Obama’s “Zero To Five” Big Brother Plan
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OBAMA’S “ZERO TO FIVE“ BIG BROTHER PLAN
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THE SEIZURE OF THE MINDS OF AMERICAN INFANTS is about to take place in a Barack Obama presidency.
This will occur in Obama’s Early Childhood Proposals in a subheading which he calls the Zero To Five plan. Here is what our coming Big Brother, Barack Obama, has to say about this plan:
“The Zero To Five plan places a key emphasis on early care and education for infants. This is essential for children to be ready to enter kindergarten.
I will create Early Learning Challenge Grants to promote state Zero To Five efforts to help states move toward voluntary, universal pre-school.”View Entire Plan Here.
These few sentences from the mouth of Obama are loaded with Big Brother invasive plans for our lives and culture.
OBAMA’S SEIZURE OF THE MINDS of American infants is loaded with Big Brother invasive plans that will take us a giant step away from private freedoms.
First of all, Obama is calling for “early care” of America’s infants. This is an obvious “hook” for parents to unload their children into the arms of Big Brother for relief from the burden of oversight.
Because of rapid inflation due to the takeover of our monetary system by the Zionist Jews of the Federal Reserve Bank, both parents of “zero to five” aged children are now forced to work full time jobs. Thus Obama’s Zero To Five plan will be looked upon as a godsend by working mothers — a free “baby-sitting” service provided by the Federal Government. But Obama’s baby-sitting service will be nothing less than a “social-engineering” program.
Secondly, an “education” for infants & toddlers will be at the hands of the Federal Government, a “secularized” and “Anti-Christian” entity. What will the Federal Government poison infants aged “zero to five” with? We all know the answer.
Young impressionable minds will be taught vis a vis children’s picture books, “same sex relations,” “obedience to authorities,” (not parents, but government authorities), and
“political correctness.” Young children will be taught that freedom of speech does not include criticizing the conduct of a person or group whose religion, color, or sexual orientation is different from the majority.
Thirdly, with Obama’s Early Learning Challenge Grants to the states, we will be witnessing the final takeover of state independence by a central authority, the Federal Government. This central authority will be run by a sociopath in the presidency with no moral compass & with greater powers, namely, the psychologically impaired, Barack Obama.
ZIONIST JEWISH TEACHERS will be the beneficiaries of grants to develop teachers as recommended in Obama’s Zero To Five plan.
At present, the American Federation of Teachers (AFT) is dominated by Zionist Jews, all who have an “Anti-Christian” bent. The current president of the AFT is the Zionist Jew, Mss Randi Weingarten. This Zionist Jew from New York City is the overseer of the more than 1.4-million-member American Federation of Teachers.
Weingarten took over the presidency of the AFT in 2005, from her successor, the Zionist Jew, Sandra Feldman of New York City, (born Sandra Abramowitz). Indeed, the Zionist-Jewish center of the world, New York City, with its multitude of Zionist Jewish teachers, has the power and control of the AFT.
The Zionist-Jewish roots of the AFT began in the Jewish world of New York City. In 1941, a pro-communist entity based in Brooklyn, known as the Teachers Guild, initiated the early growth of a teachers labor union which eventuated into the American Federation of Teachers. The founders and presidents of the Teachers Guild were two Zionist Jews, Albert Shanker & Charles Cogen.
Shanker emerged as the dominant leader of the Teachers Guild, growing it into the United Federation of Teachers in 1960 & merging in 1961 with a struggling labor union, the American Federation of Teachers.
By 1974, Shanker had insinuated himself through a fierce power-struggle as president of the AFT. Shankar died of brain cancer in 1997. He was succeeded by his protege, the Zionist Jew, Sandra Feldman, who died of cancer in 2005. She in turn was succeeded by the current president of the AFT, the Zionist Jew, Randi Weingarten.
Already, the AFT has an Early Childhood Educators Agenda in preparation for a Big Brother policy designed to seize the minds of American infants.
And who will our American infants learn from? Whose curriculum will our American infants be brainwashed with in Obama’s Zero To Five plan? Zionist Jews, that’s who.
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Brother Nathaniel could you explain to me please what is the group with Faction Two name?i heard they were against Zionism is that true or just propaganda.Thank you and greetings from Angelo
Dear Angelo - I never heard of “Faction Two” that are against Zionism.
Of course, there are secular Jews and religious Jews who are against “Zionism ” but only to a degree.
The secularist Jews who are against “Zionism” still hold onto their Jewish identity as well as Jewish elitism and hegemony — and refuse to embrace the Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah. Thus the Deicidal Curse is upon them and they have the murder of Christ’s blood on their heads and of their children and followers. Naom Chomsky is an example and so is Finkelstein who wrote the Holocaust Industry.
Then you have the ultra religious Jews who are against Zionism, that is, they are only against “political” & “secular” Zionism.
But DONT be fooled by these Anti Christ scoundrels. They ARE in favour of a “RELIGIOUS” Zionism, which is much worse. For they will exalt the ANTI CHRIST, whom the Orthodox Church teaches WILL BE A JEW (not the pope as many Protestants erroneously contend). +BN
This is really unbelievable material. Jews are truly conspiratorial.
I’m not in the least surprised anymore to learn that Jews head major society changing organizations like the FTA. Jews seem to be in positions of authority out of all proportion to their numerical basis in society. If there were this many Muslims in such positions alarm bells would ring, but because they are Jews and are therefore protected by the holocaust from exposure, nothing is said.
Jews really are demonically clever. It’s almost as if their power over us does have a supernatural basis.
Effort aims to counter Christian Zionism
Association will distribute a brochure saying the movement fosters hatred of Muslims and opposition to Mideast peace. A movement leader says the brochure presents a stereotype of Christian Zionists.
By Nathan Olivarez-Giles
9:50 PM PDT, October 24, 2008
Either Chicago will be nuked, in order to create an excuse for the US to nuke Iran, or Israel will nuke Iran, the result will be the same-the complete destruction of Israel and the USA by a group of nations in opposition of the great evil of the jewnited States. The law of Karma will prevail and Yellowstone Super volcano will blow-triggering major natural catastrophes all over the world, including a WWIII that will wipe out Europe from Italy to Scandinavia, these nations will submerge-Japan, England/Ireland and Australia. Eventually all evil on Earth will perish-this will happen soon.
If you could in the future, when you mention Zionist Jews, could you please list their religious belief’s as well?
Many Jews have converted to Catholicism, thinking it will save them from what is to come as history shows, and I think it very important that this needs to be pointed out to your readers.
All one has to do is look at the US Congress today, and with this current election, this could even increase their numbers, which I suspect will.
Please look at the next in line of faith with only 67 members.
Catholicism Top Faith In U.S. Congress
This shows who is responsible for the money being passed for wars, bailout plan, and our very basic civil rights being infringed on. 30% of congress belong to this religion.
5 of 9 majority Supreme Court as well now, first time in American History.
The polls are a direct result against those who run congress, and now most should see who runs it by news release above.
But, How many are Zionist Jews? As Biden said, you don’t have to be Jewish to be a Zionist.
As in, on the flip side regarding the Jews themselves, you don’t have to be Italian to be a Roman.
So the connection to all of the Zionist Jews that you point out on a weekly basis, don’t you think it would also be good to list their religious belief’s as well, as in who they belong to regarding their faith?
I mean is it not a Zionist Jew who protects the Vatican treasure?
And therefore the owner of that treasure would also seem to want to protect the protector as well. Common sense right?
Let’s get all the truth out in the open, as only all of it can set one free.
In other words, let us not forget that their is a finger on each hand that can be used to point at those responsible.
Just a suggestion.
Thank You for bringing out the truth
Western culture is a real sick culture!
Kenya News web page.
Western Culture is not Western Culture.
As Bishop Photios Farrell notes in his book, ‘God, History, and Dialectic’ it as not the West (ethnically, or racially) that is at fault, but the faulty theological construct known as the FILIOQUE that led to the Roman Papacy changing the collegial form of Church Governance still (weakly) held by the Orthodox.
From that one philosophical error, came all the problems the West faces.
Instead of berating us, pray for us.
We are your brethren, and many in the West, if given the right tools. COULD TURN THIS ANTICHRIST SYSTEM AROUND, Deo Volente….
Funny reading about Albert Shanker . . . As a kid, I remember visiting his son Adam and how great his house smelled as this ‘big wig’ popped out the kitchen with his cooking apron on!
I just want to say thank you Brother Nathaniel for really opening my eyes about who really pulls the strings. It all makes so much sense now.
Sir, the question of who ‘Faction 2′ of the NWO is has been covered in one other place, to my knowledge:
You will find that the site thewatcherfiles, and the world of Sherry Shriner contain many involuted paradoxes that can only be taken as warning signs that this all may be the worl of an unwitting disinformationist. In fact, Stew Webb,com, another notable potential unwitting disinformationist, had at one point listed a file on Sherry, and he rightly raised questions about he fringe ‘British Israel’ influenced rapturism and wierd UFO claims she makes. Particularly unorthodox views are front and center.
In any event, you will notice that the article above is by Rayelan Allen, another controversial name from the UFO world and allegedly a disinformationist. The whole thing reminds me of the answers one might get if he asked where his bag of drugs actually came from, and should be contemplated in that light.
To sum it up, Faction Two is allegedly “The Nebraska Navy,” former cadre of the WW I Bismark German and Austrian Navy who came over to the American side and were given new lives in Hutterite parts of the west, where there German nationality would not be a matter of question. One of the questions I would naturally ask, being from where half of the Navy staff comes from, coastal New England, would be what Naval tradition exists in landlocked Nebraska? Officers from there are likely what is claimed in the article, more or less, with a grain of salt.
You will see one prominent example of this in the musical “The Sound of Music.” where a Catholic Austrian Navy commander is the central character in a nice explanation of the history of the division between radical Nazis and conservative military aristocrats.
They have a good potential of being real, and generally good, but be cautious and do your own research. Mostly, pray and study the Word for comparison and orientation. Peace.
Some Israelis feel an urgency to attack Iran…..could be soon…????
SURACI: It is indeed a supernatural force that they use. It is the antithesis of what BNK is pointing you to, he calls it God I call it Life. None the less the message is the same. Open up to God/Life and all its’ supernatural power and be blessed with the strenght to see the evil.
Jesus the Christos/Leader. I am that I am. I am a man as you are a man. It is they that say I am the son of their g-d.
These are very important facts for us all to know about the coming storm. OBAMA TO LEAD FOURTH REICH was an exceptional piece of journalism. Now that we are on the eve of the election, we need to accept what our possible next president really is, all flowery speeches aside!
Greetings in the Lord Jesus from No Cal US of Talmudistan:
Vote Independent for Ron Paul or someone else pro-Life, or vote McCain, but for God’s sake in good conscience, don’t vote for the heartless and conscience-less psychopath monster Barak Hussein [”Destroyer”] Obama. Maybe it’s a “throw away vote” to vote independent, and certainly a distasteful vote for McCain in just about everything but his solid pro-life stance, and maybe refraining from voting at all according to conscience, but I don’t know about that. Sometimes inaction and silence is giving tacit permission, so that one is dealt with prayerfully.
God judges the heart, and maybe His future judgement of the human heart of every Christian American in the Last Things will depend on just this One Issue vote. I strongly believe that “the wrath of God” in measured increments and progressive discipline in keeping with both His justice and His mercy is upon America as a chastisement and prod to turn in repentance towards God. Repentance, or ~metanoia~ literally means a change of mind.
It is a very interesting and peculiar fact that within 3 days after the California Supreme Court overturned the Protection of Marriage Act instituted and legislated from popular initiative, that an anomalous and unprecedented dry-lightening storm struck California out of the blue, without warning, unexpected by the meteorologists. This lightening storm blanketed the entire State with over 8,000 lightening strikes. Here in North California, a different world from the liberal “Left Coast”, the Christians that I know nearly all said “This is the true wake-up call for America”. A call to repentance, if you’ll have it, and a call to deepen waivering faith.
We know 9-11 was man-made terrorism, and an “inside job”. Jesus Christ walk upon the sea and quelled the storm, showing that He is the Lord of Creation. In saying to his disciples, “be of good cheer. It is I; do not be afraid”, the Son of God assures us He will be with His people in the midst of the storms of life. (Matt.28:20). He said to Peter “Come”, the call of Christ in the midst of turmoil. After Peter cries, “Lord, save me”, Jesus does just that. How clearly the Son of God answers prayer–including this, the shortest prayer in the Bible. “California Burning” was the Lord of Creation’s answer to the satanically inspired man-made 9-11.
Under the razzle-dazzle of the Obama-rama, the sick twisted thinking and the monster’s hatred of life is very clear if you examine his pro-abortion statements. “From One to Five” will be for those who survive Big Brother’s plan for the destruction of the Pre-Born in Satan’s retaliation against God for the Lord’s human Conception.
Think about how with this particular election the future presidential appointments of two Supreme Court justices makes it a critical one, the candidate you vote for tomorrow is not just the next four or eight years to endure while holding our noses, but will impact the future of children “unto the third and fourth generations”.
The Evangelist Luke records the Annunciation in his Gospel: Then the Angel Gabriel said to her: “Do not be afraid Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold you will conceive in thy womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Ea-shua [ancient Assyro-Aramaic for Life-Giver; the Galilean dialect].
“He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end…The Holy Spirit will come upon thee, and the power of the Highest will overshadow thee; therefore, also that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God…For with God nothing will be impossible.”
Then Mary said, “Behold the maidservant of the Lord! Let it be to me according to your word.”
And so it was that Emmanuel, “God with Us”, at the moment of His Conception entered into Time from the Eternal through Mary as “Jacob’s ladder” between heaven and earth, and putting on the mantle of sinful and fallen human flesh and became the Man Ea-shua Nuss-ra-ya: ‘Victorious Life-Giver’, our Lord and Savior.
The first of all the miracles in God’s plan for the salvation of Man and the renewal of Creation was the sanctification of Time by entering into it from Eternity, and the sanctification of Creation by taking on the flesh of His mother’s womb, thereby sanctifying the womb itself.
This moment of conception is the Theophany of Ea-shua Nuss-ra-ya, the Son of God into this world.
Blessed is Mary among all generations of women, and blessed are all women’s wombs in this first great act of bringing forth the Anointed One who sanctified all of Creation to Himself-the Victorious Lord and Giver of Life, the God-Man Jesus Christ. He put on the mantle of human flesh from His mother so that we could put on the mantle of Christ, our Lord and God.
Blessed is Mary among all generations, for it was her destiny to become the Theotokos, the God-bearer, she who brought forth the Word made flesh. Mary’s faithful response makes her the highest model of obedience [attentive listening] to God and our great example. The Incarnation of the Son of God is not only the work of the Tri-unity, but also the work of the free will and the faith of the Virgin as she herself chose to believe and obey God firmly. On her own word hinged the destiny of mankind and creation.
Then Mary said “Behold the maidservant of the Lord! Let it be to me according to thy word.” And so it was that the Holy One was conceived and was called the Son of God, whose name is Ea-shua, the Giver of Life.
At the moment of a child’s conception the mother, in the image of Mary, becomes the maidservant of our Lord and Creator. The mother holds and nourishes the life of the newly conceived child that is created in the image and likeness of God. Through Mary we have an image and likeness to conform to in word and faith in the Person of Jesus Christ the Incarnate. Once conceived, there is no choice except to be the motherly maidservant of the Lord to bring the pre-born to its own nativity, or else it is obedience to the Murderer from the beginning, and rebellion and hatred of God.
The Word put on flesh, and if we don’t normally think of His pre-born life in His mother’s womb, then perhaps it’s time we should. Jesus was an embryonic baby, and then a fetal baby during Mary’s pregnancy, and then she gave birth to Him. Many scientists say that “life begins at the moment of conception”, substantially and impirically agreeing with ancient Christian belief.
On the other hand, the Rabbinic tradition of the Jews is that “life”, or the soul of a person does not enter into a child until after it is born, and I believe they even say that it depends on circumcision. This explains why so many Jews are on the liberal “pro-choice” side of things because to their morally diseased minds, life has no sanctity unless it is circumcised, that is “Jewish”, otherwise the pre-born are merely animals to be slaughtered and used at Jewish will and good pleasure to enhance themselves.
Again, the satanic Christophobes finally reveal themselves and their hatred of God altogether, and we see how they accomplish the homicidal Judaizing of the Gentile world. Here we see how the Jews have cut themselves off from even the Covenant of Faith God made with Abrahamm the father of many nations, because this covenant was made while Abraham the Hebrew was uncircumised and therefore, a Gentile. Here we see how the fetish of circumcision becomes uncircumcision in the words of Apostle Paul.
Words from a righteous Christian and Pro-Life Activist for 31 years.
“Here’s some Scripture to orient us, because without it we are always confused. Please don’t skim over it. Forget the words of men, forget the media coverage of the presidential race. Just think about these words of Almighty God:
If the people of the community close their eyes when that man gives one of his children to Molech…I will set my face against that man and his family and will cut off from their people both him and all who follow him… (Leviticus 20:1-5)
Do this so that innocent blood will not be shed in your land, which the LORD your God is giving you as your inheritance, and so that you will not be guilty of bloodshed. (Deuteronomy 19:10)
He sent them to destroy Judah…Surely these things happened to Judah according to the Lord’s command, in order to remove them from his presence because of the sins of Manasseh and all he had done, including the shedding of innocent blood. For he filled Jerusalem with innocent blood, and the LORD was not willing to forgive. (2 Kings 24:2-4)
There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood… (Proverbs 6:16-19)
Therefore as surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I will give you over to bloodshed and it will pursue you. Since you did not hate bloodshed, bloodshed will pursue you. (Ezekiel 35:6)
Every Christian should take these teachings seriously. Is the unborn an innocent human being? If you claim to be prolife in the historical meaning of the word, then your answer is yes. Is abortion the shedding of innocent blood, the taking of human life created in the image of God? If you say you are prolife, your answer must be yes. (Please do not redefine the meaning of the word prolife and say “I’m prolife” if you’re really not.)
So, is the candidate’s stand on the issue of shedding innocent blood important enough to disqualify him as a candidate? Yes. While a single issue can’t qualify a candidate, it can disqualify him. In my opinion, this issue clearly disqualifies Barack Obama, just as it disqualified Republican Rudy Giuliani.
I don’t think someone is a good candidate just because he is prolife. But he cannot be a good candidate unless he is prolife. Personally, if he is committed to legalized child-killing, as a matter of conscience I must vote against him.
John Piper takes this same position in an article he wrote about one-issue politics.
Now, when someone says, “But still, abortion isn’t the only issue,” I agree. I care very much about the poor and racial equality. That’s why if John McCain was committed to legalizing the killing of the poor and the killing of ethnic minorities, I would not vote for him either.
But suppose you have two candidates, one who has promised to defend and further the legalized killing of one group of people (any group: women, minorities, disabled, unborn, poor.) You disagree with the other candidate in areas that in their own right might be important, but do not involve the merciless slaughter of millions of people. Furthermore, the second candidate—whom you consider boring and disagreeable—believes that same group of people has the right to live, and he says he will defend their rights, and appoint judges who will defend it. Now, which candidate should you vote for?”
10 Reasons Christians Shouldn’t Vote for Obama
“Dr. George is a man who chooses his words very carefully. And that is why his latest essay, Obama’s Abortion Extremism, is so significant. It begins in this way:
‘Barack Obama is the most extreme pro-abortion candidate ever to seek the office of President of the United States. He is the most extreme pro-abortion member of the United States Senate. Indeed, he is the most extreme pro-abortion legislator ever to serve in either house of the United States Congress.’
“George then raises the fact that many today are suggesting that one can be pro-life and pro-Obama:
‘Yet there are Catholics and Evangelicals—even self-identified pro-life Catholics
and Evangelicals—who aggressively promote Obama’s candidacy and even declare him the preferred candidate from the pro-life point of view.
What is going on here?’ ”
“George proceeds to work through Obama’s legislative career—which has merited a 100% rating each year from the NARAL Pro-Choice America’s Congressional Record on Choice—to show Obama’s unmitigated commitment to abortion, even when the legislation has nothing to do with making abortion illegal. For example:
1. Obama “has promised to seek repeal of the Hyde Amendment, which has for many years protected pro-life citizens from having to pay for abortions that are not necessary to save the life of the mother and are not the result of rape or incest.”
2. Obama has promised that “the first thing I’d do as President is sign the Freedom of Choice Act” ( FOCA). This would make abortion a federally guaranteed right through all nine months of pregnancy for any reason. Virtually every state and federal limitation on abortion that is currently on the books would be abolished (e.g., parental consent and notification laws for minors).
3. Obama opposes the ban on the heinous practice of partial-birth abortion and strongly disagreed with the Supreme Court ruling to uphold the ban.
4. Obama wishes to strip federal funding from pro-life crisis pregnancy centers that provide alternatives to abortion for pregnant women in need.
5. Obama refused to support the pro-life Democrats’ “95-10” legislation (designed to reduce the number of abortions by 95% in 10 years by strengthening the social safety net for poor women). This would not have made abortion illegal; it would seek to reduce abortion.
6. Obama “opposed legislation to protect children who are born alive, either as a result of an abortionist’s unsuccessful effort to kill them in the womb, or by the deliberate delivery of the baby prior to viability.” The bill contained a specific provision that ensured that the bill would not affect abortion laws (Obama and his campaign lied about this fact until it was proven in the records).
7. Obama has co-sponsored a bill authorizing the large-scale industrial production of human embryos for use in biomedical research in which they would be killed. It would require the killing of human beings in the embryonic stage that were produced by cloning, and would make it a federal crime for a woman to save an embryo by agreeing to have the tiny developing human being implanted in her womb so that he or she could be brought to term.
8. Obama was one of the few senators to oppose a bill that would have put a modest amount of federal money into research that would develop methods to produce the exact equivalent of embryonic stem cells without using (or producing) embryos.
” ‘From any rational vantage point, this is unconscionable. . . . Why create and kill human embryos when there are alternatives that do not require the taking of nascent human lives? It is as if Obama is opposed to stem-cell research unless it involves killing human embryos.’ ”
“With regard to those who think that electing Obama will save lots of unborn lives, George writes:
‘They tell us not to worry that Obama opposes the Hyde Amendment, the Mexico City Policy (against funding abortion abroad), parental consent and notification laws, conscience protections, and the funding of alternatives to embryo-destructive research. They ask us to look past his support for Roe v. Wade, the Freedom of Choice Act, partial-birth abortion, and human cloning and embryo-killing. An Obama presidency, they insist, means less killing of the unborn.
This is delusional.’
“George ends his article in this way:
‘What kind of America do we want our beloved nation to be? Barack Obama’s America is one in which being human just isn’t enough to warrant care and protection. It is an America where the unborn may legitimately be killed without legal restriction, even by the grisly practice of partial-birth abortion. It is an America where a baby who survives abortion is not even entitled to comfort care as she dies on a stainless steel table or in a soiled linen bin. It is a nation in which some members of the human family are regarded as inferior and others superior in fundamental dignity and rights. In Obama’s America, public policy would make a mockery of the great constitutional principle of the equal protection of the laws.’”
Indeed, what kind of America, Oh Christians?
I refuse to call this a “holocaust”. That’s playing on the Jew’s terms, a “burnt offering” to their god Molech.
Since 1947, 51 million Pre-born Martyrs of the Nihilistic Age who through their own baptism of blood, as the Orthodox Fathers teach is so, have joined the ranks of the “celestial clouds of witnesses” in Heaven for Christ’s sake, and they join the infant martyrs of the Slaughter of the 200 Innocents slain by wicked King Herod.
St. Clement said “the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church.”
Raise the Holy Cross, oh Christians, and take back the American Street from this monster, and from the Jews who have made this Molech worshipping Harlequin into a black-masked image of themselves. “Be of good cheer! It is I; do not be afraid, ” said the Lord of Creation and our Emmanuel.
Science confirms exactly what Scripture demonstrates, that there is a point at which human life does not exist and then is suddenly created by God. In Science this is known as the point of conception.
Dr. Alfred M. Bongioanni, professor of obstetrics, University of Pennsylvania:
“I have learned from my earliest medical education that human life begins at the time of conception. I submit that human life is present throughout this entire sequence from conception to adulthood and any interruption at any point throughout this time constitutes a termination of human life.”
Dr. Jerome LeJeune, genetics professor at the University of Descartes in Paris (discoverer of the Down Syndrome chromosome):
“After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being. . . . This is no longer a matter of taste or opinion. Each individual has a very neat beginning, at conception.”
Professor Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard University Medical School:
“It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception.”
Professor Hymie Gordon, Mayo Clinic:
“By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception.”
Dr. Watson A. Bowes, University of Colorado Medical School:
“The beginning of a single human life is from a biological point of view a simple and straightforward matter—the beginning is conception.”
Dr. Landrum Shettles, pioneer in sperm biology, fertility and sterility, discoverer of male- and female-producing sperm:
“I oppose abortion. I do so, first, because I accept what is biologically manifest—that human life commences at the time of conception—and, second, because I believe it is wrong to take innocent human life under any circumstances.”
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Noam Chomsky: He once stated in an interview with Bill Buckley that Naziism “was an effort to spread Christian Civilization.” He is anti Israel yet anti Christ.
Carl Sagan: Spread the lie that science has countered religion. Wrote book “the demon haunted world,” where he said that there are no demons. Made a TV show watched by many millions. His last name sounds like that of his master…Satan.
Ayn Rand: Encouraged others to worship Mammon in her books, which are read by high school students across the country. Had a dollar sign instead of a cross as her grave marker.
Karl Marx: Started Communism and Marxism, both atheistic evils that have lead to millions upon millions of deaths, destruction of Christian culture, and still infect China’s many millions to this day.
Sigmund Freud: Started the lie that religion is madness. His perverted ideas still wage war on Christian culture. His last name more accurately have been Fraud.
ALL of the above people are godless JEWS!
Do not fall for a trap set by an anti Christ Jew! They attack “religion” when they really mean Christianity. Trust in Jesus Christ.
Hollywood execs: The average American spends 4 hours watching television a day. Movies and shows are filled with anti Christ references and filth. TV is VERY influential over the minds of our nations youth.
Robert Kagan: Neocon, co-founder of PNAC, Hawk on Bosnia/Iraq/Iran/Russia and McCain advisor, had this to say about spreading American secular “democracy and culture” to Iraq/Iran:
[Do they hope to] “…completely block out the sights and sounds of the rest of the world and thereby shield their people from the temptations of modernity? …the best may be … more modernization, more globalization, faster. This would require greater efforts to support and expand capitalism and the free market in Arab countries, as many have already recommended, as well as efforts to increase public access to the modern world through television…”
The key words are “temptations” and “television.” They want to target youth. This is what is in store for Russia.
Do not fall for a trap set by an anti Christ Jew! Trust in Jesus Christ.
Awesome to think the Jewess Ayan Rand put a dollar sign on her grave instead of a cross or something more conventional. It should be mandatory for all Jews to have a dollar sign over their worm eaten corpses after they’ve gone to hell, because they’ve all sold their souls to Satan for filthy lucre, just like their mentor and namesake Judas sold the Lord for thirty pieces of silver – the redemption money that he so wickedly despised!
The rank atheist Ayan Rand inspired the depraved Jew, Anton LaVey, to found the Church of Satan in California in 1966, and was actually a close friend of the Jew, Alan Greenspan, the notorious ex-chairman and present board advisor of the Fed, and arguably the man most culpable for the mess the US economy is in today.
Like you say, Carl ‘Sagan’ is another Satan, trying to set up a cabbalistic universe without the notion of the Christian God to bother the wicked Jew who has been on the run from God, and has been Harry Houdini-like trying to get out of the bondage to the Devil he knows he’s in for killing Christ, persecuting Christians, and trying to genocide Gentiles to get an evil antichristian world of his own. Harry Houdini was Jew.
Evolutionary science was invented by Jews in the Talmudic academies long before Charlie Darwin got hold of the ludicrous idea. It’s all through the Talmud, and consistent with the whole mindset of the apostate Jew that insists that only the Jew is (divinely) human and that all non-Jews (goyim) are mere beasts.
Rabbi Meir Kahane said Arabs are dogs, but what about the racist Haredi Jews who justify the slave trade Jews invented and think Negroes are apes, based on the Old Testament verse that says Jews brought “silver, ivory, and APES” out of Africa in the days of King Solomon!
What do yo think of this Web site, which argues that the earth doesn’t actually rotate …
Barack Obama`s - RELIGION ??
According to Libya`s Ghadhafi, Obama is a MUSLIM.
Libyan Leader Mu’ammar Al-Qadhafi: Obama Suffers Inferiority Complex That Might Make Him Behave “Whiter Than the White.” He Should Be Proud of His African, MUSLIM Identity.
Following are excerpts from a public address delivered by Libyan Leader Mu’ammar Al-Qadhafi marking the anniversary of the U.S. air raid on Libya. The address aired on Al-Jazeera TV on June 11, 2008:
Mu’ammar Al-Qadhafi: It has been proven that there is no democracy in [the U.S.]. Rather, it is a dictatorship no different than the dictatorships of Hitler, Napoleon, Mussolini, Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great, and the rest of the tyrants. In the days of crazy Reagan, the American president issued a presidential order to launch a war against Libya, for example, a presidential order to besiege Libya, a presidential order to boycott Libya, and so on. Is this a democracy or a dictatorship?
There are elections in America now. Along came a black citizen of Kenyan African origins, a Muslim, who had studied in an Islamic school in Indonesia. His name is Obama. All the people in the Arab and Islamic world and in Africa applauded this man. They welcomed him and prayed for him and for his success, and they may have even been involved in legitimate contribution campaigns to enable him to win the American presidency. But we were taken by surprise when our African Kenyan brother, who is an American national, made statements that shocked all his supporters in the Arab world, in Africa, and in the Islamic world.
We hope that this is merely an elections “clearance sale,” as they say in Egypt – in other words, merely an elections lie. As you know, this is the farce of elections – a person lies and lies to people, just so that they will vote for him, and afterwards, when they say to him: :”You promised this and that,” he says: “No, this was just elections propaganda.” This is the farce of democracy for you. He says: “This was propaganda, and you thought I was being serious. I was fooling you to get your votes.”
Allah willing, it will turn out that this was merely elections propaganda. Obama said he would turn Jerusalem into the eternal capital of the Israelis. This indicates that our brother Obama is ignorant of international politics, and is not familiar with the Middle East conflict.
MEMRI - June 11th 2008
YouTube : Gaddafi: Obama is a Muslim - Foreign Donations to the Obama Campaign
Libyan Leader Mu`ammar Al-Qadhafi
Speech aired on Al-Jazeera (Qatar) JUNE 11th 2008
Obama slips on TV: ‘My Muslim faith’
Presidential candidate drops line in interview discussing his belief
Sept 07, 2008
Slip of the tongue or momentary confusion? In a television interview today discussing his religion, Sen. Barack Obama stated, “My Muslim faith.”
Obama, speaking to ABC’s George Stephanopoulos on “This Week,” was talking about what he described as “smears” that were claiming he was a Muslim when he maintains he is a practicing Christian.
“Let’s not play games,” Obama stated. “What I was suggesting – you’re absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith. And you’re absolutely right that that has not come.”
Stephanopoulos immediately interrupted Obama, stating, “Christian faith.”
“My Christian faith,” Obama quickly said. “Well, what I’m saying is that he (McCain) hasn’t suggested that I’m a Muslim.
Has no one heard of the word : `al-TAQIYYA` ??
Below, a good explanation of it from a Muslim - al-Islam.org :-
The word “al-Taqiyya” literally means: “Concealing or disguising one’s
beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies at a
time of eminent danger, whether now or later in time, to save oneself from
physical and/or mental injury.” A one-word translation would be
The above definition must be elaborated upon before any undertaking of this
topic is to ensue. Although correct, the definition suffers from an
apparent generalization, and lacks some fundamental details that should be
First, the CONCEALMENT of one’s beliefs does NOT necessitate an ABANDONMENT
of these beliefs. The distinction between “concealment” and “abandonment”
MUST be noted here.
For your further information : below is Parts II and III on the Muslims interpretation of
al-taqiyya - and how it is used (`from `the tongue` and not from `the heart`)
al-Taqiyya - Part II - al-islam.org
al-Taqiyya - Part III - al-islam.org
TAQIYYA - Yahoo Search Result
I personally feel 99.9% certain that Barack Obama is a Muslim.
Just cant be certain, of course, as to whether he`ll be `the chosen one` today.
Maybe the TRUTH will come our BEFORE the Inauguration in January 2009
and GWB might retain his position for another 42 MONTHS !
(unless, of course, THAT is speaking of Obama !!)
Ive never known such an interesting election lol.
But on a serious note, it could have serious ramifications - and start riots, whilst the American people wont accept a Muslim, (given their Christian history) but to be stuck with GWB….. ? hmm… that`s not for me to comment upon of course.
Jesus said: “See, I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. So be as cunning as serpents and as innocent as doves.” (Mathew 10:16)
Its my belief that IRAN offered GWB `the necessary opportunity` when he received that letter from Ahmadinejad inviting him `to embrace islam`
Full text of President Ahmadinejad’s letter to George Bush - May 9th 2006
We increasingly see that people around the world are flocking towards a main focal point — that is the Almighty God. Undoubtedly through faith in God and the teachings of the prophets, the people will conquer their problems. My question for you is: “Do you not want to join them?”
Whether we like it or not, the world is gravitating towards faith in the
Almighty and justice and the will of God will prevail over all things.
Vasalam Ala Man Ataba’al hoda
President of the Islamic Republic of Iran ”
Please err DISCERNMENT - I cannot vouch for the legitimacy of the link below :-
History Lesson: “Vasalam Ala Man Ataba’al hoda”
It is debateable as to whether that translates as :-
1. “Peace only unto those who follow the true path.”
2. “Peace be to the one who follows the right/true path.”
Which ever one it is, it still doesnt alter the fact that GWB was given the necessary invitation.
Extra biblical sources are sometimes very helpful. For instance in 1980 we had a brave theologian come forward in the Seventh day Adventist Church and explain that our cardinal doctrine of the Investigative Judgment was wrong. Our “prophetess” had confirmed this doctrine based on Daniel 8:14 claiming that the text in Daniel was talking about the year 1844.
According to Baptist preacher William Miller Jesus was going to return on October 22, 1844 because of his interpretation of Daniel 8:14. It was Second Maccabees chapter 4 that solved the problem for thinking Adventists. That passage told how the Maccabees threw out the forces of Antiochus IV Epiphanes and “Cleansed the Sanctuary” around 165 B.C.
We had believed for over a hundred years that our “Prophetess” had been right about Daniel 8:14 until Dr. Des Ford proved the text was talking about the first Hanukkah in 165 BC rather than 1844 A.D.. The Church flew 120 scholars to Glacier View Camp in Colorado for a week to read Des Ford’s 1000 page document proving the Prophetess wrong. The scholars voted in Des Ford’s favor, but the administrators flew back to Washington DC and printed in the Adventist Review that Dr. Ford had been voted down by the scholars.
It was Second Maccabees 4 that freed my mind from a false prophet and when you couple that with Hebrews 9 you see that Christ entered the Most Holy Place in heaven in 31 A.D. rather than 1844 the way Ellen G. White claimed. None of us could understand the Atonement of Christ until we got that false doctrine and false prophet out of our system.
@ Skip Baker
There are actually three “holy places” that are relevant to what you raised about the atonement, which is, as you say, a doctrine completely misunderstood and misrepresented by the Seventh Day Adventist cult.
Actually all biblical doctrine has three principal lines or aspects to it, according to the biblical principle that a “threefold cord is not quickly broken”, and so that Christians can verify doctrine by reconciling all three and harmonizing them with all of scripture, so that they don’t make a mistake about the solemn implications of it.
Working off the pattern of approach and reconciliation to God provided of God in the design of the tabernacle of testimony in the wilderness and King Solomon’s temple in Jerusalem, Christians know that the first “holy place” of the atonement was the cross of Christ outside the gates of Jerusalem, which answered to the brazen altar in the forecourt of the tabernacle and in the forecourt of Solomon’s temple, and is confirmed by the apostle Paul who wrote to the Jewish converts in the biblical book of Hebrews … “we have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle. For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. Wherefore Jesus also, that the might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.”
Strange as it may seem, the cross where Christ was “made to be sin for us”, and where God who is “of purer eyes than to behold evil” forsook his Son, was indeed a “holy place”, in the sense that he was set apart entirely unto God as an offering for sin at that time, just as a the sin offering in Levitical law is said to be “most holy”.
The second “holy place” relevant to the atonement is the sanctuary of true worship of God according to it, which is where true believers in Jesus gather and bring to remembrance Christ sufferings and death in the ordinance of the eucharist or so-called Lord’s supper, which is not for salvation but to remind true believers of the cost to Christ to get them saved by grace through faith in what he did for them at the cross.
This “holy place” was prefigured by the sanctuary where the pure table, candlestick, shewbread, and altar of incense were placed in the tabernacle of testimony in the wilderness, and to some extent by the sanctuary with similar articles of furniture in Solomon’s temple, under the old legal dispensation.
The third “holy place” relevant to the atonement is “the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven”, where Christ is presently standing as high priest, and is seated at the right hand of the Father, ever living to make intercession for us who believe, and which was prefigured by the “holiest of all” where the ark of the covenant was within the veil in the tabernacle and temple under the old legal dispensation.
It should however be noticed that while the Aaronic priest literally took bull’s and goat’s blood beyond the veil into the holiest of all to make an atonement on the annual day of atonement, Christ did not literally take his blood into the heavenly sanctuary when the “veil” of his body was rent and he ascended up on high, and certainly not in 1844 as heretics like Ellen White and William Miller had probably taught you.
It is essential to understand that Christ’s blood atonement was a once for all sacrifice for sin, in one place, at one time, at the cross where he died; and can never be repeated, relocated, and certainly not transubstantiated. Even Christ’s resurrection body literally had no blood, as constituted a celestial body of “flesh and bones”, which makes it even more preposterous that he somehow took blood into heaven after dying.
What Christ did, however, take into heaven with him when he ascended up on high after his crucifixion was his NAME, which is now all power or authority of God to reconcile to God anyone who comes unto God by him.
How do we come to God by Christ? Well we call on the name of Jesus in prayer, believing in simple child-like faith that he was the Son of God, virgin born, did miracles, died for all, and rose again, and can save anyone who comes to God by him in repentance, recognizing that they’ve sinned and deserve hell without him.
Verification of reconciliation to God by Jesus is by the Holy Ghost, which is given to all who receive Jesus by grace through faith.
Receiving the Holy Ghost is encountering one of the three persons of the deity in manner that is literal and tangible, and transcends mere humanly contrived ordinances like Confirmation and Chrismation; and it’s mentioned by Christ who said the Father would send “another comforter”, and was borne witness to by both Jew and Gentile converts to Christ as mentioned in the Acts, and is enjoyed by millions of Christians worldwide; and infants and imbeciles aside, if you don’t have the Holy Ghost, you are not reconciled to God, even if you are a regular church goer and a nominal Christian.
Consequence Management Response Force
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To Alex… : That Obama was/is TRICKING THEM (or ‘pulling a Putin’ as I have said), & saying WHATEVER IT TAKES to get into the Presidency - is something we should all pray for !… ~~~~ these hints of a Muslim past mean there is a glimmer of hope that this is true, along with the fact that Israelis DON’T trust him ! ~~~~ Jews have themselves talked into believing that they’re smarter than all of us, but I guarantee you there are MANY VERY clever Muslims who are NOT EVIL ! ~~~~ The fact that their religion allows for this concept strengthens my hope !… Let us ALL pray !
Br. Nathanael, & ALL… : Have you seen on Rense.com the article about the STRANGE MURALS AT THE DENVER AIRPORT ? - If ANYONE HASN’T - PLEASE check it out ! ~~~~ One of these VERY disturbing murals depicts three coffins with dead children in them; one Asian/Indian/Arab appearing child, one African/Dark skinned child, & one White/Blonde haired little girl… ~~~~ The article is OBVIOUSLY written by a JEW !… The author is steering the readers to believe that NAZIS are behind these images, and as proof tells us that the little girl in the coffin is Jewish, & that NAZIS wish to kill these three races. ~~~~ But please; LOOK CLOSELY at the image… the white girl is HOLDING THE NEW TESTEMENT !! WE KNOW, BECAUSE THERE IS A CROSS ON THE COVER ! ~~~~ Anti-Christ Jews HATE THE CROSS, so she DOES NOT represent Jews… - but US !!
There is also at the Denver Airport a strange sculpture with a keypad type device on it. The author tells us this probably represents some as-yet unknown NAZI/ALIEN technology ! ~~~~ I’m sorry, but DAMN ! How stupid do they think we are ?… It’s so OBVIOUS that this keypad represents the planned upcoming CASHLESS/ELECTRONIC debit-card type of economic system… which utilizes a KEYPAD ! ~~~~ They are VERY BOLD, & they love to use symbolism to hide their plans in plain sight, because they can’t resist bragging & gloating about how ‘clever’ they are…. (HA !)
Greetings in the Lord Jesus from No Cal in US of Talmudistan:
@ Joshua re: “Free mind… : You speak of “knowledge”, & the “superiority of the learned man over the ignorant worshipper”, & that “the blood of a scholar is holier than.. a martyr”… .”
Replace the words “learned man” and “scholar” with “Sage” or “Rabbi” and this is pretty much right out of the Talmud in terms of Rabbinic self-glorification in their “traditions of men”. Free spirit is probably a Judaizing troll, and probably not an eclectic New Age humanist. Note the emphasis on the superiority of scholarship over faith and worship, and not “reason over faith and worship”, which would be a more ’scientific’ mind.
The Denver Airport Murals have been there for years, and they are really evil “New Age” stuff boasting about Luciferian supremacy. Denver is known as a hot-bed for satanic Judeo-Masonic Illuminati NWO stuff, and is tied into all kinds of theories, some credible and some not. The airport is saturated with all kinds symbolism. People who’ve flown there for some reason have said that the airport is exceptionally creepy. Pray and don’t be too bothered by them.
I Apologize for the multiple posts, but I must warn people - there are MANY websites, & articles that CLAIM to have Christian authorship… but are ACTUALLY JEWS ! ~~~ Through Christ I am able to see RIGHT THROUGH their lies ! ~~~~ Their method is to mix truth (even quoting the New Testement !) - with LIES, & they do it well ! ~~~~ I.E. : An article about a shipment of 30,000 guillotines (seems to be true) which points to the Vatican as responsible for this, as well as the murder of J.F.K., & that the Vatican has benefitted the most from his death ! (an obvious mis-direction) ~~~~ “So BE as cunning as serpents ” & PRAY for guidance !
To KathJuliane… : You’re probably right about ‘Free mind’, but I thought he (and anyone that reads his/her nonsense) needed to be corrected/encouraged in the RIGHT direction. ~~~~ As for the murals - I’m much more bothered by the words that accompany them on Rense.com… for most who read that article will be erroneously off on a path of investigating/researching NAZIS & ALIENS… Instead of the JEWS that are REALLY behind these murals ! ~~~~ I cannot - but someone (Br. Nathanael ?) should notify Jeff Rense, & his readers so they are not misled !
One last off-topic point to make… Thanks for your patience w/ me Br. Nathanael ! ~~~~ I’ve been asking Jesus earnestly for guidance, & I KNOW I’ve recieved it ! Even in the midst of such terrible times, I feel JOY - because I REALLY feel that He is helping me ! Praise be to Him ! ~~~~ We ALL KNOW who the Beast is… & we KNOW its mark ! For it is the Star of David… which can EASILY be converted to the Number of said Beast !… It can also be found on EVERY American Dollar - Hidden in plain sight. ~~~~ Sadly, MANY in the World have ALREADY taken it into their hands… and it is always on their MINDS !! ~~~~ Anyone else have any thoughts on this matter ?
Jewsribs: “It is essential to understand that Christ’s blood atonement was a once for all sacrifice for sin, in one place, at one time, at the cross where he died; and can never be repeated, relocated, and certainly not transubstantiated.”
No, sorry. This is an ORTHODOX web blog. WHat you have iterated is pure anticlerical protestant reductionism!
Holy Orthodoxy has both ‘bemas’ and ‘holy of holies’ in their TEMPLES- that is what they call their churches. Moreover, the Orthodox, unlike the Western Rite, wears the same temple vestments(More or less) as they existed in the Moasaic Dispensation. They also believe in the TRUTH of ‘transubstantiation’ if not the ‘dogma’ as defined by Rome.
That is why they are called ‘mysteries.’
Please have courtesy in speaking of things that are anathema to Orthodox Christians. We believe our priesthood alone of all the ‘Churches’ on Earth to be ‘valid,’ for without a sacrifice, there is no priesthood. And, Lord knows, Protestants don’t even believe in such, and therefore, don’t even have an altar like the early church did. [Heb. 13:10]
I think the little blonde girl represents a jewish christian she does have a star of david as well as the cross, however its more as the jews wore in Germany during WWII.
Jim De Texas… : I can’t believe this !… That is NOT THE SAME IMAGE that I saw on Rense.com - LAST NIGHT ! ~~~~ Now when I go to Rense… I can’t view the images ! They’re all glitched out ! ~~~~ I SWEAR TO GOD IN HEAVEN, Jim… That IS NOT the same image ! - The one on Rense had NO STAR, & NO FLOWERS ! THE ONE I SAW HAD NOTHING BUT *ONE BLACK BOOK* WITH A CROSS ON THE COVER !!! ~~~~ … In the image you link to - THE BOOK HAS BEEN PAINTED OVER COMPLETELY - WITH FLOWERS AND A GOLD STAR !! ~~~~ Please, can ANYONE see the version on Rense ? This is very disturbing to me !
Repost please in a manner that does not personally attack someone.
Greetings in the Lord from No Cal Talmudistan
@Joshua Christ is with you!
I just checked the Denver picture at a different site. The little girl had a Bible in her arms with the cross. Don’t get frazzled, you saw what you saw the first time.
Rense is a good site with a lot of excellent information on the evil ‘octopus’, and he takes quality posts and links from writers who have been blacklisted by the Jewish media, but it is also more of a “secular” popular market site than BN’s. He takes all kinds of postings having to do with the Illuminati and NWO, some of them are speculative and very far fetched.
As far as the “real” ET’s or “aliens” go, in some of the early monastery chronicles and lives of the saints, there are recorded material manifestations of bizarre little green, grey and black “men” or demons, and sometimes strange flying vessels, glowing children, demonic seductresses, angels of light, etc, etc. After all, Jacob wrestled with the good angel all night, which means a physical manifestation. Demons are fallen angels, they still have certain angelic powers.
That swine Crowley in one of his perverse workings managed to manifest a spiritual creature which he sketched which looks suspiciously like the later UFO aliens.
The “space brothers”, “White Brotherhood”, “Tibetan Masters”, etc are the fallen angels and evil spirits, so they are otherworldly, and they specialize in delusion and beguilement. These most closely resemble the demonic “Archons” and “Eons” of the ancient Gnostic magical systems. Simon Magus from the Bible presented himself as “some great one” or an Archon and was completely possessed by Satan and was able to perform “lying signs and wonders”. Apostle Peter through the Holy Spirit was able to defeat Simon’s sorcery.
Back in the 1800’s, there was an outbreak of demonic activity in England, America and Europe as more and more interest arose in the pagan oriental and Egyptian secret cults, illumined Judeo-Masonic lodges, black magick and spiritism. Our world is an era of heavy occult magick and satanism, and a lot of loose energy in the air from electricity and electronics, and who knows what wicked scientists, Dr. Strangeloves, and physicists are doing with their toys?
The Lord of Sabaoth is in control of all things. Joy in Christ is a good thing, but be careful of pride.
There are also crazy people writing, and professional disinformationists writing up crazy stories to keep things confused.
For a different take on the UFO phenomenon from a well researched book ~Reich of the Black Sun~ that makes sense instead of leading down all kinds of bunny trails, this is about stolen Nazi technology. IMHO after reading the book, the entire Roswell story falls apart and it was a massive disinformation coverup for real world Nazi technology that had been stolen from Nikolai Tesla’s theories and further advanced by the US Government. (Tesla was Serbian Orthodox born in Hungary.)
“Pearls before ‘trolls’” and all that. I see Free Spirit didn’t come back. A part of wisdom is picking and choosing one’s battles. Those who are generally interested in learning something will stick with Brother Nathanael’s site, even those who are not Christian. There are pagans, Jews and Muslims who are willing to discuss by way of commentary and so exchange ideas, because everything BN writes about and brings to our attention ultimately affects us all.
BN is a real blessing because he is a former Jew, renounced every part of that when he became an Orthodox catechumen as works of Satan. After whatever period of time he spent within the community life of the Church-usually a year and maybe longer–he was baptised by three-fold immersion in the name of the Holy Tri-unity, he became dead to his old self, being spiritually resurrected in Christ by grace because baptism symbolizes the Lord’s death, three days in the tomb, and resurrection. The water baptism links St. John’s baptism with the “sign of Noah”.
I personally believe only life in Orthodox Christianity can restore sanity to the Jew, because of its antiquity and rootedness in Jerusalem and its “eastern” orientation. Technically, our ancient Mother Church of the Apostles of Jerusalem is the “Old Testament Church” because the epoch did not close for old Israel until 70 AD with the destruction of the Temple.
Orthodox Holy Tradition retains the forms of the synagogue and temple liturgies. (Fr. John, if the Tridentine is the oldest Latin Mass, then this is probably true for it, too.) The Divine Liturgy essentially has two parts: one with roots in the Synagogue and the Eucharistic part from the Temple. A multitude of priests, and presumably Levites, became believers (Acts 6:7). They did not officiate as high priests, but they became obedient to the faith under the Apostles. They, too, brought with them the hymns, prayers, chants and benedictions of the temple, while convert synagogue rulers brought the synagogue liturgies.
From those traditions came the Orthodox Readers’ Liturgies of the Hours and Watches, with or without the priest, and then the various Divine Liturgies. All of the chants are from Scripture and the Psalms, and the Orthodox traditionally use no musical instruments.
Of the converts of the circumcision that I know, once they became a little involved with Orthodox life, as one said to me “this feels so Jewish. This is what Judaism should be.” Judaism is an organic liturgical life of synagogue and home; Orthodoxy is a liturgical life of church and home. They meant it in a very good sense. By the time they were baptized, they just no longer thought of themselves as “Jewish”, but “Orthodox Christians of the ancient Hebrews.”
One good-natured “secular” Jew with a PhD married to a lapsed Catholic woman also with a PhD who wanted to convert to Orthodoxy, was waiting for her in our bookstore when he happened to hear the chant in some part of the cycle of liturgy, “Hear O Israel, the Lord, our God, the Lord is One.” He remembered from his youth in synagogue what that was: the great ~Shema~. He said it was an electrifying experience at that “Eureka” moment, for he realized what the Shema was saying, that it testified of the Holy Tri-une God. They’d been married for twenty years and he finally “got” Jesus. That night with tears he said he wanted to convert, and he and his wife were made catechumens together a couple of weeks later.
The Early Church Fathers always called converts from Judaism the “Christians of the circumcision” in their writings, and also of the local Semitic Christians who kept the circumcision and other local early traditions like the Syrian Church today, in order to completely distinguish them from Jews and Judaizers who still adhered to the ancient temple rituals and sacrifices, and clung to the Pharisee Oral Law and rabbis.
In the early days we, all of us Christians in the early historical Church, were called the “Galileans” by others, meaning the church of the Galilean Apostles and the Lord Himself. Before the name “Christian” was first heard in Antioch, we simply called ourselves the “followers of the Way”. There was an early split between the Galileans (which included Gentiles, Samarians and other Palestinians) and the heretical Judaizers, such as the Nazarenes, who denied the divinity of Jesus and His perfect sacrifice, and continued to offer sacrificial animals. That people of the Church of Jerusalem continued to pray and preach at the Temple is a different matter because they were entirely aware of the Lord’s impending judgment of Jerusalem and the Temple.
The Gospel of St. John the Theologian was written to combat the Judaizing heresies of the Nazarenes as well as the Ebionites and Ebionite-Gnostics.
Anyway, converts don’t lose their basic personality or the good things from their former life and upbringing. I know several of the circumcision. Conversion to Orthodoxy takes a considerable amount of time until baptism, is often spiritually, mentally and emotionally arduous, and requires examination of conscience and inner critical reflection under the guidance of one’s priest or spiritual father.
A convert from the West where things are more reasoned and cerebral, even legalistic, also goes through a “going East” process that is more organic and involves the entire person. As a convert once said “Catholics study the Mysteries, formulate dogmas, theologians and scholars look at things this way and that way, and then the faithful reverently approach the ineffable Mysteries. The Orthodox approach the ineffable Mysteries and jump right in without much analysis or philosophy”.
I may have mentioned elsewhere that Catholicism historically resorted to dogmatic “legalistic” definitions like “transubstantiation” and such, in large part because at that period in history some of the clergy were indifferent or ignorant to the holy Sacraments and profaning them in their handling and rites. As a consequence, many more things were “legalized” in order to draw a “fence” around the sacred Mysteries and make the clergy more accountable and responsible. (Which is not to say that the Eastern clergy were perfect. There were down cycles every so often, people became lax, there were scandals because we are all still fallen sinners.)
Along with the historical and political turmoils of the Latin West, Catholicism went through a phase that the Orthodox did not about the 14th century, called Scholasticism, which was Blessed Thomas Aquinas’ efforts to combine theology and Aristotlean philosophy into higher Latin thought on the idea that reason can lead to faith, and the reasoning mind apprehend the mystery of God. There is a place in the Church for philosophy, for science, and for theology as disciplines, but to try to combine them in an innovative way is a real problem.
Noooo, we do not do cult mind control, or “magic”. You work on your own head and heart under Church discipline to try to kill off or “mortify” the “works of the flesh”, also called “subduing the passions” as described in Gal 5:19-21. God helps out quite a bit with prayer and cycles of fasting.
There are many converts from Judaism throughout Orthodox history who have become great pastors and thinkers and keep their traditional family names, but like with any convert to Orthodoxy, the old man must become entirely “dead” in Christ, and then reborn by water and the Spirit. This is especially true for the unrepentant Jew who swore himself as the enemy of Christ with an everlasting hatred, and therefore also of God the Father.
I saw “Admin Angel” identified HIMSELF, LOL, so I won’t repeat what Michael of S. already said about the blood curse. God bless you for your thoughts. But another aspect is the “unforgiveable sin” of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Jesus, the image of His Father, work miracles, but the Pharisees and Sages, ancestors of the modern Jews, out of phenomenal hatred, spiritual blindness and pride blasphemed the Holy Spirit as the Devil and Beezelbub, and Jesus as a sorceror. The Jews had the Scripture, the revelation through the Prophets, the promises, and then Jesus was in their midst, yet out of sheer hate they rejected their own Messiah, the One who would perfect the Covenant of Abraham with His own Blood.
This sin is unforgiveable not because God is unwilling to forgive, but when you call what is all Good, Love, Beauty and Truth as the Devil and Evil, where does the hateful, hard hearted, spiritually blind Jew go for true forgiveness? There is nowhere else for the Jew to turn to One evil spirit departed when the house was swept clean, but being an empty house, the first evil spirit returned with more of his fellows, ever hardening the heart.
They cut themselves off from the Holy Spirit and the Covenant of Abraham, “making their circumcision of none effect.”
Jews who authentically turn to Jesus Christ in humility and repentence will be forgiven. He promised that. But Jesus also said that He would NOT come to them until they were capable of saying from the deepest part of their “Blessed is He [Jesus Christ] that comes in the name of the Lord” acknowledging Him as the ancient expected Messiah in turning to Him in a penitent heart.
The Orthodox pray for the conversion of the Jews.
jewsribsinbearjawNovember 4, 2008 @ 2:52 pm
@ Skip Baker
“There are actually three “holy places” that are relevant to what you raised about the atonement, which is, as you say, a doctrine completely misunderstood and misrepresented by the Seventh Day Adventist cult.”
Ellen G. White as a false prophet was very clever. She followed what ever the ministers and others were saying around her, and then pretended to have a “vision” about it.
The way the “Sanctuary Doctrine” first got started was left over from the false “Shut Door Doctrine” by the early Adventists. First they taught that the “door of mercy was shut” after Jesus failed to come to earth on October 22, 1844. They claimed that “no more sinners” could be saved other than themselves, because Christ had gone into the Most Holy Place instead of coming to earth. Ellen taught that crazy doctrine for 7 years. By 1851 even her and her husband James White realized the Shut Door couldn’t be true.
Now how were they going to change this mistake? That’s when they came up with the “Sanctuary Doctrine” to replace the “Shut Door.” Satan was very clever with the Sanctuary Doctrine because it hid Christ’s Atonement form us who would grow up in the Adventist church from then on. After 1851 Ellen G. White never mentioned the Shut Door again and James stopped writing about it in the Advent Review & Sabbath Herald so new members never knew that “the Prophet” had ever uttered such nonsense.
William Miller the Baptist minister who had taken Daniel 8:14 and claimed it foretold the Second Coming of Christ to be October 22, 1844, figured the 2300 days was from 457 BC when Xerxes the Great ordered the rebuilding of the Temple would be 2300 years and end up at 1844 A.D. Now they were stuck with a Doctrine based on a verse that was talking about the prediction of the first Hanukkah in 165 B.C. but the New England farmers who started Adventism never heard of Antiochus Epiphanes and the Maccabees who threw him out of the Temple and his defiling the Sanctuary so long ago. Antiochus had sacrificed a pig on the Alter and it remained defiled for 2300 days back then. That’s what Daniel 8:14 was really talking about, NOT 1844.
Now we Adventists were stuck with this crazy doctrine that had been devised to cover up yet another false doctrine. When theologians questioned this nonsense the Adventists said that Christ entered the Most Holy at the time he went up to heaven and then came back out again, and waited 1800 years in the Second Most Holy place until 1844. Of course it was so confusing to the layman that nobody could figure it out, but they thought if the great Prophet Ellen White said that’s how it happened, that must by how it happened.
That’s why it made it so hard to understand what Christ’s death was all about. I always wondered why He did that until Des Ford came along and explained Hebrews 9 and what the Atonement was all about: the Full and free Pardon for sins because of a horrific torture that Jesus went through.
He caused a revolution in the Adventist church and thousands woke up and left the church realizing that if Ellen G. White was that screwed up, she had to be a false prophet. But we couldn’t convince our families that she had been wrong. Ministers were called on the carpet and asked if they stood by Ellen White or not. Those who stood on scripture were fired and lost everything. We were laymen working for the church at the time, and I got a license plate for my car that just said: “HERETIC.”
Of course my job was no longer needed at the Adventist Media Center and I was let go, Those who stood on Truth lost everything. In New Zealand and Australia where Dr. Des Ford was from they lost 40% of the preachers. The Church Administrators just LIED to the members in the official church papers and most people never knew what happened.
It was the chance to question my own belief system in 1980 that made it easier to see that the government was lying about 911 in 2001. I had already lived through the powers that be lying to those who trust them. All of this is just the great war between Christ and Satan and every time the powerful lie, it is Satanic.
@ Father John-
A treat for the eyes for you, I believe, and I hope others:
It’s the Orthodox Church’s antidote to the “Communist/Humanist Manifesto”. Christians now have a “Manifesto” of their own. This document follows the ancient ideological pattern of “Symphony” between Church and State of the Byzantine Roman Empire that was formulated by Justinian Caesar Augustus in the 6th century. Essentially “Symphony” described the two separate and distinct spheres of Church and State that were in mutual submission and obedience to each other.
Bases of the Social Concept of the Russian Orthodox Church
Adopted at the Sacred Bishops’ Council of the Russian Orthodox Church, this document sets forth the basic provisions of her teaching on church-state relations and a number of problems socially significant today. It also reflects the official position of Moscow Patriarchate on relations with state and secular society. In addition, it gives a number of guidelines to be applied in this field by the episcopate, clergy and laity.
The nature of the document is determined by the needs experienced by the whole of the Russian Orthodox Church during a long historical period both within and beyond the canonical territory of Moscow Patriarchate. Therefore, its deals primarily with fundamental theological and ecclesio-social issues, as well as those aspects of the life of state and society which were and are equally relevant for the whole Church in the end of the 20th century and in the nearest future.
The document is about 20 pages long on the site.
@ Fr. John
You say the priesthood of the various factions of the Orthodox Church is alone valid, but scripture says ALL true Christians have a valid priesthood by virtue of the anointing of the Holy Ghost. As it is written: “Now he [God] which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us is God; who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts” (2 Cor. 1.21, 22).
And again: “The anointing which ye [as Christians] have received of him [the Father] abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” (1 Jn2.27).
You say priests in the various factions in the Orthodox Church have “the same priestly vestments (more or less)” as the Aaronic priests under the now defunct Mosaic dispensation; but scripture says the Mosaic dispensation, with its worldly sanctuary (Heb. 9.1), and priests made after a carnal commandment, is not to be imitated, and certainly not outside of national Israel, and makes it plain that no Christians had anything to do with the same (Acts 15. 5-10).
You get certain men in this new dispensation exclusively gifted as apostles, pastors and teachers; but there is no New Testament precedent for male members of the church, the body of Christ, to be celebrated exclusively as priests. The apostle Peter say ALL true Christians are priests, where it’s written: “Ye [as Christians] are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptably to God by Jesus Christ”.
Indeed Peter adds: “Ye [as Christians] are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him [God] that has called you out of darkness into his marvellous light”.
You say “without a sacrifice, there is no priesthood”; but scripture says Christ’s blood is the once for all sacrifice that gives all true Christians boldness to enter as priests into the “holiest” in worship of God, and the liberty to “draw near to God with a true heart in full assurance of faith”.
It is not right to deny Christians the liberty all early believers had as priests of God to offer sacrifices of praise and to worship God according to the efficacy of the once for all sacrifice of Christ. For it is written: “By him [Christ] therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name”.
There is no New Testament precedent for an exclusive male priesthood among true Christians alone offering sacrifices to God, either according to the eucharist or so-called Lord’s supper or in an assembly of believers in general, and certainly not outside of or beyond that context. Like you say, transubstantiation is not a “truth” you or the Orthodox Church has ever substantiated by scripture, simply because you cannot do so; which is why you call it a “mystery”, as distinct from the unsubstantiated dogma it is in Roman Catholicism.
The only anointing now for priesthood is the anointing of the Holy Ghost. Oil was never used to anoint an exclusive male priesthood in the New Testament, only the sick and in conjunction with prayer of the elders (Js. 5.14, 15). Use of a concocted oil to anoint an exclusive male priesthood in Christendom in imitation of the holy oil used to anoint the Aaronic priests under the now defunct Mosaic dispensation in Israel is quite without a precedent in the New Testament, and actually extremely dangerous.
For Jehovah said: “Upon man’s flesh shall it not be poured, neither shall ye make any other like it, after the composition of it: it is holy, and it shall be holy unto you. Whosoever compoundeth any like it, or whosoever putteth any of it upon a stranger, shall even be cut off from his people.” (Ex. 30.30-33).
I assume by your blog name that you profess to be of the priesthood of God, which means I have a biblical precedent to expect that you have the anointing of the Holy Ghost. Let me ask you, do you have the Holy Ghost? If you can answer yes, would you be so kind to provide for the benefit of the readers of this blog a brief account of how you got it, and just what are its operations and manifestations on a day-to-day basis?
JewsRibs - I don’t have the time to answer your questions, which should better be handled by a Priest in your own locality, if you are seriously looking for instruction in the Christian faith.\
Yet, Br. Nathanael asked me to respond, as he is going into the hospital. Forgive me if I am harsh, but I shall have to do this quick and to the point.
ALL true Christians have a valid priesthood by virtue of the anointing of the Holy Ghost.
I agree, but that transmission of the HS ONLY comes via the organs of the Body of Christ, the Church of the Firstborn, the Catholic and Orthodox Faith.
WITHOUT that sacramental washing, administered by a priest in apostolic succession, all your arm-waving, scripture-texting, and ‘witness’ are as so much dung. Unless you have the ‘pnevma’ you ain’t got NOTHIN’! And the Pnevma, or Holy Spirit, is chanelled via the sacramental mysteries of the Church, and no where else….especially to those who say they are part of God’s Family, and are not.
I therefore skip all your blather, and cut to the chase. You end your diatribe, by saying “f you can answer yes, would you be so kind to provide for the benefit of the readers of this blog a brief account of how you got it, and just what are its operations and manifestations on a day-to-day basis?”
Why should I talk to you of MY sanctification, which is a private matter between God, myself, and my Confessor? But, I will say this. I was baptized, chrismated/confirmed, and trust in God alone for my salvation. But I cannot have that salvation OUTSIDE of the walls of the Church. Surely, the parable of the 10 foolish and wise virgins is an apt analogy, or the place in Chronicles of Narnia, where Aslan tells the ’sons of Adam’ and “daughters of Eve’ that the Witch tried to get into the “Garden” another way, and suffers eternally for it…..
The best thing to do, is respect this forum’s parameters, and seek to talk to an Orthodox clergyman if you are interested in salvation. I don’t frequent protestant boards doing what you do. I learned long ago that it only is upsetting, and not edifying.
I don’t mean to be rude, but sometimes that’s all one has time for.
Dear Fr John & jewsrib -
First of all, I would like to thank my dear friend and fellow Orthodox Christian, Fr John, for answering in an Orthodox manner with true Orthodox doctrine, jewrib’s contentions against our Holy Orthodox Christian priesthood and Holy sacraments, which we hold dear.
So, now that both sides have expressed their position, THIS IS THE END OF THIS THREAD.
Please do not respond to this dear jewsrib for your post WILL NOT be published if you do. +BN
Oh, dear. I see someone is still trying to overturn the mystical Holy Orthodox Catholic and Apostolic Ecclesia of Romana Byzantia, the ancient heritage of all true Christians-Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant alike.
God bless you all, and well said Fr. John.
Dear KathJuliane, … : Thank you for your concern, I do so appreciate it ! ~~~~ But it isn’t the outlandish articles & little green men that worry me… it is the mural itself (it’s REAL ) & the fact that it’s been CHANGED to cover up the *Christian ONLY* connotations of the originalORIGINAL image ! (like, as if the ADL,etc. wouldn’t be ALL OVER IT - If it REALLY portrayed a Jewish girl !)~~~~ Can you please direct me to where you found the original ? I felt foolish when I tried to show my friend, & all I could find was the PAINTED OVER version… ~~~~ P.S…. If I came across as prideful, I’m really not !… Just glad to be awake ! (p.p.s. : thoughts on the Star of David BEING the mark that was foretold ?) ~~~~ Thanks !
The little blonde girl no cross no star
this is looking more like a to do list
my apology for the multiple posts
Every so often figures and symbols in those murals get repainted or touched up for some reason, either for simply artistic and maintenance reasons because there is a lot of ordinary passenger traffic. It is also a major international airport for the rich, famous and power elite and European aristocracy taking their vacations in Colorado. If the mural itself has been physically changed by blotting out the Bible and cross at the airport, that would be significant in “illuminology”.
I’ve always felt that the murals were a visual communication media instructing Luciferian illuminati by the changes in symbols.
I’m not convinced that the European girl actually means a “Judeo-Christian”, or has some reference to WW2 and the Jews. Symbols can have more than one meaning. For one thing, the Nazis had a complete system of color-coded stars for different types of prisoners-Communists, homosexuals, resistance, criminals, Jews, dissident Christians, etc. Off of memory, so it may be inaccurate, those stars were generally worn on the left side shirt or sleeve.
The star on the girl’s frock is on the right and it actually is a double star, sort of goldish from this photo with a lavendar starshaped background. (on the other hand, sometimes the “star” looks more like an abstract doll to me that the girl is holding). Anyway, again according to memory, in the Nazi camps lavendar stars were worn by the incarcerated homosexuals.
So, maybe an interpretation would also be the destruction of traditional Christian womanhood (chaste innocent girl), Christian love and charity (red rose) family virtue (Biblical morals) and child-bearing roles (burying the (?) doll=baby) all in the same coffin by liberal feminism, sexual liberation, abortion eugenics, and the GLBT agenda.
@Jim de Texas
The ‘Cutting Edge’ photo of the girl in the mural dates from 1996, I believe, so there are several versions out there.
A very interesting thing is the use of patchwork quilts as the padding in the girl’s coffin, which identifies her as an American girl, not European. Patchwork quilts are uniquely an American art and craft. They were invented by the American pioneer and settler women of the early western frontier in the early-mid 1800’s, and became the major domestic homecraft out of necessity, both in the frontiers and more civilized areas because of shortage of cloth. The pioneer quilts are understandable, but quilts became the national “home industry” under the contemporary “American Economics” policies of self-sufficiency. The US had cut the commercial ties and dependency on British cotton mills, and was just establishing the American textile industry. The frugal women of the time dealing with the textile shortages invented the muslim and calico patchwork quilt recycling worn out clothes and trading pieces with each other, and formed up the “quilting bees”.
The visible quilt pattern to the left of the girl is a variation “the Star of Bethlehem” which was invented in the Pennsylvania area, where the Amish women are still famous quilters, and the entire area is Biblical Christian. If the Eastern Seaboard was Anglo-Saxon, the north Midwest was settled by Nordic/Teutonic/Germanic types or the “Pennsylvanian Dutch” (really Deutch, or German.) The Star of Bethlehem meaning is obvious–the Nativity of Jesus Christ.
Quilts are uniquely a traditional American Woman home domestic craft, and so symbol for this mural. Pennyslvania also ties in with Philadelphia, the Constitution and the Liberty Bell.
The Cutting Edge photo shows the “star” on the girl’s vest much clearer. I’ll go with her not being a “Jewish Christian”, but the liberal Judaizing (burying) of Christian America.
To Jim DeTexas… : Thanks for the effort ! However - the links you provide are the same as Rense’s. There is naught but an empty frame w/ a red ‘X’ in it. I’ve searched for hours on dozens of sites, & I have yet to see the same version as the first one I saw… ~~~~ … To KathJuliane… : I *CAN* view the link you’ve provided, but that image is the same as the first one provided by Jim in which THE NEW TESTEMENT HAS BEEN COVERED WITH A GOLD STAR, AND FLOWERS !… it IS the same girl, but what she WAS holding has been painted over. (the white ’shadow’ under the gold star is all that remains of PART of the white Cross)~~~~ Thanks to you both !
Very interesting, may I ask your background are you a history professor?
what is the significance of the broken time neckless around her neck?
This link may help you.
@Joshua and Jim de Texas,
God bless you, blush, but no, I am not a PhD in history. My background is eclectic, but I’ve always had a historical curiosity about things and traditions. Weird and interesting facts stick to my head like a bunch of sticky notes. Before my hands went bad from chemo, I did all kinds of arts and crafts, one was quilting. The classic quilts and their geometric patterns were invented and developed by Christian women to tell a story inspired by their lives, and all the classic patterns have names to them. “Flying Geese”, “Log Cabin”, etc. I remember one called the Star of Texas, a very intricately rayed and beautiful quilt star of many small pieces based on the Star of Bethlehem pattern, and the colors were arranged like a star bursting forth from the center.
The Log Cabin quilt which is a square patchwork invented early, became popular before and during the Civil War because of Abraham Lincoln. In the ‘underground railway’ that moved escaping slaves to the North, sympathizer safe-houses were known by the Log Cabin pattern if the block had a red square center. If one hung out on the clothesline, then slaves knew that it was a safehouse and they would get Christian treatment on the way north.
@ Joshua-Look under the daisy in the girl’s hand, in the squarish area on the Cutting Edge photo. Looking closer, it is supposed to be a necklace with a cross, but I took it to be a book the way it is painted. The girl is wearing a navy blue vest over a red dress, and the opening in the vest is squarish.
From Jim de Texas’ post, from the farther distance its hard to tell if the cross is missing or not. That distance shot locks down an interpretation that the girl is American (the quilt places her as the Bible belt ‘Heartland’ of Middle America, also known as “the Fly-Over States) because the imagery to the left is definitly American Indian art with spiritual symbolism. The buffalo trophy represents the buffalo that the native way of life on the land that the tribes depended on which had been cut off by the Western expansion.
The Indian woman with the glow around her head is not in a coffin. It looks like she is holding a papoose, so would be either an “Earth is our Mother” symbol from a part of a speech given to Congress by Chief Yellow Lark [?] (and a baptized Christian, so not an “earth goddess”) protesting the thefts and forced sales of congressionally recognized sovereign national lands of the tribes by corporate exploiters that were breaking presidential treaties made with the various chieftans. That part of the speech was something like “the earth is our mother, who gives freely, how can I sell my mother?”.
With the papoose it might be Mary and Jesus interpreted through the religion of the Native American Church, but held suppressed by the white culture.
@ Joshua, dear. We may be spoofing ourselves somewhat on this particular thing, because we aren’t used to the artistic tradition and culture of the artist that this was created in and what inspired his artisty. In other words, in terms of the mural itself, we are going to see what we want to see.
What the airport is being used for by the Illuminati since then is a different story, because there is something weird going on. It would be natural for them to hire a a left wing artist. And of course, we still must be wise as serpents.
The mural art style is found everywhere in Hispanic culture. I just did a little background checking on the freelance artist himself, Leo Tanguma, and looked at some of his work elsewhere posted. The DIA murals are very consistent with his other style of work and he’s done a number of murals. He lives locally in Colorado and is world reknown for his Chicano art.
He comes from the political Mexican Mural Art tradition, inspired by Diego Rivera (google for some examples of his work) who was a ’30’s Mexican Communist revolutionary and political artist who later turned Catholic. Because most Mexican people were illiterate, Rivera resorted to the strong artistic symbology to get his message across in political street art.
Tanguma, a Hispanic American, is apparently motivated by the struggles of the poor, labor, and the environment and on the and the anti-war side of things, and his political art is influenced by both his Christian beliefs, he states, and concern for the environment.
“Tanguma likes to keep things simple. He may be left-wing, but he says he’s not a liberal intellectual. He’s a Christian who thinks of his murals as painted sermons, depicting the virtues of the poor and hardworking, and warning against the evils of greed and violence.
“Like many painters trained in the Mexican style of mural art, Tanguma gears his work to the street and all of its elements, everyone from businessmen and college professors to people like his parents, who were all but illiterate. The last thing Tanguma wants is for viewers to mistake his meaning.
“The visitors stayed for more than an hour, looking around his studio, talking. One of the women asked Tanguma if the airport had told him what to paint. He remembers that, because he remembers how she said it. He told her no, that he was given no instructions on content. And then the visitors began to talk about how the United Nations was another conspiracy to take over the United States.
“How do you figure that?” he asked.
Before they left, they went to the back of their van and pulled out a thick, photocopied book detailing the U.N. conspiracy. They gave Tanguma the book. He knew where it was until about ten years ago, when he moved his studio from the strip mall to a modest house in Arvada where he lives with his wife.
Now that his art has become so central to a growing group of conspiracies, he wishes he could find it.
In 1947 [Diego Rivera] he began a mural for the newly built Hotel del Prado, which he called “Sueño de una tarde dominical en la Alameda Central” (Dream of a Sunday afternoon in the Alameda). In the center section is Frida, the wife of the dictator Díaz who opened his first exposition and Rivera as a ten-year-old boy holding the hand of a calavera (skeleton - the symbol of the Day of the Dead, which combines ancient traditions with religious beliefs to honor one’s ancestors). Next to the calavera is José Guadalupe Posada the commercial artist who impressed Rivera as a young boy. Posada often included a calavera in his engravings. However his inclusion of the phrase “God does not exist” again created a scandal and the mural was hidden by a red screen for ten years and almost forgotten. .
“In 1954 Frida [Rivera] died and Rivera, always controversial, rejoined the communist party. A year later Rivera remarried his art dealer of nine years and they made a trip to the Soviet Union. In 1956 Rivera removed the slogan “God does not exist” from his painting “Dream of a Sunday afternoon in the Alameda” and declared that he was a Catholic. Diego Rivera died of heart failure a year later in 1957.
Rivera left a brilliant legacy to the Mexican people and inspiration to modern artists.
“Years after his death, one can still see Rivera’s influence in art in the United States. One example is a mural called “Dream of Peace: In Peace and Harmony with Nature”, created by Leo Tanguma at the Denver International Airport.
KathJuliane… : “before my hands went bad from CHEMO…” ~~~ OH, I don’t like the sounds of that ! Chemo ?… Chemo & radiation treatments are VERY BAD FOR YOU ! (I’m sure you know that, but…) ~~~~ Tell me; have you ever been to [ www.cancertutor.com ] ?… please check it out & let me know what you think, o.k. ? ~~~~ Back to the murals : did you see the one with the boy beating the sword with a hammer ? A sword & a hammer are the symbols of communism, & all the children of the world are throwing down their weapons & their flags. ~~~~ And if these images are so innocent, as Tanguma wants us to believe - then why have they painted over the original image of the dead girl (who WAS clearly Christian) ?
@Joshua-try this one. It’s from a slightly different angle, and does show the girl holding a Bible with the Cross on it, and the cross is right under the daisy. Comparing it with the photo from Cutting Edge, although it doesn’t show up here, it is supposed to be a red-colored Bible. It’s not a necklace like I thought.
The mural is called a ‘diptych’ meaning two murals compared side by side and interpreted together. It’s a before/after kind of work. Tanguma does a lot of art teaching and work with children and schools. Taken together, both sides represent a utopian leftist Christian artistic vision of how Tanguma sees the world now with its wars, death and destruction, and what he envisions as a world of peace. He’s quite sympathetic with women and children who are the “collateral damage” in any war. He’s at least in his 60’s, appears to be of modest circumstances, and described as humble and patient with children.
He’s old enough to remember an old anti-Viet Nam war protest slogan that said “War is not good for children and other living things.”
What we are not used to are the strong symbolic imagery and expressions of Death that are found in Mexican Catholic tradition, and was visually carried over into Rivera’s school of mural art. Tanguma was born in America so he would paint things that were meaningful to him. Probably raised a Catholic, he’s religiously conservative but politically Left.
Line it up Biblically and the monsterous Nazi-like beast with the gas mask represents an Antichrist to him that poisons and kills families, women, children and nature by War and Greed. Artists work from vision. As an American artist but decidedly Christian, I do believe he is expressing the loss of Christian virtue in society that has happened over his lifetime.
Christ be with you. I’m putting this one away.
To Admin… : Thank you for inserting the ‘hot-link’ for me ! (I cannot) ~~~~ To KathJuliane… : I’ll be GLAD to let this go, but you still seem to be misunderstanding me… that is the 3rd VERSION of the SAME girl I’ve seen now !… ~~~~ One had ONLY a BIG black bible w/ a Cross, ~~~ one had flowers & a gold star painted OVER the Cross. It had NO BIBLE, ~~~ & one has flowers, a gold star, AND a SMALLER Bible (in a different spot) ~~~~ Thanks for all your help !
I have something pinned down about the mural for you, and its the best smoke and mirrors psy-ops yet. I went back and really studied your first post. It looks like it was another typical Judeo-Masonic disinformation psy-ops professionally seeded in 1996. I do believe that you have seen three different versions of the same picture. Please be patient going through this.
A review of some points. Setting aside all the illuminati stuff, sticking with the idea that Leo Tanguma, just as he seems, is a well educated Mexican-American in his 60’s, good citizen, was raised a traditional Catholic and is now a Christian with Democrat or “leftist leanings” towards the minority Hispanic culture, is pacifist and anti-war, sensitive to the sufferings of the poor, concerned about women, minorities, children and nature. He’s an idealist with utopian dreams of peace in the world. A perfect utopian “useful idiot” for the evil wing.
As an artist he was trained in the school of Riviero’s Mexican Mural Art which is strongly symbolistic and impressionistic, but unlike the revolutionary art of Riviero, Leo is not a revolutionary.
He was hired in 1995, along with several other mural artists for the Denver International Airport, and finished his murals in 1995. These murals are consistent in style with his other mural works. As far as it concerns us, he is simply an artist with no other sinister motives, but fits well in liberal Colorado and liberals always support minorities. His style is just not Judeo-Masonic style at all. That its been hijacked all over the map as Judeo-Masonic is certainly true.
To correct one thing, turning ~swords into plowshares~ the blacksmith would need an anvil and smithing hammer. It is a Biblical phrase. The Marxist Communist symbol is ~the sickle and hammer~, not a ~sword and hammer~.
At the following link, I have found the best and clearest picture of the blonde girl about halfway down the page. Don’t worry about that its been changed, this dates to 1996. It may not even be changed on the original mural, but for whatever reasons possibly photoshopped to suit personal agendas and pet theories.
In the earlier posts its pretty well established from the symbols that the blond girl is an American Christian, not a “European Jew” or “Jewish Christian. The quilt is the big clue with the ‘Star of Bethlehem’ pattern, traceable to Pennsylvania-Ohio that had early German settlement in the pioneer days, who were pious Christian women. As an impressionist, Leo used symbols of “Americana” for the girl. This along with the Bible identifies her as a Christian girl.
The Jew-meme hit the media sphere in April 1996 on a radio talk show.
In this photo the so called “yellow star of David” is visibly an impressionistic doll done by the artist. It’s not unusual to put someone’s favorite things in a coffin, and for a girl that could be a favorite doll. Also, there are a couple of 3-leaf clovers behind the Bible, which may mean she’s Irish Catholic. Her clothing is typical of the 40’s and 50’s, and being raised Catholic, Leo may have once gone to the funeral of a Catholic girl.
The doll is painted to have a three-dimensional image, in other words he painted an impression of a doll body, otherwise the girl has an odd anatomy if “the star” is on her clothing. The doll body is wrapped with a goldish blanket, its wearing a dark lavender dress or shirt. The oval for the ‘head’ is pink, and so are the oval hands. On the doll’s right arm is a black line showing where the sleeve has stopped and the hand starts. The doll body is bundled up, and can be seen through the girl’s fingers, and can just barely be seen below the hand. The girl’s left hand is raised in the position like cradling the doll, even though only the fingers are seen in the picture.
In an inferior photo, the body of the doll is flattened out so more strongly suggests a star. I hope you can see the painted doll form.
This site has captured the “ground zero” for the blogosphere Jew-meme. The title is:
Extract from Leading Edge International Research Journal #92
The KSEO 4/26/96 Interview with Alex Christopher
Author of Pandora’s Box and Pandora’s Box II
Transcript 6/1/96 by Leading Edge Research Group http://www.cco.net/~trufax
Legend: DA (Dave Alan, Host) AC: Alex Christopher C: Caller
And the transcript follows.
This guy Alex Christopher is a ghost, and a disinformationist and a liar. Other than the two books I can’t find a thing on him. He appears to have tried to be the Judeo-Illuminati omni-conpiracy theorist in his two books. Reading the contents it reads like the conspiracy of everything…hyperinflated.
Read this important part of the interview on the radio talk show:
“TAC: Yes. There are evidently three groups of people that they would like to see dead. The first casket has what the artist told me was a Jewish-American child, a little girl, and she has the “star” on her clothes and a little Bible and a locket…
DA: Jewish lineage is passed through the female…
AC: Yes. Well, all these caskets depict women who are dead. Then, in the center casket there is depicted a Native American woman, and the last casket has a black woman in it.”
He’s a sneaky liar and here’s the propaganda Jew-meme for you. He a) never talked to the artist, or b) if he did he’s lying through his teeth. Once you see the doll figure in a good photo, the “star” shape has to do with painted folds. He was working off of a cropped photograph. It went out over the radio air waves on a popular talk-show, and hundreds of thousands of conspiracy theorists and buffs picked it up. The virus went in all directions throughout the conspiracy media sphere the past 12 years, and really picked up with the rise of Judeo-Christianity. There are hundreds of variations on the interpretations of the murals.
The ‘Leading Edge International Research Co. has CIA backed written all over the website, but they publish themselves a media promotion business with a hand in New Age, psycho-physics, conspiracy theories, you name it.
A book recommendation is ~Media Virus~. Decent insight into how media gets infected with people’s agendas. Also if you haven’t, study up on intel, espionage and psyops communications techniques.
The artist himself is not a Christophobe that I can see, and is probably a “useful idiot” for the demoniac Mammonites of Denver which is infested with satanic activity and government and intel agencies, and certainly a hot spot for the NWO.
May Christ bless you all. Pray for Brother Nathanael.
KathJuliane.. : … It’s not the sword, it’s what the sword is being transformed into… ~~~~ “The hammer & sickle was originally a HAMMER CROSSED OVER A PLOUGH with the same meaning. (Unity of peasants & workers.) The hammer & sickle, though in use since 1917/1918, was not the official symbol until 1922, before which the ORIGINAL hammer & plough insignia was used by the Red Army & the Red Guard…” ~~~~ From Wikipedia… add the disposal of weapons & Nation Flags… This IS their plan, no ?
Greetings in the Lord Jesus from No California of the US of Talmudistan, which just won the moral victory by popular vote of reclaiming the 2000 California Marriage Protection Act from the liberal California Supreme Court ruling this year.
Glory to God for all things.
@ Jim de Texas. The “watch” around the girl’s neck in the Denver Airport mural would seem to be a locket. If my speculations are correct so far, that the artist as a Catholic youth attended a funeral of a girl from his parish, then it would be entirely consistent that it might be a locket of a saint. Of all the impressionist, mystical and symbolic work in his murals which make his characters stereotypically “cartoonish”, this particular vignette is so simple and plain in contrast to the rest that it must have been rooted in a real, concrete, and enduring memory. She has her favorite doll (if you checked out the pix I posted), the quilt was probably her favorite, too.
Did you see the true doll form everyone is hysterical about?
I didn’t know the original Bolshevik symbol was a sword and hammer. Thanks.
What? This took hours. No thank you’s, bowing, and throwing yourself at my ankles [LOL-Not!] for finding that Jew-meme, ground zero, and the Judeo-Illuminati disinfo horse’s patoot and his CIA backed covert propaganda organization that started the fear-mongering claim in the media sphere among conspiracy researchers and “apocalyptics” that:
little blonde American Christian girl in the coffin with Bible, Cross, “Star of Bethlehem” = European Jewish Holocaust Victim redux?. Very bad algebra.
Original impressionist art doll form turns into a Star of David and becomes another virus. In poor quality and degraded photos, subtle details get lost unintentionally, but there is also the likelihood that deliberately “enhanced” photos are getting passed about.
Like the 9/11 truth movement, a considerable and deliberate amount of disinformation, snow jobs, propaganda, urban legend, myths, bad reasoning, and bad evidence has accumulated in epidemic proportions, passed off uncritically as verified factoids by the popular bloggers and “researchers”. Some of intel disinfo uses the technique of hyperinflating, sensationalizing and adding the most ridiculous things just so legitimate and sincere historians, Truthers and Judeo-Masonic watchers with solid answers and evidences are discredited and confused.
This Jew-meme virus splashed everywhere as propaganda and was incorporated as “fact” without fact-checking among millions of proponents over the past decade. It made a lot of conspiracy book peddlars “acceptable” by including the Jew-meme. It also arose at the time when “the conspiracy wingnuts” out on the “fringe” were gaining some traction into the mainstream during the Clinton admin when serious questions were being raised about the Branch Davidian massacre and Oklahoma City bombings by those same “conspiracy wingnuts”.
Artists are visionaries and different thinkers. I don’t discount at all Leo’s intuitions and subjective feelings he expressed about Christian life “dying” in America. It’s virtually assured that at his age, as an American he had a very conservative traditional Hispano-Catholic moral upbringing, during the time when Christian morality was the norm. He told the spiritual truth in his way, the real target is the Church and Christianity by his Antichrist monster.
Leo grew up in the post-War era. The ‘Antichrist’ for him took the shape of something Nazi-ish, because even at that time, many religious people believed Hitler was the Antichrist.
Darth Vader is also a Nazi-ish character representing the dark side. Just look at his helmet.
This was fascinating to trace out inside the themes, wheat and chaff of the Illuminati NWO conspiracy world. For close to a year, as shocking as the mural was to myriads of people traveling through that airport everyday (Mexican mural art does leap out at one, although it seems hypocritical to be shocked when every day people sit down and watch Hollywood mayhem on TV), no one assumed that this was anything other than a Christian impressionist stereotype and raised a voice in the liberal Jewish dominated Denver press. From the moment the mural was finished, the Jews would certainly have screamed their heads off in protest, until this particular radio broadcast in April 1996. The Christian apocalyptics and popular exegetes picked up on it right away.
The Tribe’s antennae picked it up real quick and began beating the fear-mongering drums among the Judaizers and Christian Zionists. What is really sickening is how the Jews completely appropriated Leo’s artistic utopian stereotype, impressionistic visions of war and global destruction and made it over to fit their own paradigm of holocaustmania, because only Jews are entitled to use the word “genocide” and no one else. It has morphed all over the place in various forms.
Then someone actually noticed that there were Christian symbols attached to the European Jew-meme. “Oh! Oh! She’s a German Jewish girl that become a Christian to disguise her identity during the holocaust to save her life.!”
“No wait! She’s really a Jewish Christian in Nazi Germany who was sent to the concentration camps because of her race.”
“Wait. Wait a minute! I see it! It means the Nazi NWO wants to slaughter Jews and Christians!” chirps the crickets of the chorus of Judeo-Christians and Christian Zionists. Clueless.
This very kind of thing of dirty little Jewish pitty-paws appropriating something to their own jealousy, selfish causes and holomania blew up into a serious controversy between the Vatican and Jewish Power during the beatification and canonization the Catholic Carmelite nun, Saint Teresa Benedicta of the Cross, who perished at Auschwitz.
Before her conversion in 1921, she was Edith Stein, a brilliant Jewess and philospher. After her conversion, she became a Catholic philosopher and university instructor. She took the monastic veil in 1933 at Cologne, which means she had been a novice in the Carmelite Order for sometime, and so a sincere conversion to Catholicism independent of any of the political activities in Germany. After the institution of Hitler’s racial laws, the nun Theresa was sent to the Netherlands for safety.
The Dutch Bishops’ Conference had a public statement read in all the churches of the country on July 20, 1942 after war broke out, condemning Nazi racism. In a retaliatory response on July 26, 1942, the Reichskomissar of the Netherlands ordered the arrest of all Catholic converts from Judaism, who had previously been spared. Sister Theresa and her sister Rosa, also a convert Catholic, were captured and shipped to the Auschwitz concentration camp where they perished.
Jewish Power raised the cause of “Edith Stein” as a Jewish Holomania racial victim, challenged the beatification of Sister Theresa, and the vultures still debate it to this day. They point out that a martyr is, according to Catholic doctrine, someone who died for his or her religion; whether Stein was killed for her Jewish ethnicity, her faith, or both, is, for them, open to debate. They will forever pick at the carcass of “Edith Stein” with the Vatican, and debasing the heroic sanctity of this fine and noble Catholic Christian convert in the process.
What they blasphemously want is her beatification as a holy Jewess, one of their own.
The position of the Catholic Church in this matter is that Sister Theresa died because of the Dutch hierarchy’s public condemnation of Nazi racism in 1942—in other words, that she died to uphold the moral position of the Church, and is thus a true Christian martyr.
Thank you for flying Air Talmud today.
I meant plow and hammer.
I really despise Freud and his theories, but occasionally he came up with some witty sayings. He said “Sometimes a cigar is more than a cigar. Sometimes a cigar is just a good cigar”. [Not promoting smoking].
Wow, all of this sounds much like Michael Hoffman’s ‘Revelation of the Method’ and would be a good source of tutorials on someone’s web site…. hint, hint.
(No, not here on RJN)
God be praised for that Calfornia victory. Now, don’t let Obamugabe trash it all. Hold his feet to the fire, march on Washington, NEVER LET IT BE FORGOT what an accursed son of Ham did to this nation, as he has said he WILL DO.