loved and loves all of Mankind SO PERFECTLY and completely so as to agree to conceive and give birth to the DIVINE SAVIOR of our entire Human Race, all that is left for us, all that we can, might or expect as our ‘lot-in-life’ is the relentless continuation of these INCESSANT OBSESSIONS of those who promote the destruction of human nations and the destruction of human beings’ spirits and the destruction of that sort of life and living they were and are meant to live per our All-good God’s Desired Designs being FORCED upon one and all.

    – Fr. Joseph

  218. Fr. Joseph February 8, 2010 @ 10:45 am

    Of the Old Testament Patriarch JOSEPH, it is written:

    “Pharoah said to Joseph, ‘I hereby make you governor of the whole land of Egypt.’ Pharoah took the ring from his hand and put it on Joseph’s…There was a famine all over the World – Then Joseph OPENED ALL THE GRANARIES and sold grain to the Egpytians.”
    – Genesis 41:41-42; 56-57.

    It was to PETER, the DIVINE SAVIOR of our World and our Human Race said:

    “So I now say to you; You are Peter and on this rock I will build My Church. And the gates of the underworld can never hold out against it. I WILL GIVE YOU ‘THE KEYS’ of the Kingdom of Heaven – whatever you BIND ON EARTH shall be considered bound in Heaven, whatever you loose on earth shall be considered loosed in Heaven.” – Matthew 18:19-20

    The Patriarch JOSEPH was able to OPEN THE GRAINERIES in order to feed STARVING PEOPLE because he was given the AUTHORITY to do so by the supreme ruler of Egypt, the Pharoad.

    The Divine Creator of all that is seen and Unseen gave ‘The Keys’ of His Kingdom. And the holder of those ‘KEYS’ has it is his ability, has it is his ‘power’, to open up the Divine Spiritual GRANARIES OF HEAVEN which can spiritual FEED our entire Human Race with every manner of Divine Help, Assitance and Blessing!

    If the holder of ‘The Keys’ REFUSES to utilize them in order bring down Supernatural ASSISTANCE for our satanically enslaved and spiritually STARVING World and Human Race of 2010 Anno Domini, then we might as ALL accept we are “doomed” and that we are ALL “gonna die”.

    – Fr. Joseph

  219. charlie February 8, 2010 @ 1:25 pm

    Forgive my lack of eruditity, however.

    The real victory over sin and the devil is the Eucharist.

    “Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you can have no life in you”

    A hard saying but the apostles, closest to Jesus, remained with him nevertheless, whilst the rest of the disciples, murmured amongst themselves “who can accept such sayings?”
    and moved away from Him.

    The great power of the Catholic church in the world throughout the centuries; which had been attributed by Jesus, from the very beginning, therefore, to this sacrament …….. was the focus of Satans attention.

    But what is this sacrament.

    Is it merely symbolic?

    And thus long after the symbolism has been extinguished by frequent use we are left with nothing?

    Well, yes, if the Archfraternity of Satan within the Catholic church gets its way.

    The new rite of the Eucharist as devolved from the Second Vatican Council, was engineered to do that and has suceeded to a large extent.

    But not entirely.

    “Nowhere then is the perfect offering to be made.”

    Destroy the Eucharist, as a sacramental union of Christ with his Church and you have cut off the Church from the true vine, which is Christ.

    This sacramental union was the first thing to disappear from the “church” which emanated from the Protestant revolt.

    Orthodox can fill me in as when, in what year exactly since the founding of the Church of God, they no longer began to receive the sacrament, for it is no longer valid without kneeling.

    The Catholic church also went this way after the Second Vatican Council …..this is why it fell.

    Again, as in Jesus time, a hard saying, who can bear it…..?

    It bears repeating:

    “Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you can have no life in you.”

    From the self righteous Orthodox amongst you, to the Protestant nonsense, and now with this final victory Satan moved to extinguish faith completely in the world by devolving the Catholic Sacrament ….the unifying and vivifying force within the Catholic church for 2000 years, into an abomination of God, and all that he stands for, that is Holy and Divine.

    And all without a wimper from the ministers who should have known better.

    Those who did feel an inner revulsion rather than stand and fight, as did Marcel Lefervre, and those that held firm to this day to the Holy Tradition, put their tail between their legs and ran. They were many.

    With nothing anymore to attract men and women to the Inner Life the church degenerated to the level of a joke as was by that time the rest of the institutionalized churches. New vocations dried up and existing vocations “went south.” with only the individual inner contemplation of God, which is forever beyond the reach of Satan, left. And how He wishes to remove even, if he could, us from that.

    But old timers still remain, and seeing the writing on the wall finally, moves began to steer the Church back in the right direction, as per the vision and prophecy of St Don Bosco;
    begun by Pope John Paul II, and continued today by Holy Pope Benedict XVI.

    Maybe the devil can, with some individuals, remove the inner contemplation of God. That is a tragedy in itself.

    Hence the warning by Christ: –

    “When I return, will I find faith on Earth?”

  220. Fr. Joseph February 8, 2010 @ 1:48 pm

    There are PATRIARCHS within the Catholic Church – both Western Catholic and Eastern Catholic. There are PATRIARCHS within the Orthodox Church – both Western Orthodox and Eastern Orthodox..

    The New Testament ‘Patriarch OF Patriarchs’ just so happens to be St. JOSEPH.

    In the Gospel of St. Matthew, we read what a ‘real & true’ PATRIARCH did when thrown into and having to confront the following situation:

    “After they had left, an angel of the Lord apeared to JOSEPH in a dream and said, ‘Get up, take the Child and His Mother with you, and escape into Egypt, and stay there until I tell you, because HEROD intends to search for the Child AND DO AWAY WITH HIM.’ So JOSEPH got up and, taking the Child and His Mother with him, left that night for Egypt, where he stayed until Herod was dead.” – Gospel of St. Matthew, Matthew 2:13-15

    No ‘PATRIARCH’ from the Western Catholic Church, from the Eastern Catholic Church, from the Western Orthodox Church, from the Eastern Orthodox Church NEEDS AN ‘ANGELIC MESSANGER’ to have the following on-line and in-the-public-domain INFORMATION placed into their hands to READ:

    “The THIRD WORLD WAR must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the ‘agentur’ of the ‘Illuminati’ between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World’.” – from

    And NO ‘PATRIARCH’ of the Western Catholic Church, the Eastern Catholic Church, the Western Orthodox Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church needs an ‘ANGELIC MESSANGER’ in order to have this INFORMATION placed squarely into their ‘Patriarch’s’ hands:

    World Peace or the Annihilation of Nations?

    The PATRIARCH of all of the Christian Church’s Patriarchs personally undertook those necessary ACTIONS with which TO PROTECT the Christ Child and His Mother!

    How is it possible that the Patriarchs of the Western-Eastern Catholic Church and the Patriarchs of the Western-Orthodox Church are going to sit there and DO NOTHING WHATSOEVER in order to protect the CHILDREN and the WOMEN under their Patriarchial-Ecclesiastical CHARGE-OVERSIGHT-CARE???

    But they WILL argue over who gets to be called ‘His Beatitude’ and ‘His Excellency’!

    May GOD INCARNATE and His Mother have MERCY upon us all and grant us Their FORGIVENESS!

    – Fr. Joseph
    Nazareth Hermitage – USA

  221. charlie February 8, 2010 @ 7:48 pm

    Regarding “Patriarchs”,

    “But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Saducees coming to the baptism, he said to them:

    ‘Brood of vipers, who hath shown you how to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth then fit fruit of repentance: and think not to say within yourselves, “We have Abraham for father.”: for I say to you that God is able of these stones to raise up children to Abraham.

    ‘Yea, even now the axe is lain to the root of the trees; every tree therefore that is not bringing forth good fruit is to be cut down and cast into the fire. I indeed baptise you with water unto repentance; but he who cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear. [note: communicants] He shall baptize you with the Holy spirit and with fire.

    ‘His winnowing fan is in his hand, and he will clean out his threshing floor; he will gather his wheat into the barn, but will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.’

    St Matthew 3:7-12.

  222. charlie February 8, 2010 @ 8:18 pm

    …How many Pharisses and Saduccees are in positions of power within the churches ?????

  223. iam.destroyer February 9, 2010 @ 1:23 am

    If any of you want to take a break from discussing who the most righteous Christian church belongs to you could watch this professionally produced documentary.

    It clearly shows that the Jews are only at the top of the pyramid and the real problem is Zionist Christians as they are the ones who carry out the crimes against mankind.

  224. czarina February 9, 2010 @ 2:56 pm

    Greetings to all, this is a very interesting discussion. I was wondering if anyone has any thoughts on my questions of January 28?

    Or any idea where I can find definitive answers? Thanks to all.

  225. Fr. Joseph February 9, 2010 @ 3:43 pm

    Dear iam.destroyer,

    Just to clarify the ‘Big Picture’ – it is an CREATED ELEMENTAL SPIRIT who we members of this race of created incarnate spirits refer to by the name of ‘Lucifer’ or ‘Satan’ who is at the ‘Top Of The Corporate Structure of the Organized Evil’ which has befallen and is currently falling upon our World and our Human Race.

    The Doctrinal-Dogmatic Assertion of the Church Militant here on earth is this:

    That our CREATOR Who created all seen incarnate spirits and all elemental spirits took on our human nature in the womb of a Woman who the human race knows by the name of ‘Mary’ – a.k.a. the Blessed Virgin Mary, a.k.a. the Mother of God, a.k.a. the Most Holy Theotokos.

    This Woman, in her appearances as Our Lady of Fatima, Portugal back in 1917 A.D. informed our Human Race that her Son, God Incarnate, the Divine Word by Whom all things came into being and by Whom all things are sustained in being-existence would give us all WORLD PEACE if the Ecclesiastical Hierarchy of her Son’s Church here on earth would preform a public and solemn Collegial Consecration of Russia to her Immaculately Loving Heart.

    THAT assertion-revelation on her part is the current cause for your seeing these exchanges between Catholics and Orthodox here on RZN that you interpret as who is more ‘righteous’.

    It is NOT a matter of ‘righteousness’ in asserting who is ‘doctrinally correct’ – it IS a matter of our Human Race’s and World’s VERY SURVIVAL which is at stake.

    I cannot help those here from the Orthodox Church relentlessly denying and denouncing the Mother of God’s appearances at Fatima, Portugal.

    For any ORTHODOX to accept the Mother of God’s appearances, messages and instructions as Our Lady of Fatima is to HAVE TO ADMIT that the Orthodox Church’s theology regarding the TWO PIVOTAL ISSUES of 1) the Immaculate Conception of the Mother of God and 2) Petrine Primacy are WRONG!

    For any member of the Orthodox Church TO DARE entertain the thought they they are WRONG, they equate with the notion of LOSING their eternal salvation!

    Hope that helps you to understand that ‘underlying currents’ of these postings between Catholics and Orthodox here on RZN that you view as attempt to assert who is ‘more righteous’ in the Sight of God.

    – Fr. Joseph

  226. Fr. Joseph February 9, 2010 @ 3:57 pm

    Dear iam.destroyer,

    Now about ‘the Jews’ being at the ‘Top of the Pyramid’…

    In our contemporary time-space-matter-energy WORLD, you can say that but you MUST ask yourself ‘From WHERE do these JEWS get their ideas, game-plans, instructions, inspiration, enthusiasm, etc. in DOING and CARRYING OUT their plans-agendas, etc.?’

    Theologically and ontologically, you MUST come to understand that there ARE such things as 1) incarnate spirits/human beings and 2) elemental spirits.

    Just as I am a HUMAN BEING of real flesh and blood who is conveying this information of mine TO YOU via the time-space-matter-energy conduits of the Internet, PC computers and the physical laws of nature of God’s Seen Creation – there are ELEMENTAL SPIRITS who are not impeded by the ‘obstacles’ of time-space-matter-energy on account of their NOT having a ‘physical body’ with which and by which they operated.

    The generic title-grouping of close knit tribals knows by the nomenclature of ‘JEWS’ have as their current ‘holy tradition’ their Babylonian Talmud AS WELL AS what is known as ‘The Kabbalah’.

    In ‘The Kabbalah’ is contained the section known as ‘The Zohar’.

    Their ‘Zohar’ provides them with ‘sacred names’ by which they INVOKE, CONJURE and CALL UPON elemental spirits to grant them increased ‘power’, ‘abilities’ – in short, the application of ‘MAGICK’ upon the manifold elements and manifestations of God’s Own seen created all – up to and including influencing the thoughts, beliefs, actions, behaviors and emotions of other PEOPLE.

    Once you begin to understand that these Khazar Jews with their Babylonian Talmud coupled with their Kabbalah/Zohar are using these unseen “esoteric-spiritual” LINKS to Satanic demonics in order to gain power and influence and control over ‘The Goys’ all across our contemporary World – they you might be able to understand our CATHOLIC position here on RZN that the Christian Church MUST CALL UPON ‘THE WOMAN’ of Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12:17 as per her own Fatima, Portugal Messages and Instructions arising out of her 1917 A.D. Apparitions-Visitation from Heaven.

    “The World Struggle is NOT political or economic. Rather, it is religious and theological. It is either GOD or atheism.”
    – U.S. 5 Star General Douglas MacAruthur to visiting Catholic Bishop Fulton Sheen in Allied Occupied Japan.

    Our Lady of Fatima’s SON just so happens to be GOD INCARNATE HIMSELF!

    Hopefully, that helps you get a glimpse of ‘The Big Picture’.

    – Fr. Joseph

  227. Fr. Joseph February 9, 2010 @ 6:02 pm

    Dear iam.destroyer,

    It’s all ‘in-the-public-domain’. Every last person curretnly alive on our planet earth with access to the Internet can read the following for themselves (REGARDLESS of their religious OR non-religious affiliation):

    “Rakovsky then revealed something that at the time was unknown to Gabriel and even to Stalin. He revealed that a higher order than that of Communism existed, whose orders WOULD HAVE TO BE OBEYED. This bears out what Doctor Bella Dodd, head of the Communist Party in New York during the war had said.

    When she reported to Cleon Skousin, second in command of the FBI, she said that whenever she had any difficulty in getting instructions from Moscow because of the war, she was to go to any one of three wealthy capitalists in the Waldorf Towers. What amazed Doctor Dodd was that whenever these men gave instructions, Moscow always ratified them. When asked who the men were, Doctor Dodd refused to name them. But when pressed to say ultimately who ruled this higher order, she replied simply ‘SATAN’.

    “In the course of this history making interview, Rakovsky made it clear that the key to the power of this higher order was MONEY. Rakovsky said, ‘MONEY IS POWER, THE ONLY POWER.’ – quoting from:

    Now please read this ONE ARTICLE put out by the patriotic CATHOLIC organization at ‘Michael Journal’:

    ‘The Pen That Rules The World’

    The read the Gospel of St. Matthew – Matthew 4:8-11

    – Fr. Joseph

  228. Fr. Joseph February 9, 2010 @ 6:16 pm

    Dear iam.destroyer,

    Last, but certain not least, with SATAN at the head of his ‘Corporate Structure of Evil’ having been erected and operating all over our contemporary planet earth in this year of 2010 Anno Domini, this is the ‘REAL & ONLY BIG PROBLEM’ all of us are now confronting, again, REGARDLESS of one’s religious or non-religious affiliation:

    “Examples of slogans include, ‘DEATH TO ALL THINGS LIVING.'” – quoting from

    What that slogan means is this:


    And, at Fatima, Portugal, Our Lady of Fatima said


    And THAT’S because she is the WOMAN of Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12:17.

    – Fr. Joseph

  229. Fr. Joseph February 14, 2010 @ 8:32 am

    Regarding the JEWISH Control of the ‘Catholic Mind’ as well as the ‘isolation’ and the ‘squelching’ and the ‘silencing’ and the ‘burying’ and the ‘ignoring’ of the CATHOLIC MIND throughout our contemporary Secularized and NeoPagan United States of America as well as throughout all of the OTHER nation-states of our World of 2010 Anno Domini, the VERY FIRST paragraph from the VERY Catholic book “Catholic Principles of Politics” by Bishops John A. Ryan and Francis J. Boland EXPLAINS IT ALL to six billion human beings currently living and alive on our God-given planet earth:

    “Chapter 1 – The Natural Law”

    “There are some who deny the existance of natural law and ridicule the term as outmoded, anti-modern, and possessing merely an historical interest. Conceptions of the natural law and of natural rights were peculiar to the Schoolmen, it is averred, but are without legitimate place in modern moral philosophy and politics.

    No substitute exists, however, for the natural law, as a fundamental basis for a rational ethical system, and the result is that much of modern political thought, from the view of ethics, is without principle. POLITICS, WITHOUT THE NATURAL LAW AS AN ETHICAL BASIS, FINDS ULTIMATE EXPRESSION IN THE ABSOLUTE OR TOTALITARIAN STATE WHICH DENIES THE TRADITIONAL DETERMINANTS OF MORALITY AND MAKES THE FIAT OF THE STATE THE MORAL LAW (parens-emphasis mine).

    Political philosophy that rejects the principles of natural law, must also reject the principle that the human personality is a distinct entity, created by God, with rights and duties and destined for an eternal end with God.”

    Just look at what is going on in and throughout these United States of America. Just look at what is going in and throughout all of the other nations-states of our contemporary World of 2010 Anno Domini.

    And people have to ‘doubt’ and have to ‘wonder’ about the Blessed Virgin Mary’s Messages as Our Lady of Akita, Japan 1973 Anno Domini wherein the Mother of God relays that GOD HIMSELF wants to BURN UP this entire planet earth of ours!

    These Khazar Talmudists, these Masons, these Satanists, these Luciferians, these God-rejecting and Christ-rejecting pompous politicos and their piles of fiat currencies along with their corrupted, bought-and-paid-for Judas’ are going to get EVERYONE killed off from the sake of hubris, wrath, envy, jealousy, avarice, gluttony, lust and sloth!

    Too bad the World at large REJECTS the Catholic Church, her teachings, her Sacraments, her Lord and her God!

    – Fr. Joseph

  230. Fr. Joseph February 14, 2010 @ 10:16 am

    If we can truthfully admit/confess to our very selves just how DISAPPOINTED we are with how our lives have turned out in and amid the condition of this World in which we continue to move, live and have our being, then we are MATURE ENOUGH to readily and wholeheartedly dedicate ourselves to Christ the Teacher of Living Life and Christ the King Who Is Lord over ALL that is seen and Unseen.

    Perhaps it has been these past 35 years of mine in working as an aircraft mechanic on both military and commerical aircraft of all sorts and types that has granted me this ‘charism of PERSISTENCE’ in order TO FIX this blasted royally fouled up World via “troubleshooting” the manifold ‘Systems’ that go into making this World of ours ‘work’ or ‘not work’.

    To save EVERYBODY lots and lots of time in their own attempts at “troubleshooting” – here are my finds:

    1) “Is Father Gruner correct that the Consecration of Russia as Our Lady desired has not been executed? I’m very confused. Has the Consecration been accepted?

    “No, the Consecration demanded by Our Lady has NOT been performed by the Pope.

    2) “What is your opinion of Pope John XXIII? Did he really try to stop the Council when he saw what was happening? Did he or did he not believe in Fatima?

    “No, Pope John XXIII did not try to stop the Council. HE DID NOT BELIEVE IN FATIMA (caps emphasis – mine).

    3) “Did the Enthronement (of Satan) described in Windswept House really take place? If so, has it been undone?

    “Yes, it did. It has not been undone.” – quoting from:

    For everyone in the whole-wide-World’s information and personal psycho-spiritual edification and enlightenment:

    “Heaven’s Key To Peace”

    “The Nukes” HAVEN’T gone off as yet – nor has our planet earth been immersed in ‘Fire From Heaven’ as of yet. Hence, we are STILL operating under God’s Divine Mercy.

    E-mail the Bishop of Rome telling him that you have had enough of this SATANIC-ILLUMINIST-KABBALAH-ZOHAR-OCCULT-NEW AGE CRAP going on all over our World of 2010 Anno Domini.

    And in that E-mail to the Bishop of Rome, tell him to “break the glass” that is housing ‘THE KEYS’ in that fire-engire red “Emergency Box” at the Vatican in order TO USE those ‘Keys’ in order free ALL OF US from this Global Satanic Prison that our World has become to and for ALL OF US before we are all ‘Roasted Alive’!

    Nobody else ANYWHERES in our contemporary World is going to do a blasted GOOD thing for our Human Race – you all know that and I know that!

    – Fr. Joseph

  231. Fr. Joseph February 14, 2010 @ 11:11 am

    Here’s a MESSAGE from Fr. Joseph, Flight Attendant in this Catholic Church “777-400” Aft Galley, using the Cabin Interphone in order to TALK TO ANYBODY in the Vatican’s “Flight Deck/Cockpit”.

    Now LOOK – we’ve have had SATANIC ‘HIJACKERS’ having broken into the ‘Flight Deck-Cockpit’ – and they have pulled BOTH Power Levers of our two GE-90’S to the ‘Cut Off’ position!

    We’ve been LOOSING altitude for the past 45 years or so.

    There is NOT ENOUGH altitude in order to gain enough airspeed in order to attempt an AIR-RESTART of the twin GE-90’s!

    We have TERRAIN ahead and the GROUND below – both coming at us FAST!

    Can, would somebody – ANYBODY – up there in the Vatican’s “Flight Deck-Cockpit” – would you PLEASE fire up the AUXILARY POWER UNIT, get some COMPRESSED AIR to the GE-90’s air turbine starters, push the Throttles up to IDLE in order to get our Catholic Church’s twin GE-90s FIRE UP AGAIN!

    Somebody, ANYBODY, there in the Vatican’s “Flight Deck-Cockpit” crank in the Transponder to “7-7-7-7-“!

    God’s Divine ‘A.T.C.’ Controllers will SEE your distress call and immediately launch Supernatural-Angelic INTERCEPTORS to the Church’s aid.


    Engage the Supernatural UTILITY BUSES to get POWER back on-line throughout the aircraft!

    ‘THE BATTERY’ is almost DEAD!

    And somebody up there in the FOWARD GALLEY, go make a POT OF COFFEE for the Vatican’s Flight Deck-Cockpit!

    Make them ‘SMELL THE COFFEE’ in order to WAKE THEM UP!

    – Fr. Joseph

  232. StMichael February 20, 2010 @ 12:47 am


    You correctly stated:

    “…that unless one takes the Body AND the Blood they will not be with the Father…”

    Remember, if you receive the Sacred Host without receiving the Precious Blood, you are still receiving the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

    You are not receiving “only part of Jesus”!

    Also, there are different rites in the Holy Roman Catholic & Apostolic Church. In the Ukrainian Rite, for example, you receive both the Sacred Host and Precious Blood.

  233. Varsipi February 22, 2010 @ 12:14 am

    As Michael A. Hoffman says in his talk “Judaism, Catholicism, and the Middle East”, the Talmudic-kabbalist Pharisees infiltrated and corrupted the Christian community from
    its inception and their emnity never wavered.

    To read a bit of the history of this, Pinay’s classic “The Plot Against the Church” is available at:

    Also, an brief overview of this, with some excellent quotes from “The Star Spangled Heresy”, can be found here:

  234. czarina March 1, 2010 @ 5:22 pm

    Hello all,

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  235. Fr. John March 12, 2010 @ 9:23 pm


    An unqualified huzzah on this article. I am sending it to every Catholic I know.

  236. czarina March 31, 2010 @ 11:50 am

    Hello fellow human beings, please read this…

    And also watch the movie Human Trafficking with Mira Sorvino.

    It’s not about evil “Catholics,” or “Jews,” or “Muslims,” or “Whites,” or “Blacks,” or “Asians.”

    It’s about a species on this planet that calls itself homo sapien and considers itself superior to all other species here. The animals do not prey upon their own kind. Humans do. The animals only kill to eat. Humans kill with lust and enjoy with pleasure torturing their fellow humans to death.

    Whoever or whatever put humans on this planet, should have had enough of getting its rocks off watching this orgy of sadism of human against human.

    The experiment called Humanity really needs to end. I hope that 2012 is not just another hoax.

    Second coming of Christ? He needs to save humans from each other, but I prefer the precession of the equinoxes and the earth flipping over on its axis theory.

    And if not that, then The Planet of the Apes time has come.

    It really is time for the species homo sapiens to be exterminated from this planet.

  237. Irish Girl November 3, 2010 @ 8:49 pm

    I just wanted to post a link for Fr. Joseph who seemed in one of the pages here to be sticking up for Malachi Martin.

    Martin was used by the AJC as a wily agent along with Cardinal Bea to implement the Vatican II revolution:

    [AND I appreciate this Orthodox guy for posting the LOOK magazine article and the angelqueen docs all easily accessible on one page]

    – What Cardinal Ratzinger, now ‘pope’ Benedict XVI – said was the French Revolution (ergo, masonic) in the Church – a ‘counter syllabus.’ Vatican II was the crowning achievement of the forces of Antichrist for taking over the Chair of Peter.

    I have seen a lot of Orthodox arguing with the Catholics on here, but the Catholics will NOT get their Church back until they unequivocally condemn these usurpers in the papal chair as the Masons, Marranos and apostates they are.

    They are canonically illegal and cannot legally sit in Peter’s chair. Read Paul IV’s papal bull Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio. He wrote this because of the closet Lutherans in the clergy that he was deathly afraid would be elected to the Chair of Peter.

    These men are out promoting syncretism and Masonic ecumenism, not Christianity. They do not bear the four marks of the real Church – which someone above correctly listed as One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic.

    However, lest the Orthodox here ‘gloat’ over the fate of what has happened to the Catholic church, they are NOT bringing up the FACT that many Orthodox clergy have for years been nothing more than communist agents in clerical robes.

    And many of them are also Freemasons, if the pix of “Pope” Paul VI – a Mason and probable Marrano if ever there was one – who completely spoke and acted like a Freemason, especially when addressing the UN and ending his paragraphs with masonic amens of “So mote it Be’ – giving masonic handshakes to said mentioned Orthodox clergy.

    The Freemasons and Marranos have virtually infiltrated every single form of Christianity – Billy Graham, so revered by so many Protestants and Novus Ordoites is 33rd degree, revealed in The Deadly deception by Protestant minister Jim Shaw, who never spoke out against abortion and endorsed Masonic syncretism as well.

    These satanists and Zionists will not be happy until they have managed to wipe out the name of Jesus Christ from the face of the earth.

    This is why you have so many Protesants rejecting the feast day of Christmas – CHRIST’s MASS – from their celebrations, saying it is ‘one of them danged Roman Catholic things! Them danged harlot of babylon people!’ while embracing Jewish religion and practice like eating the seder meal.

    Which the Novus Ordoites are also engaging in thanks to phoney converts like the fellow who runs ITV – Moynihan, or adopting the Levitical diet, a complete rejection of what the angel showed St. Peter in the NT. (Someone needs to pass out those writings of John Chrysostom against the Judaization of Christianity.)

    When I pointed out to several of my mother’s Protestant neighbors who used to happily sing Christmas carols, but decided to stop celebrating HIS birth thanks to being convinced by their pastors, undoubtedly influenced by the AJC controlled materials that they’ve been indulging in.

    Supposedly the AJC has had a stranglehold, at least in the US since the 1940s, on reviewing and controlling both Protestant and Catholic religious texts – that might explain the hammer and sickle in the old modernist Christ Among Us catechism my SNJM nuns used for ‘catechism’ in my mod high school in the 1980s where masses were Woodstock love ins.

    I handed out a very well written defense of the December birthdate by a Protestant guy on and when they still were refusing to celebrate His birthday – I said – ok, well, if you don’t want to do it in December, then you’d better pick a day when you ARE going to do it, otherwise you are going to forget that you SHOULD celebrate His birthday, to which I got the deer in the headlights look.

    I appreciate, Brother Nathanael, that you posted the link showing the Novus Bogus antipope Benedict endorsing the Noachide laws. This goes along with their endorsing Antichrist by telling the Jews that Jesus is not their Messiah and that they are ok to wait for another. St. John clearly says that those who deny Jesus is the Christ is Antichrist.


    There is absolutely no excuse for these so called traditionalists to endorse them as real popes.

    They are too afraid of leaving Peter and too afraid that they will deny the dogma that Peter would have perpetual successors until the end of the world, not thinking that the prophet Daniel predicted that Rome would have to apostasize in order for the Mass to be taken away.

    The continual sacrifice to go out and the abomination of desolation set up in it’s place – the Novus Ordo Missae, written by six Protestant ministers who do not believe in transubstantiation, and two Christ hating rabbis.

    Paul VI had the gall to force this antichrist liturgy on the Church, as predicted by Fr. E. Sylvester Berry in his book THE APOCALYPSE OF ST JOHN in 1921 that Antichrist would be allowed to do by an antipope set up in Rome – to replace the continual sacrifice with an invalid substitute.

    And one only has to look at the fruits of Vatican II and see how rotten they are to realize that the grace is NOT there from Paul 666’s ‘sacraments’ that he foisted on the Church and then had the utter gall to say – ‘the smoke of Satan had entered the Church’ after he was out pouring gasoline and lighting as many matches as possible! What total rot!

    I am going to end my post with what a friend recently wrote to me about the document, explaining to a concerned member of the Catholic clergy what the Hebrew People and their Sacred Scriptures written by Ratzinger and his ilk really meant:

    At the time the report was issued, Joseph Ratzinger was President of the Pontifical Commission that authored it (while he was also Prefect of the Holy Office) and therefore was 100% responsible for its content.

    In the nine years since the commission’s essay came out, I have heard nothing from Ratzinger indicating that he has repudiated it – on the contrary, since he began simulating the role as head of the Church, he has allowed the report to remain on the Vatican’s web pages to this day.

    While I have not read the entire document, my brief perusal of it a few years ago was sufficient to uncover a number of heresies, blasphemies and outright falsehoods that are enough to condemn Ratizinger for all time, if he does not recant this wretched report before he dies.

    Here below are the page numbers to some key texts that have been highlighted for emphasis so you can see how far this man had apostatized prior to his usurpation of the Chair of Peter on 19 April 2005:

    Page 6: At the close of the Introduction, Ratzinger asks his readers why the Christian interpretation of the Old Testament (namely, that the prophecies of the Old Covenant sages regarding the coming Messiah and Redeemer of the world was perfectly fulfilled in the Sacred Person of Jesus Christ) would not look like a “usurpation” of those scriptures to most non-Christians.

    He even answers his own question by announcing that his commission’s report says that the Jewish interpretation of those passages (which clearly express a 100% rejection of Jesus Christ as the prophesied Redeemer of the world) is accepted by the commission as “possible,” meaning that perhaps the Jews are right to reject Christ as the sole and unique Savior of the world.

    Page 23: Ratzinger’s commission then goes on to say that the Jews’ “messianic expectation” (as the wait for their own messiah) “is not in vain.”

    Perhaps to give the reader the idea that Ratzinger believes that the Jews will finally accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God when He returns to judge the world, he employs slippery-trickery language to mask over his message, which is evident by a careful reading of the passage, once the reader understands that the person he describes as “the One to come” will not exactly be Jesus returned in glory and majesty, but someone who “will have the traits of the Jesus who has already come and is already present among us.”

    The conditioning of the reader by Ratzinger to anticipate a future Jewish “messiah” as a benevolent person not unlike Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, sound very much like a deliberate attempt to pave the way for antichrist.

    Page 24: Again, Ratzinger’s commission reasons that, because of “the “Shoah” (the so-called Jewish “holocaust” during WWII) “all the Churches” (whatever that is) have begun “to rethink their relationship with Judaism and to reconsider their interpretation of the Jewish Bible, the Old Testament.”

    The commission then asks, “whether Christians should be blamed for having monopolized the ‘Jewish Bible’ and reading there what no Jew has found.”

    The Ratzinger commission continues, “Should not Christians henceforth read the Bible as Jews do, in order to show proper respect for its Jewish origins?” But the commission conveniently leaves out the fact that every aspect of the Old Covenant was to prepare the way for Jesus Christ.

    It is as if the report was written by the Jews themselves to lecture Christians why they should abandon 2000 years of Christian exegesis in favor of an apostate interpretation of the Old Testament that denies Jesus Christ was the true fulfillment of the Hebrew prophets regarding the coming Redeemer of the world.

    Yet this essay claims to have the Church’s stamp on it from the commanding heights of the Vatican itself! But its very premise is blasphemous!

    It is therefore impossible that this could have come from the true Church with approval of a true Pope or that it was written by a future true Pope as this heresy alone would have disqualified Ratzinger from holding the highest office in the Church and should have caused a loud protest from pole to pole against John Paul II who was in the 32nd year his usurpation of the Chair of Peter at the time.

    No one in the “American church” seems to have heard of this report. Indeed, it is exceedingly doubtful that any of the US bishops even received a copy of it – but, I would not be surprised to learn that every rabbi in New York had gotten one, as the essay was essentially a Vatican report to the synagogue regarding its latest dis-information campaign for advancing the Juda-izing of the modern “church.”

    Page 86: The commission attempts to negate the Church’s traditional interpretation of St. Paul’s condemnation of circumcision by the synagogue as a reference to the mutilations carried out in pagan rituals only.

    But circumcision was specifically condemned by the Church at the Council of Florence in 1442, and again by Pope Benedict XIV (1740 – 1758) in his De Synodo dioecesana, whose condemnation was reinforced in 1952 by Pope Pius XII in his Discorsi e messaggi radiodiffusi.

    In fact, the very first condemnations by the Church, promulgated at the Council of Jerusalem, were against the practices of the Judiac heretics who believed that Gentile converts to the Church could only be baptized after consenting to all the rites of Judaism.

    Among these obsolete rites was circumcision, which became a major issue for the early Church, because Christianity was not just a sect of Judaism but a new religion that fulfilled and superceded the Old Covenant (and its complicated set of laws related to animal sacrifices, “unclean” foods, and what activities were permitted on the Sabbath) and replaced it with a new Covenant (of the ultimate Sacrifice of the Body and Blood of Christ on the Cross and its perpetual, un-bloody renewal through the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass).

    Page 87: Ratzinger’s commission quotes from St. Paul’s Epistle to the Romans (11:28-29) where he says that the Jews, “are beloved for the sake of their ancestors; for the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable,” and then attempts to distill from that passage the idea that there exists today a “definitive,” “loving relationship” between the Church and the synagogue.

    But since Vatican II, “improved relations between Christians and Jews” has been a one-way street as the synagogue continues to slander the memory and character of a holy Pope, Pius XII, who did much to offer assistance to European Jews during WWII, and whose “holiest” book, the Talmud, is full of filthy invective against Jesus Christ, His Immaculate Mother and His followers.

    This is because the “Jews” of today are still the spiritual descendants of the high priests of the Sanhedrin that in 90 A.D. purged from their “canon” of the Old Testament seven whole books and parts of two others because those books contained the prophecies regarding the coming Redeemer of mankind, that were most obviously fulfilled in the Sacred Person of Jesus Christ, and therefore, thousands of pious Jews recognized in them the proof that Jesus was the true Messiah and converted to Christianity.

    By 279 A.D., the high priests replaced their truncated Old Testament with the satanic Talmud as the most important book for the Jewish religion.

    Ethnically, the majority of Jews of today cannot claim any ancestral lineage to the Israelites of antiquity because, as Arthur Koestler revealed in his magnum opus, “The Thirteenth Tribe,” they are not in any way descendants of Abraham, Moses, Aaron or Jacob, but are from the Kingdom of Khazaria, which was the territory of a Hunnis tribe in the Caucuses that was wholly unrelated to the ancient Israelites and only adopted Talmudic Judaism in 740 A.D.

    The Khazar Jews later migrated to Russia, Europe and America, and are today know as “Aszkenazis.”

    The Jews of Semitic, Middle-Eastern and biblical ancestry are known as Sephardic Jews, and are despised by the Aszkenazi Jews who have occupied Palestine since the bloody, US-funded Zionist land-grab which was launched in 1948 with the creation of the bandit Zionist state of Israel.

    It is the Aszkenazis that have destroyed countless Christian shrines in Palestine, and have murdered thousands of Palestinian civilians – one-third of whom are Christian – and have displaced five million of them from their homes, their farms and their country.

    It is these same Aszkenazi Jews which Ratzinger’s commission says enjoy a “loving relationship” with the Church. But when Aszkenazi-Zionist revolutionaries approached Pope St. Pius X in 1904 to obtain his blessing for their “return” to the Holy Land, they were met with the pontiff’s stern rebuke:

    “We are unable to favor this movement. We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem – but we could never sanction it. The ground of Jerusalem, if it were not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise. The Jews have not recognized Our Lord; therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people.”

    Page 88: In a footnote at the bottom of the page, the commission subtly attempts to cast doubt on the responsibility of the Jews for Our Lord’s Passion and death, simply because there is no mention of it in St. Paul’s Epistle to the Hebrews, while conveniently brushing aside, by omission, Matthew 27:25: “May His Blood be upon us and our children.”

    Pages 89-93: By quoting a series of biblical sound bytes, the commission then attempts to demonstrate a “continuity” between the Church and modern-day Judaism that simply does not exist.

    It says that, “the break between the Jewish people and the Church of Christ Jesus should never have occurred,” but again, conveniently ignores the fact that this divide was chosen by the Jews themselves when Pilate asked them, “Shall I crucify you king?”, and they replied, “We have no king but Caesar” (John 19:15).

    Moreover, quoting John Paul II, the report goes on to say that, “The encounter between the people of God of the Old Covenant has never been abrogated by God and, despite human infidelity, the Lord is faithful to his covenant,” which implies that the Old Covenant of Abraham was not fulfilled and thereby was never superceded by the New Covenant of Jesus Christ.

    This claim is absurd by reason of the sheer magnitude of New Testament passages that make it clear that the Old Covenant was indeed fulfilled, superceded, replaced, and obsolesced by the New Covenant. (Please see the enclosed transcript of a recent sermon by Fr. Louis Campbell that speaks to this very issue, The Restoration of the Holy Sacrifice – 19 September 2010 – set image size to 125% for maximum readability).

    The document concludes by attempting to expand the duty of Christians to love all men (including the Jews) to respecting the false, Christ-hating religion of the Synagogue of Satan as something honorable and worthy of consideration.

    In its advice to Christians concerning their relations with the Jews, the report goes so far as to say that: “the main condition for progress along these lines lies in avoiding a one-sided reading of biblical texts “, or in other words, relinquishing the infallible teaching of the Church for 2000 years as the only authentic interpretation of the Sacred Scriptures that is possible.

    This also necessarily means that Catholics must reject as an absolute certainty the supremacy of the New Covenant over the Old Covenant even though the latter was fulfilled by the Son of God, made Man, Jesus Christ, who redeemed all men by his Passion and Death, and opened the gates of Heaven, making salvation possible to those who would do His will.

    Page 95: In footnote #30 Ratzinger’s report brazenly casts doubt on the reliability of major portions of the Old Testament as accepted and canonized by the Third Council of Carthage in 397 A.D., with the full approval of the Holy See.

    The books in question had been purged by the synagogue in 90 A.D., precisely because, as already mentioned above, they had led to countless conversions to the Catholic Faith in the first and second centuries by pious Jews who had come to realize that the prophecies contained therein had been perfectly fulfilled by Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

    When the Protestant revolutionaries broke with the Catholic Church, they adopted the 16th century Sanhedrin as their mentors and accepted the synagogue’s truncated Old Testament as their own.

    But the Protestants’ hatred of all things Catholic led to an intense blindness, for in rejecting such a large portion of the Old Testament as “apocryphal,” they forfeited for their progeny the authentic canon of the Old Testament whose translation into Greek began at the Council of Alexandria in the third century B.C.

    It was thereafter completed by the 70 Hebrew scholars in 132 B.C. and was quoted by Our Lord and His disciples in the New Testament over 300 times! Ratzinger’s commission nevertheless shamefully suggests that the Protestants were justified in abandoning the ancient and complete Old Testament canon in favor of the synagogue’s truncated one.

    Page 108: In one last blatant attack on the Church’s traditional biblical teaching, Ratzinger’s commission implies in footnote #305 that “the new Israel” spoken of in Sacred Scripture is not to be understood as “the Church” despite centuries of Catholic scripture exegesis to the contrary.

    But, just in case the message of The Hebrew People and Their Sacred Scriptures in the Christian Bible might have been lost on anyone, Vatican spokesman, Joachin Navarro-Valls, said:

    “The expectancy of the Messiah was in the Old Testament, and if the Old Testament keeps its value, then it keeps that as a value too. It says you cannot just say all the Jews are wrong and we are right.” (Please see transcript of Fr. Louis Campbell’s sermon for a rebuttal to these comments, entitled, The New Wine and the Old, 20 January 2002 – set image size to 125% for maximum readability).

    This is just one more indication that the “Church of Vatican II” is an apostate “church” run by a succession of heretical antipopes since 28 October 1958, whose ultimate goal is to deliver the sheepfold into the clutches of the long-prophesied “man-of-sin” (the latter-day “messiah” of the Jews).

    Only a slave to the devil could falsify the Holy Scriptures and attempt to deceive Catholics so insidiously as Ratzinger has done with this report. So – the question necessarily follows:

    Will antichrist set up his throne in Jerusalem or in Rome? Which location would cause the greatest harm to Christian souls? Is he already among us deceiving the faithful like “a roaring lion” while pretending to speak “like a lamb” as the Vicar of Christ, but is secretly the vicar of Satan?

    Here is what the Catholic Fathers and scripture scholars of Oxford, England, had to say about the location of antichrist’s throne in their translation of the Latin Vulgate into the first-ever English-language New Testament, published at the College of Rheims in 1582:

    “St. Augustine . . . and St. Jerome . . . think that this sitting of Antichrist in the temple, doth signify his sitting in the Church of Christ, rather than in Solomon’s temple. Not as though he should be a chief member of the Church of Christ . . .

    But . . . that this Antichristian revolt here spoken of, is from the Catholic Church: and Antichrist, if he ever were of or in the Church, shall be a renegade out of the Church, and he shall usurp upon it by tyranny, and by challenging worship, religion, and government thereof . . .

    And this is to sit in the temple or against the Temple of God, as some interpret. If any Pope did ever this, or shall do, then let the Adversaries [Protestants] call him Antichrist.” (Fathers Gregory Martin, William Allen, Thomas Worthington, and Richard Bristow, from their unabridged commentaries on II Thessalonians 2:3-4 – “Annotations,” The New Testament, 1582, The English College of Rheims, page 558.)

    ” . . . in the beginning of the Church, Nero and the rest of the persecuting Emperors (which were figures of Antichrist) did principally sit in Rome, so also the great Antichrist shall have his seat there, as it may well be (though others think that Jerusalem rather shall be his principal city) yet even then shall neither the Church of Rome, nor the Pope of Rome be Antichrist, but shall be persecuted by Antichrist, and driven out of Rome, if it be possible.

    For, to Christ’s Vicar and the Roman Church he will bear as much good will as the Protestants now do, and he shall have more power to persecute him and the Church, than they have.” (Fathers Gregory Martin, William Allen, Thomas Worthington, and Richard Bristow, from their unabridged commentaries on The Apocalypse 17:5 – “Annotations,” The New Testament, 1582, The English College of Rheims, page 731.)

    Echoing the warnings of the 16th century English Fathers, again in the 20th century, Father E. Sylvester Berry gave Catholic readers in 1921 the benefit of his perception of the events that had already begun to come into focus 37 years before the suppression of the papacy and its usurpation in October 1958 (which continues at this very moment):

    “In the forgoing chapter [12] St. John outlines the history of the Church from the coming of Antichrist until the end of the world . . . In this chapter he shows us the true nature of the conflict. It shall be a war unto death between the Church and the powers of darkness in a final effort to destroy the Church and thus prevent the universal reign of Christ on earth.

    “Satan will first attempt to destroy the power of the Papacy and bring about the downfall of the Church through heresies, schisms and persecutions that must surely follow . . . he will raise up Antichrist and his prophet to lead the faithful into error and destroy those who remain steadfast …

    “It is a matter of history that the most disastrous periods for the Church were times when the Papal throne was vacant, or when anti-popes contended with the legitimate head of the Church. Thus also shall it be in those evil days to come.

    ” . . . Our Divine Savior has a representative on earth in the person of the Pope upon whom He has conferred full powers to teach and govern. Likewise, Antichrist will have his representative in the false prophet who will be endowed with the plenitude of satanic powers to deceive the nations.

    ” . . . As indicated by the resemblance to a lamb, the prophet will probably set himself up in Rome as a sort of antipope during the vacancy of the papal throne . . .

    “. . . Antichrist and his prophet will introduce ceremonies to imitate the Sacraments of the Church. In fact there will be a complete organization – a church of Satan set up in opposition to the Church of Christ.

    “Satan will assume the part of God the Father; Antichrist will be honored as Savior, and his prophet will usurp the role of Pope. Their ceremonies will counterfeit the Sacraments . . .” (Rev. E. Sylvester Berry, The Apocalypse of St. John, 1921, The Catholic Church Supply House, Columbus, Ohio, pages 120-138.)

  238. Irish Girl November 3, 2010 @ 9:25 pm

    Is also another book ALL Catholics SHOULD read to realize what sort of person they are dealing with in Malachi Martin – not that I endorse Blair Kaiser’s modernism and gleefulness over V2 – BUT he clearly exposed what sort of a person Martin was – a wily snake of a man and a double agent who I seriously doubt actually performed valid exorcisms.

    But so many traditionalist Catholics are still entranced with him and refuse to face the truth about him – as they refuse to face the truth about the usurpation of the papal chair by Marranos and Freemasons.

    William F. Strojie, who wrote extensively on the Vatican II revolution before his death in 1989, said the naivete of Catholics has made it possible for the apostasy and the takeover of the Catholic church, anyway, to be as wildly successful as it has.

    I think that the same could be said of Americans who are allowing the marranos and masons to take over the country here with Masons masquerading as Democrats and Republicans, pretending to be against the one world gov’t while doing all they can to promote it and forward it’s agenda.

  239. Irish Girl November 3, 2010 @ 9:57 pm

    I would like to leave one other comment in regards to comments made above about the Old RC –
    It was my understanding from reading about Madame Blavatsky and others that the old RC has been used by devil worshipping Masons and Theosophists who have gone into the Gnostic Catholic underground (also somewhat detailed in Peter Anson’s Bishops at Large which can be bought and is back in print at for the purpose of being able to consecrate eucharists for the black mass.

    Bill Strojie also remarked that Charles Webster Leadbetter, who, also, to my understanding, obtained his ‘orders’ through the Old RC, predicted Paul 6’s Novus Ordo Missae or something very like in his book also from the 1920s, The Science of the Sacraments.

  240. Chenoa January 20, 2011 @ 3:27 pm

    Thank you for the interview with E. Michael Jones.

    I thank God for this man. May God bless him and you.


  241. Yesuah July 24, 2011 @ 12:49 am

    Since beginning of time recorded (Persia and Egypt) the Jews were slaves, as they went along they co-opted stories from their owners cultures and incorporated them into a book. And so, as most repressed cultures do, they created reasons for their plight that alleviated their anguish at having no great collective works or civilization.

    They as desert nomads and slaves were country-less and barbaric (backwards) even until the late 18th century when they for the most part having been rejected by almost every country formed as sons of Zion.

    Indirectly asking their people to come out of hiding and try to compete within the more advanced, far WEALTHIER western cultures in order to secure a place for themselves and perhaps a home country.

    They have done well in certain parts and especially the new world of humanistic rights (USA).

    There are so few of them and they are without cultural wealth that they must continue to spin stories in order to relieve the anguish of the past.

    They now have a small country given to them by westerners, hoping they will relocate there.

    Always at war or raising Socialistic and Marxist ruckus, they generally have a bigger bark then bite and thus gravitate to media and story-telling (religion) (law) (snake-oil salesmanship) to paint a false picture of the past and to manipulate the facts of the present.

    They are good people and good story-tellers but in considerable denial of the past! The words infidel, barbaric, backwards and people of lie have been used to describe them. The Hitler and Joseph Stalin killed more Jews then anyone.

    The books of Karl Marx (a Jew) have resulted in more death and misery (see Mao, Hitler, Stalin, etc) then all the wars of nationalism and religion combined since they were laid down.

    They are welcomed in the world as are all of humanity, but they spin falsehoods in your face.

    Who said tell a lie often enough and soon you will begin to believe it! This is the creed. ….

  242. Matias December 18, 2013 @ 5:22 pm

    Thank God many Catholics are waking up about the Jew control in the church.

    God bless the Roman and the Orthodox Catholic churches!

    Soon they will be one as the Lord asked in His holy prayer in John 17.21. Amen!

  243. Kufuermen, October 11, 2014 @ 9:03 pm

    The Middle East and Islamic Countries Crisis are not good for US, UK, & Jewish Lobby.

    The Christopher Columbus was not a Sephardic Jew! The Jews are very cheep, and third class nation of the World. We can’t say that they are a ‘NATION’, because they have no land on the earth. They are exigencies of the World.

    The Westerners are not only known as history ignoramuses, but double dumbness history. While visiting the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem, Jesus made a point of peace and Justice. You can tell us about, since nobody but believers documented it, a strange wonderful of the Earth.

    The good race hoping for the crown of eternal life, no matter how much the Devil, just like Freemasons.

    Do we have a hope and a sure guide amid the bloodshed, the propaganda barrage, the near-anarchy, the moral disintegration, the uncertainty, the fears and the doubts? Most certainly we have in the whole World.

    Shame on you poor Obama. Shit on Jewish Lobby of the World. Down with Jewish Congress of the World. Israel’s downfall after ISIL Crime should be happening very soon.

    The 15 million Jews (six million of Zionist American Jews, and five million in Israel) can not survive after terse “CRISES” of Middle East and other Muslim Counties.

    Death to America. The innocent people are being killed by ISIL, Who are brokers of women in the World. How many innocent men, women and children are going to be killed as stuff of CIA, MI6, MOSSAD, Freemasons, through ISIL or ISIS, or ISI, & GIA?

    If you want peace, fire all the lawyers. And also it’s better to censure all the Christian Zionists and Jews of the world. Wall Street is burning like the U.S. and Israel’s flags are burning around the world daily.

    Mr. Obama Omar, is going to fail in the Worlds politics, Why? Because of Pentagon, and their army, terrorism, wrong decisions, and wars in the world.

    They must pay, as ISIL was the wrong policy, and are going on in the bad, mad, nonsensical, foolish , failed projects of ISIS. Graveyards for ISIL in Muslim countries, just like in Great Iraq, and brave SYRIA. Who can they survive in the world after dates?

    The Time will come when they will pay for all 40 years’ wars. The World will be changed very soon against them, they can’t face the bad situations, which are coming soon.

    The US, UK, Israel, puppet NATO, Pentagon, ISIS or ISIL, pseudo-Taliban, Al-Qaeda, are responsible for all these crises in ALL Muslim Countries.

    The Freemasonry and Israeli Zionists are in the top of the Crime Lists. Thanks.

  244. Kay December 30, 2014 @ 11:29 pm

    Brother Nathanael:

    Did you know about this? Jews hijacked the Catholic Church at the Second Vatican Council?

    And the Pope signed the Metz Accord, promising the Church would stop criticizing Communism?

    After I translated this, I read elsewhere that even the non-Catholic Christians who “advised” Vatican II were mostly converted Jews.

  245. Donald Trump October 10, 2017 @ 6:52 am

    Very good.

    Crooked Hillary must be stopped! At first, when I was first against C.H., her ties to the Jewish Cabal were not very apparent; I was foolish!

    The more I campaigned against her the more obvious her jailworthy ties became.

    Ultimately, the Jew controlled crooked Democratic National Convention shoehorned her into the top spot — manipulating the entire party to get her into control!

    Completely disgusting. Thank you for your wonderful work for our country. Honored.

  246. Adrien Arcand Books May 4, 2020 @ 9:35 pm

    In 1933, Adrien Arcand was very concerned about Jewish control over the Catholic mind.

    He founded political parties advocating a Catholic form of Corporatism to replace democratic liberalism.

    He advocated Fascism to oppose and halt socialism that he viewed as totally Jewish. Here’s part 3 of his 1933 talk in Montreal, “Fascism or Socialism?”, hot off the online press tonight. Links at the top of the post to parts 1 and 2:

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