Main Contents

Beauty Will Save The World

Brother Nathanael Channel Videos!, BroVids

B/C 500

Beauty Will Save The World
Copyright 2011

Support The Brother Nathanael Foundation!

Online donation system by ClickandPledge

Or Send Your Contribution To:
The Brother Nathanael Foundation; PO Box 547; Priest River ID 83856

For More See: The Meaning Of Icons Click Here

And: Prepare For Martial Law Click Here

And: My Life As An Orthodox Monk Click Here

And: All BroTube Videos Click Here

CLICK: Brother Nathanael! Street Evangelist!

Support Brother Nathanael! HERE

Online donation system by ClickandPledge

Or Send Your Contribution To:
Brother Nathanael Kapner; PO Box 547; Priest River ID 83856

Brother Nathanael @ December 7, 2011


  1. Brother Nathanael December 7, 2011 @ 6:15 pm

    Text — Text — Text

    Beauty Will Save The World
    By Brother Nathanael Kapner
    Copyright 2011
    “Will beauty save the world?”

    This is a line from Dostoevsky’s famous novel, The Idiot, which line has since been popularized by attributing to the author the maxim, “Beauty Will Save The World.”

    With this maxim, Dostoevsky is mistakenly said to be asserting that by focusing on the “beautiful” things of God’s creation the world can be saved.

    Yet the context surrounding this misquoted saying that beauty will save the world points to something quite different.

    Beginning in Chapter 7 of The Idiot, the central character, Prince Myshkin, is shown a portrait of a strikingly beautiful young enchantress named Nastassya Filippovna.

    Now, it’s an older woman who shows this portrait to the prince and this woman holds Nastassya in contempt because she allowed herself to be seduced by a wealthy suitor leaving her moral reputation marred and tainted.

    The scene unfolds with a disquieting opening dialogue:

    “So, dear prince, do you appreciate this kind of beauty?” the older woman asks Prince Myshkin while holding before him the portrait of the enchanting Nastassya.

    The prince replies hesitatingly: “Yes. That kind—” He halts and then adds as if talking to himself, “In that face there is much suffering.”

    The woman responds in a jealous rage, “Beauty like this is power. One can turn the world upside down with this kind of beauty.”

    And it is exactly this kind of beauty – a worldly beauty – that Dostoevsky demonstrates that rather than saving the world will instead destroy it.

    It is another kind of beauty, Dostoevsky suggests in later chapters—the beauty of the Russian Christ—that will save the world.

    Today, we witness a destructive worldly power via frightening political developments, which DO, in fact, injuriously impact on our personal lives and freedoms.

    Just last week, the worldly powers of Washington, led by Zionist Jew, Carl Levin, head of the Senate Committee for Armed Services, passed the bill S-1867, the National Defense Authorization Act.

    This bill authorizes the US military to arrest without formal charges and imprison indefinitely American citizens, stripping them of any recourse to legal defense.

    You see, we are ALL “terrorists” now…and the US military could very well use UN forces and ‘soldiers with a gripe’ to do their dirty work.

    And this is why ‘worldly beauty’…‘worldly power’ – now in the hands of Zionist Jewry – will NOT save the world, but rather WILL and IS destroying it.

    From a human point of view, as Dostoevsky enigmatically suggests, it is beauty tinged with suffering that cries out to be saved.

    But from a divine point of view, as Dostoevsky underlines – it is the beauty of Christ, His acceptance and transformation of His marred creation – that redeems our sufferings, whether caused by our own mistakes or by the evils of others.

    Will beauty then save the world? Yes, properly understood… absolutely and entirely. INDEED beauty will save the world!

  2. Brother Nathanael December 7, 2011 @ 6:16 pm

    Dear Real Zionist News Family –

    If this Video, (one every week along with at least one Article), this Website, this Comments Section, and the Ministry I am trying to conduct is IMPORTANT to you and wish to SEE ME CONTINUE then please consider helping financially.

    To Donate Using PayPal Simply CLICK: ***IT WILL WORK***

    OR: (PayPal Button On Top Right)

    To Donate Using Click & Pledge CLICK:

    Donations By MAIL:

    The Brother Nathanael Foundation; PO Box 547; Priest River ID; 83856.

    Much Love AND Appreciaton In Christ To All!

    +Brother Nathanael

  3. Brother Nathanael December 7, 2011 @ 6:23 pm

    Spam Control Filter In Progress
    Due to overwhelming handwritten SPAMS that had been coming in at rapid speed throughout the day and night I had to put on a TEMPORARY Spam Filter.

    For those one or two who tried to comment and were blocked PLEASE BE PATIENT. RZN is NOT finished yet with Spam Control.

    Still working out the bugs…+BN

  4. Brian Germein December 7, 2011 @ 7:12 pm

    Bless you Brother for the inspiration you are, and the great work you are doing !!!

    The nonsense is almost over…. the light will prevail!

  5. Svenn December 7, 2011 @ 7:51 pm

    Thanx for your continued bravery.

    Why do you want to help us Goyim? Your life would have been much more “comfortable” if you would have served Zionism.

    I will be sending a Christmass donation. Financially, times are hard here.

    In New York we have more Zionists than Israel. Is there any chance that these brainwashed people will turn to Jesus?

    Thanx again. God Bless you.

  6. Kwai Chang December 7, 2011 @ 8:04 pm

    Keep hope alive!

    Thank you, Brother Nathanael.

    I would sincerely hope that the individual in each of us has already passed the “prince” stage. The suffering in the picture of Nastasya is very much like divinity, it can be found and must start in the individual. In this regard, all context of royalty has been relegated to the behavior of each of us.

    If you live properly…there is nothing to fear. If you have any princely aspirations about you, then fear may be your darkness and spiritual continuity may become impossible.

    Hence, the physical will remain unchanged. Only an idiot would forget…that the world can’t be any better than the individual…hypocrisy must end.

    Thanks, again!

  7. Gracie December 7, 2011 @ 8:48 pm

    Thank you dear +BN for your artful and insightful video. I am profoundly moved by this presentation.

    Yes, the beautiful faces “persuading and informing” us through the mainstream media have been a source of great power and have turned our world upside down.

    Using their beautiful straight white teeth, smiling lips, and lovely wide-eyed countenances they have given us lies and circuses while their Jewish bosses have destroyed our once great Republic and given us instead:

    Tyranny – through the Jewish-controlled Congress and Courts,

    Poverty – courtesy of the corrupt Jewish-owned banking system, and

    Cultural debasement – from the increasingly demonic Jewish-owned media.

    Nevertheless, Beauty will save the World. He is the Bridegroom who waits for His bride even while we are filthy and lost in our sins.

    As St. John Chrysostom wrote: “He does not have her come to Him as His bride because He has longed for her comeliness, or her beauty, or the bloom of her body.

    On the contrary, the bride He has brought into the nuptial chamber is deformed and ugly, thoroughly and shamefully sordid, and practically, wallowing in the very mire of her sins.”

    Our Bridegroom, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, by His own ineffable goodness and blood has sanctified us and cleansed us by the bath of baptism and we are saved!

  8. ET December 7, 2011 @ 9:17 pm

    Amen to that, Bro. Nathanael!

    Only Christ Yeshua has to save Israel and the detestable acts committed after King Solomon’s death by dividing the kingdoms resulting in the lost tribes of Israel.

    The Bible states that this supposedly S-1865 that we were waiting for will hang the Christian believers first and imprison them. The wisdom is to test the faith of the professing Christians and the Good Book states that many will leave the faith and grow cold, because they love life and terrified of persecution.

    The church has to be judged first and then the Gentiles – pagans.

  9. john king December 7, 2011 @ 10:50 pm

    My appeal to the readership of RZN:

    Bro. Nathanael is not kidding about needing funding to continue his work. Only at the Federal Reserve do they print money out of nothing. If this website gives you hope and direction than it’s time for you to put your money where your mouth is.

    Freedom is not free. Yes, even someone had to front the money to print handbills in 1776 declaring American independence.

    If we want independence from Zion and the “Zion Main Frame” control system, we need to start sinking our money in the hands of those who will do battle. Once named as a “rabid anti-Semite” by the kike ADL, Bro Nathanael has proven he’s not scared to take on the Jews at their own game.

    So, you have a hero on your side. Please make a small donation and be consistent so that our hero can keep slugging the bad guys. As I know personally he acknowledges every financial gift.

    Are the Jews stingy about supporting their goals? Their henchmen? Hell No!!

    How are we going to win if we are more mizerly than Ebeneezer Scrooge? Please give what you can. God will pay you back.

  10. Glory B. December 8, 2011 @ 12:18 am

    Dostoevsky was very Jew-wise. In his writings, he tried to warn the Russian people about the danger that the Jews posed to Jesus Christ and His Church.

    For example, Dostoevsky wrote:

    “The Yid and his bank are now ruling over everything: over Europe, education, civilization, socialism, especially socialism, for he will use it to uproot Christianity and destroy its civilization. And when only anarchy remains, the Yid will be in command of everything.

    “For while the Jew goes about preaching socialism, he will stick together with his own, and after all the riches of Europe have been wasted, the Yid’s bank will still be there. The Antichrist will come and stand over the anarchy.”

    Seldom has a writer been so prophetic. Doestoevsky understood the Jews’ lack of morality and inability to feel compassion for anyone other than fellow Jews.

    “Jewry is thriving precisely there where the people are still ignorant, or not free, or economically backward. It is there that Jewry has a champ libre! And instead of raising, by its influence, the level of education, instead of increasing knowledge, generating economic fitness in the native population — instead of this the Jew, where he has settled, has still more humiliated and debauched the people; there humaneness was still more debased and the educational level fell still lower; there inescapable, inhuman misery, and with it despair, spread still more disgustingly.

    “Ask the native population in our border regions: What is propelling the Jew — and has been propelling him for centuries? You will receive a unanimous answer: mercilessness. ‘He has been prompted so many centuries only by pitilessness for us, only by the thirst for our sweat and blood.'”

    Thank you, Brother Nathanael, for bringing the wisdom of Dostoevsky about the evils of the satanic Jews to our attention. We should be paying attention to the warnings of this writer, and to you, a true prophet of God.

    Only by turning their lives over to Jesus and accepting him as the Divine Savior of mankind can the Jews avoid the awful fate that awaits them.

  11. Georgios December 8, 2011 @ 5:40 am

    Brother Nathanael,

    Could Dostoevsky have meant with “beauty,” the Philokalia? The love to inner beauty?

    I suggest every Christian to read the book “The Way of a Pilgrim,” a 19th century Russian work, recounting the narrator’s journey as a mendicant pilgrim across Russia while practicing the Jesus Prayer.

  12. Anti-Zionist December 8, 2011 @ 6:12 am

    I will never renounce Jesus Christ, no matter what.

  13. Karen December 8, 2011 @ 6:45 am

    The topic is beauty, so want to say that you Brother Nathanael are a beautiful human being.

  14. Concrete man December 8, 2011 @ 6:57 am

    We need to find the beauty every day in life, and there is much to be found.

  15. mr December 8, 2011 @ 8:29 am

    I have just downloaded bill S-1867, but much of it does not pertain to civilian matters.

    Which section of the bill do you find threatening?

    Many thanks,


  16. Carl December 8, 2011 @ 9:10 am

    You are beautiful, Brother, and it looks like you are in beautiful surroundings.

    You deserve such surroundings after what you’ve been accustomed to.

    Amen Brother, it is in Christ’s beauty we will be saved.

  17. braddah pk December 8, 2011 @ 10:22 am

    Salvation through sincere faith in His Majesty, our Lord Jesus Christ, who gives us eternal life…that is beautiful.

    He is the Prince of Peace, He is the Spirit of Truth in our hearts, he is the Light of Life, the Water of Life and the Bread of Life. Our lives would not exist if it was not for His.

    We all need to unify around Him and He who sent Him into this world. Enough divided houses; enough in-fighting over His name.

    Join Christ our Lord who is Supreme Sovereign, even of this very world and His cosmos, to bring truth, beauty, and goodness into His Kingdom so that evil, sin, and iniquity can be banished for ever.

    Amen and thank you, BN.

  18. Robertvnik December 8, 2011 @ 11:39 am


    ‘I will never renounce Jesus Christ, no matter what.’

    True beauty seen here. Or is your real name Peter?

  19. ATB December 8, 2011 @ 11:45 am

    Indeed Beauty (Himself) will save the world!

    The Lord Jesus Christ said, “If I am lifted up I will draw all men to myself.”

    The Beautiful Gift of Christ came to us through the powerful “yes” of a most humble and truly beautiful creature, the Blessed Virgin Mary.

    God’s purity, God’s beauty in His Only Begotten Son, and his holy saints cannot be marred or destroyed by those who only understand worldly beauty. Jesus Christ, and the Beauty of His suffering, death and resurrection — Will save all who call upon the name of the Lord!

    Thank you, Brother Nathanael, for this inspiring video.

    May God bless, inspire, and strengthen those who truly love Him. Amen.

  20. Wayne December 8, 2011 @ 1:30 pm

    I have attended many sermons and never heard anyone use beauty to describe the love of God, which lives within us and all around us.

    This love is beautiful and having tasted it, one never forgets it. It is like the pure honey taken from deep within a perfect Russian forest, which I have also tasted – Christ’s love and Volodya’s honey.

  21. Bobby December 8, 2011 @ 1:35 pm

    That commentary was beautiful and a lesson in wisdom.

    Brother Nathanael, you are truly a man of wisdom and culture besides being righteous.

    Brother Nathanael, like the Master said of your namesake of long ago, “there is no guile in you.”

  22. Joe Cortina December 8, 2011 @ 1:36 pm

    To John King – Thank you for verbalizing an appeal to help Nathanael far better than I could.

    It was expressed sincerely and intelligently. MY monetary rescue will be forthcoming this week. All of you who believe as I do -that his work IS VALUABLE – please send something – 100 readers sending ONLY the cost of a pack of cigarettes is far more helpful than doing NOTHING!

    Nathanael and I share a common dream – albeit only an interim reform.

    We BOTH DEARLY wish to see Christmas Christian tradition that was trashed by the Obamanation and his Jew masters – reinstated at our nation’s capitol – in place of that horrid Devil’s pitchfork — blasphemous Jew symbol of death and violence that will now adorn the ‘House of Whores’ for the rest of our lives!

    HE WILL MAKE IT HAPPEN! I believe that – if he is funded. Prayers will NOT make the Devil ‘go away.’


    If hypocrite snake-oil selling, blasphemous multimillionaire scum like Peter Popov, or arrogant, greedy, Christ-mocking hucksters like Joel Osteen can rake in MILLIONS from witless, vacuous, brain-dead, imbecile fools for their luxury lifestyles, then certainly we can help ONE DECENT MAN OF GOD – WHOSE SELFLESS LIFE IS A DAILY SACRIFICE FOR TRUTH, FREEDOM, AND GOODNESS.


  23. luke December 8, 2011 @ 4:42 pm

    Amen and Amen, Brother.

    They, the Zionists, are vessels of wrath fitted for destruction. Walking the left hand path set for them by the Master Potter. And as for suffering, I am afraid it is necessary:

    Ro 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with Him, that we may be also glorified together.

  24. ATB December 8, 2011 @ 5:12 pm

    It is good to remember Genesis 3:15 — and unless we acknowledge the Truth of who that is referring to, we will be sadly lacking in our battle with Satan.

  25. Wallace December 8, 2011 @ 5:36 pm

    @ MRH,

    You wrote:

    “I have just downloaded bill S-1867, but much of it does not pertain to civilian matters.

    Which section of the bill do you find threatening?”

    This should help fill you in…

  26. KC December 8, 2011 @ 5:55 pm

    Very interesting video…

    I occasionally contemplate this topic and I can relate to the character of Nastasiya Filippovna and through my experience, yes, there is destructive ‘worldly’ beauty that can just suck someone in and without Christ, impossible to get out and see the REAL beauty that is of our God and what He does.

    This gives the right direction. Thank you Brother!

  27. MRH December 8, 2011 @ 6:35 pm


    I would like to read a specific part of the law, not look at images and listen to country music. I repeat: what part of this law is threatening?

    I ask because I simply do not have time to read through the entire thing.

  28. arjan December 8, 2011 @ 7:37 pm

    You are so right Brother Nathanael, that beauty will save the world.

    Unfortunately we don’t live in a time when cathedrals are being built and Christian artworks are being commissioned, but it was not too far in the past when things were different.

    Once Christian cathedrals were the tallest buildings in the land, now they have been replaced by skyscrapers, owned by banks.

    It is a reflection of the psyche of a nation, what it is building for posterity.

    This nation is on a highway to hell and there are no stop signs or speed limits. Except you standing in the median strip, holding up the Cross!

  29. kmarie December 8, 2011 @ 8:48 pm

    @ MRH,

    Section 1031 and section 1032 of S-1867 are “threatening.”

  30. kiimm December 8, 2011 @ 11:51 pm

    Beautiful, Brother Nathanael.

    Earthly human beauty is, indeed, in the eye of the beholder, but nothing matches the holy beauty of the Lord Jesus Christ!

    Romans 10:15
    How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, “ HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THOSE WHO BRING GOOD NEWS OF GOOD THINGS!”

  31. ATB December 9, 2011 @ 9:56 am

    “In the news recently were reports of as many as 3 million Russians queueing up to kiss a glass-covered reliquary that they believe holds the Virgin Mary’s belt.

    “The relic arrived in St. Petersburg on October 20, beginning a month-long tour of Russian cities. When it arrived, Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin was the first to venerate the holy relic, which is usually housed in a Greek Orthodox monastery on Greece’s Mount Athos.

    “Many Russians believe that the relic, considered important within the Orthodox Church, can mystically help to overcome infertility or problems with pregnancy.”

  32. ATB December 9, 2011 @ 10:12 am

    “Twenty years ago today, on December 8, 1991, a group of Soviet leaders got together in a house in snowy Belarus to declare the end of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The resulting treaty, the Belavezha Accords, split the former USSR into a series of independent states.

    To mark the two-decade anniversary, here’s a collection of numbers that illustrate a very small portion of the history of the USSR, and what’s happened in the former Soviet states since its collapse.

    Number of times the last president of the USSR, Mikhail Gorbachev, used the words “free,” “freed” or “freedom” in his ten minute resignation speech on December 25, 1991: 12”

    Read the full text here:
    –brought to you by mental_floss!

  33. Adam December 9, 2011 @ 12:28 pm

    Bro Nat, you’re still where it’s at.

    Beauty is a cutey, and raving is a craving.

    But I’ll be here ’til the ship won’t steer, with or without my survival gear.

    Up and down and in and out is pretty much what it’s all about.

    When it’s finished I’ll holler and shout.

    Hold not your breath till your face turns red, if there’s any chance it could make you dead.

  34. MRH December 9, 2011 @ 6:01 pm


    Many thanks. But other than detaining suspected members of Al Qaeda (which seems sort of normal to me…) I do not see the threat to ordinary American citizens here.

    Of course, on the ground there may be all sorts of room for abuse, but then again law enforcement officers have been abusing texts for the past 6,000 years, so there’s nothing new there.

    Not to take away from a poetic update by BN, I cannot see any substance to the fears expressed here.

    If anybody in this forum thinks I am wrong, please write and tell me: I am always ready to learn more.

    Many thanks.

  35. Phog December 9, 2011 @ 7:38 pm

    Thanks for this moving message.

    Yes, our holy Savior is beautiful. There’s beauty in holiness.

  36. Suzanne December 10, 2011 @ 2:02 am

    To ATB,

    God bless you for all of your comments, especially the ones about The Blessed Virgin Mary.

    There is an old church in south Lebanon dedicated to the Blessed Virgin Mary. It is a predominately Muslim village now but this particular Church has an outside shrine dedicated to our Blessed Mother.

    Church tradition or cultural tradition believes that this is not far from where the wedding at Cana took place. Apparently (according to tradition) the Blessed Virgin spent a few nights here with relatives.

    She left a veil, a napkin and a water pitcher. These relics or items are still in this Church.

    Many Lebanese and other people from the Middle East come and pray in front of this shrine and apparently many women who have been considered sterile or infertile by the medical establishment have conceived and some have had large families. Many Muslim women in their desperation have prayed here and many of them have reported miracles.

    There is so much beauty in our world that has its origin in the Divine. So much ugliness and misery that has its origin in Satan and ugliness and sin.

    Genesis 3:15 does give us the answer to the world’s problems. It only takes the willfull obedience, devotion and co-operation of a few men with enough guts and who are not afraid of the wicked Jews to help us establish beauty for us and for our children and to help establish peace that the whole world is seeking after, but unfortunately it will seek it in vain!

  37. Greg Harry December 10, 2011 @ 2:39 am


    Lyrics & Music- Greg Harry

    Love will reign in the end,
    The law of love we will defend,
    Come let us reason, and we’ll comprehend,
    Because, love will reign in the end.

    This world we live in’s ’bout gone crazy,
    So full of evil, strife and hate,
    But there’s a day, that’s bringing us a better way,
    Right before it seems too late

    Now everybody sing it with me,

    Love will reign in the end,
    The law of love we will defend,
    Come let us reason, and we’ll comprehend,
    Because, love will reign in the end.

    One thousand years of peace awaits us,
    We’ll live in truth and harmony,
    In one accord, the plow share from the sword,
    Good will have the victory

    Sing it with me if you think it,

    Love will reign in the end,
    The law of love we will defend,
    Come let us reason, and we’ll comprehend,
    Because, love will reign in the end.

    Deception waits at every corner,
    But dear people don’t despair,
    Search for the truth, you’ve hungered since your youth,
    The answer’s wait for those who dare,

    Now sing it with me one more time now

    Love will reign in the end,
    The law of love we will defend,
    Come let us reason, and we’ll comprehend,
    Because, love will reign in the end.

    The Son returns to claim His Kingdom,
    Satan’s deception is revealed,
    Christ comes to claim, the one’s who kept His name,
    Refused the beast, and kept God’s seal,

    Love will reign in the end,
    The law of love we will defend,
    Come let us reason, and we’ll comprehend,
    Because, love will reign in the end.

    His kingdom will be never ending,
    Abundance and prosperity,
    The golden rule, the foundation of His school,
    Justice, peace, equality.

    Sing it with the highest praise!

    Love will reign in the end,
    The law of love we will defend,
    Come let us reason, and we’ll comprehend,
    Because, love will reign in the end.

    The Ancient of Days, He will descend
    And love is gonna reign in the end,

  38. Daniel Anderson December 10, 2011 @ 4:59 am

    As an Australian Goyim I grew up in a Christian family and believed much of what I was taught to be lies and mistruths.

    Christianity was, in my opinion, nothing more than a sweet coated Clayton form of Santa and went on my travels removed in every respect from God. Yet, I see now what I had never seen before.

    I see the evil which seeks to destroy society through mainstream media, consumerism, sexual fornication, attacks on the institution of family.

    Even more interesting are the scientific studies which prove that societies of high moral integrity prosper and those with low moral integrity fall.

    It makes sense to me why the beast hates Jesus and why he and his words is been eroded from society. The US was built on Christian values but in truth, it’s spirit is in the main dark with impurity and godlessness.

    The things I have learned have returned me to the spirit of Christ and yet I feel as though I am walking in darkness as when I would attempt to explain much of what is going on I’m labelled as a “conspiracy crack pot!” is this what it means to walk as Christ?

    To love your enemies and stand up for that which is right and yet to be labelled as intolerant or fascist? The tools which we the people are “programmed” with are so mighty that I fear there is no hope for us!

    I don’t know why, but I felt compelled to share this.

    God bless !

  39. Daniel Anderson December 10, 2011 @ 5:16 am


    If you feel that the idea of the military having the power to arrest, detain and torture you without trial, without just cause, without reproach for an undefined and indefinite period of time is if no concern, than I’m concerned!

    This lays the foundation to classify you as a terrorist and give the state the capacity to wisk you away without anyone ever knowing where you went for no reason. It’s right out of the third reich’s concentration camp model where anyone who expressed free thought or values against the ruling party were considered potential terrorists and vanished into camps.

    Nothing is new under the sun and history always seems to repeat itself. In fact, by you posting on a forum like this one it begs to reason you’ve already been flagged.

    I’m not saying that you should expect the military at your front door, but, it lays the foundation for radical tyrants to impose immoral laws and to silence critics by classifying them as terrorists.

    I can’t see how this wouldn’t concern anyone.

  40. MRH December 10, 2011 @ 10:25 am

    @Daniel Anderson

    Thank you for your reply, which I found very interesting.

    I understand what you are saying and respect the fact that the situation you describe would be a horrible one; one that should be resisted by all means.

    What I do not understand is how you have connected the dots from legislation stating that enemy combatants can be arrested to the possibility that I, or you, can be detained and tortured just for being ourselves and expressing ourselves in a legal fashion as guaranteed by the American Constitution.

    I do not see, for example, the clause “without just cause” anywhere in this text.

    So while I am with you on the question of protecting our freedoms, I still do not see how S-1867 is a threat to my freedoms. I admit in advance that I can be terribly naive, just as I must in all honesty state my opinion that many posters here seem to me to be overly paranoid.

    I would not be surprised if I were flagged by posting on this forum and I think that it is normal that the people in charge of public security keep an eye on posters in a forum where a lot of anger might be expressed: it seems to me that this site does attract some very angry people and anger can lead to violence.

    Once again, thank you for your reply and I look forward to reading you again soon.

  41. Anti-Zion December 10, 2011 @ 2:28 pm


    ‘Without just cause’ you say, I say forget about whether that is written or not. For you see, the legislation gives the state the right to detain and torture you without first holding a trial.

    Whether there is probably cause for suspicion or not is not the issue here, it is the fact that the state has the right to act unilaterally without providing judicial proof for the arrest. The point of having trials to begin with is in order to whisk away mere suspicion and substantiate it with proof and a court order.

    There is perhaps no reason to worry for someone posting on this website, but many other higher profile people may soon see their rights be taken away from them at the exact moment of need.

  42. Epiphanios December 11, 2011 @ 1:33 pm

    The bill S-1867 is indeed disquieting (sections 1.031 to 1.037 deal with the issue at hand in Brother Nathanael’s communication). I especially blame its seemingly willfully vague wording.

    (Full text here: )

    However, the following paragraph does except American citizens from such treatment (pace Brother Nathanael’s claim that “This bill authorizes the US military to arrest without formal charges and imprison indefinitely American citizens, stripping them of any recourse to legal defense.” In no way better, it does that to any other citizen of the world):

    section 1032b1: “(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.”

    In any event, it is easily seen that with a representation of only 88%, the 23 Christians in the Senate Committee for Armed Services have a hard time holding their ground in the face of three Jewish men.

  43. Richard B. December 11, 2011 @ 9:37 pm


    While I applaud your effort to read (and cite) the original source, I must respectfully take issue with your interpretation of it.

    Brother Nathanael is absolutely correct in his contention that the bill “authorizes” military arrest and imprisonment of U.S. citizens.

    The fact this vague provision is not a “requirement” (i.e. ‘mandatory’) does not rule-out its exercise as an ‘option.’

    Perhaps equally troubling is the not-so-vague verbiage of the following subsection (Section 1032c1):

    “Not later than 60 days *after* the date of the enactment of this Act, the President shall issue, and submit to Congress, procedures for implementing this section.”

    Given this section’s references to “al-Qaeda,” together with its insertion into an otherwise innocuous “Defense Appropriations Act,” its provisions prove dubious, at best.

    I respectfully believe the record to show that Brother Nathanael is correct in his “communication” of the facts.

  44. Martin Dobrowolski December 12, 2011 @ 7:07 am

    Dear +BN,

    I suggest beauty of your heart may also save America and whole world.

    I think your parents and grandparents came to America from Eastern Europe – people from this part of Europe have beauty Slavic hearts.

    White Stupor from America are not yet hungry enough to protest against ZOG of USA. ZOG of USA and EU attack sovereign nation of Russia, Belarus and Iran etc. Who can stop them?

    Northern Korea this people can do it for sure in my opinion, I watched the American film about it; they are brave and have dignity.

    They never give up in the fight with USA. I think in Russia there are many Zionists and they wait for a proper moment to do their job. They want to destroy this country.


  45. kmarie December 12, 2011 @ 10:41 am

    MRH says, “This site does attract some very angry people and anger can lead to violence.”

    Anger is a common, probably universal human emotion. Feelings of anger often accompany an awareness of violated justice.

    It seems to me that FEAR is fueling much of today’s world violence.

    Many Americans, for example, believe that the world is filled with a web of “terrorists” who hate Americans “because of our freedom.”

    Therefore, something called a Defense Authorization Act is accepted, because it sounds like something which can protect us from these “terrorists.” That the Defense Authorization Act could strip away freedoms is secondary.

    Also, wars overseas are accepted because they allegedly make “terrorized” Americans more safe.

    Hundreds of thousands of children are killed. Some of them are killed in a single, quick act of violence. Others are killed more slowly through destruction of their water infrastructure and/or by genocidal sanctions.

    The deaths and deformities of these innocent children is “collateral damage” in the cause of “making the world safe for democracy” or whatever.

    How many violent deaths (often deaths of innocent Semitic Muslim children) is it going to take before some Americans feel “safe?”

    Violence and death and fear are below the deceptive beauty of military power and homeland surveillance.

    +BN points us to Dostoevsky who points us to the gentle yet powerful beauty of Jesus.

    In other words, anger can sometimes lead to seeking justice, which can nurture peace and nonviolence.

  46. Hoff December 12, 2011 @ 8:00 pm

    The headline for this article is: “Beauty Will Save The World”.

    Six in the morning. Everything is silent. Everything is dark … and then comes Saint Lucia. This is beyond beautiful. Just sit back and listen.


  47. Adam December 12, 2011 @ 9:13 pm

    You folks should all add one vector to your thinking that is missing.

    You know what’s happening, right?

    Okay, the next step is in realizing exactly what, “what is happening” means. Because knowing what things mean can be a far more valuable asset to possess than merely knowing “what-is.”

    It’s a process of connecting dots, from what is, to what “what is” means. This is called, “cognition,” and it works every time with the right dots connected.

  48. neris December 16, 2011 @ 9:35 am

    Dear Brother Nathanael,

    I applaude your great knowledge and great work! “Will beauty save the world?” – your interpretation of Dostoyevskii’s novel so powerful and deep.

    I adore Russian Classics and read it only in Russian.

    Thank you!

Leave a comment