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IRAQ: A War For The Jews? Interviews!

Iraq: A War For The Jews? Interviews!

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I HAVE ARRANGED to have two outspoken critics of the Iraq war, Mr. Mark Weber, Director of the Institute for Historical Review (IHR) Here and Dr. Stephen Zunes, Professor of Politics and International Studies at the University of San Francisco Here to participate in a debate over who is to blame for the War in Iraq.

In sorting out the motives and forces behind the war, Mr. Weber stresses Jewish-Zionist interests and the role of pro-Israel Jews, while Dr. Zunes stresses the role played by Oil companies and the Military-Industrial Complex. (Thus Dr Stephen Zunes presents an “alternative view” to that which is normally articulated on this site.)

Brother Nathanael: Who is primarily to blame for the Iraq war?

Mr. Mark Weber: Whatever the secondary reasons for the war, the crucial factor in the decision to attack Iraq was to help Israel. With support from Israel and America’s Jewish-Zionist lobby, and prodded by high-level Jewish neo-conservatives in the Bush administration, President Bush and Vice President Cheney who were already fervently committed to Israel, resolved to invade and subdue one of Israel’s chief regional enemies.

As US Senator Ernst Hollings said in May 2004, the US invaded Iraq to secure Israel and everybody in Washington knows it. On at least two occasions, President Bush himself acknowledged the importance of overthrowing the Saddam Hussein regime in Iraq because it was a threat to Israel.

I’ve laid out this and much more evidence in numerous essays and lectures. See, for example, “Iraq: A War for Israel” Here.

Brother Nathanael: Why, Dr. Zunes, do you say that the Jewish Lobby is not directly responsible for the US invasion of Iraq?

Dr. Stephen Zunes: While the so-called “Jewish Lobby,” the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) undeniably has influenced Congressional votes regarding Israeli-Palestinian concerns and other issues, it has not played a major role in lobbying for support of the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

Some of Israel’s strongest supporters in Congress were among the harshest critics of the invasion.~ There are far more powerful interests with a stake in what happens in the Persian Gulf region than AIPAC.

These include the oil companies, the arms industry, and other special interest groups. Indeed, U.S. interests in the oil-rich states of the Persian Gulf have existed for many decades and even pre-dates the establishment of modern Israel.

BN: What is your response to this Mr. Weber?

Weber: Jewish-Zionist plans for war against Iraq had been in place for years, even before George W. Bush became president.

The 2001 Nine-Eleven attack served as a useful pretext to put those plans into operation. There is abundant evidence to show that during the months prior to the March 2003 invasion, Israel and its supporters in the US prodded and encouraged the Bush administration to go to war.

To be sure, the US business-political Establishment seeks to secure and further its interests by trying to impose a global Pax Americana as Dr. Zunes has pointed out. But there is no direct evidence that US oil companies pushed for war with Iraq.

In fact, the traditional US business-political Establishment opposed the invasion of Iraq. In the months prior to the attack, high-level retired US military figures, and prominent former Washington officials such as Brent Scowcroft and Zbigniew Brzezinski, spoke out against attacking Iraq.

Two prominent American scholars of International affairs, John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, have written:

“Pressure from Israel and the Pro-Israel Lobby was not the only factor behind the decision to attack Iraq in March 2003, but it was critical.

Some Americans believe that this was a war for oil, but there is hardly any direct evidence to support this claim. Instead, the war was motivated in good part by a desire to make Israel more secure.

Within the United States, the main driving force behind the Iraq war was a small band of neoconservatives, many with close ties to Israel’s Likud Party. In addition, key leaders of the Lobby’s major organizations lent their voices to the campaign for war.”

BN: Why, Dr. Zunes, do you maintain that the Jewish Lobby and neocons played only a secondary role in US policy in the Middle East?

Zunes: There are strategic planning documents and reports from right-wing think tanks with close ties to the White House, that prove that the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq was part of an effort to create a Pax Americana in the Middle East.

Iraq is the only Arab country that combines significant oil reserves, a sizable population, and an adequate water supply to maintain an independent foreign and domestic policy.

This, in effect, is what makes Iraq a threat to perceived American interests and why Saddam Hussein’s desire to create a deterrent capability through the development of weapons of mass destruction was seen as intolerable.

Should the United States, (as is still hoped for by the Bush administration, but now appears to be highly unlikely), end up controlling Iraq, permanent military bases would then be established.

Iraq, as an American vassal state would control the 2nd largest oil reserves in the world and the US would have enormous leverage over Iraq’s immediate neighbors – Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Turkey, among others. Israel would be a junior partner in this endeavor.

Regarding the neo-conservatives, the notorious Feith/Wurmser “Clean Break” paper was a call for Israel to break from the US-led peace process and the perceived restraints on Israeli actions by the U.S. government, then under the leadership of the more moderate Clinton administration, not a call for the United States to take risky initiatives at the behest of Israel.

Similarly, the paper demonstrates how, rather than being a case of the Israelis getting the neo-conservatives to pressure the United States to change its policies to a more hard-line position, it was American neo-conservatives pressuring Israel to change its policies to a more hard-line position.~ See my article: “The U.S. Invasion of Iraq: Not the Fault of Israel and Its Supporters” Here

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BN: Let’s move on to another topic: Do you two foresee a possible anti-Jewish backlash arising from a drawn out and ever more costly US role in Iraq?

Weber: Americans have already paid a high price for the US alliance with Israel. But in the years ahead we will doubtless pay an ever higher price in squandered dollars, lost international prestige, and wasted American lives.

In the short run, I don’t foresee any significant rise in anti-Jewish sentiment, even if the Iraq situation gets worse. But that could change quickly if, for example, the US were to become involved in a regional war against Iran on behalf of Israel.

Such a war would have terrible consequences, and would likely generate widespread anti-Jewish rage, especially if the US economy falters.

Zunes: As I have pointed out many times, US foreign policy wishes to establish a Pax Americana, that is, hegemony throughout the Middle East, using Iraq as a vassal state.

But like other powers that have tried to control the Middle East, such efforts at hegemony will inevitably spawn their own resistance. With the United States itself on the other side of the globe, Israel may become an easier target by those resisting this hegemonic American effort in the heart of the Middle East.

In other words, as a flip side of the current situation, where U.S. support for Israel has led to increased anti-Americanism in the Arab-Islamic world, Israeli support for an American invasion and occupation of Iraq will inevitably exacerbate anti-Israeli and anti-Jewish sentiments.

The disastrous consequences of the invasion would be a great opportunity for concerned Americans to demonstrate that this tragedy was a result of the undue influence of the oil companies, military contractors, right-wing ideologues, and excessive corporate influence over our government’s policy initiatives.

This could spur demands for badly-needed radical reforms in the political and economic system. Those who would rely on the time-honored tactic of “blaming the Jews” would divert attention from the real issues and would indeed be a dangerous distraction

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  1. Mark Glenn April 9, 2008 @ 3:43 pm

    excellent interview and a great idea Br N. It is painful to watch individuals such as Zunes try to rationalize away what everyone else around the world already knows, that it is Jewish interests responsible for this disaster in the Mddle East yesterday, today, and whatever happens tomorrow.

    What darkness these people live in, unwilling to raise themselves to the higher consciousness taught by Jesus, instead they choose to pull the entire world down to theirs


  2. Concrete man April 9, 2008 @ 4:14 pm

    Zunes is a Zionist Attack Dog, like Alex Jones or Alan Watt, or any number of paid or de facto stooges of the Zionist Power Configuration (he knows where his bread is buttered, in this time of food shortages). My friend Jeff Blankfort who debunked Noam Chomsky as a Zionist Gatekeeper in his article, Damage Control, has long followed the adventures of Zunes and once debated him. Here is his comments about a fairly recent Zunes article:

    In this article, Prof. Stephen Zunes, a self-declared Zionist (“I will be a Zionist as long as there is anti-semitism”), who has publicly said on more than one occasion that he “supports Israel as Jewish state” and that the establishment of Israel “was an example of global affirmative action” indulges in the most vicious attack yet on the Israel Lobby paper by Mearsheimer and Walt. He also has written that the US has been using Israel as the feudal lords used Jews as middlemen and that Israel is therefore the victim of anti-semitism on the part of the US government .That anyone uttering and writing such poppycock could be taken seriously, let alone considered an authority on the Middle East and on the Israel-Palestine should make us shake our heads, but his book Tinderbox which includes this formulation has been praised by the likes of Noam Chomsky, Rabbi Michael Lerner, As’ad AbuKhalil, Naseer Aruri, Richard Falk, Joel Beinin, Howard Zinn, and Saul Landau. Whether or not any of them actually read the book before endorsing it is questionable but it illustrates the intellectual poverty from which “the Left,” such as it is, not to mention the domestic Palestinian movement, has approached this issue.

  3. Tom April 9, 2008 @ 8:25 pm

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    I want Phil Donahue’s appearance in my video to have been productive so I am really trying to get this video maximum exposure.

  4. Don April 9, 2008 @ 9:01 pm

    The Prophet Before The Storm – Part I An Interview With Ex-Jew Brother Nathanael And A Profile In Anti- Jewish Revolutionary Christian Courage With An After-Word Conclusion By Michael James in Germany 4-9-8 Just simply wonderful, fantastic, fabulous. Brother Nathanel you make me very proud to be a Christian. In your message one can feel the power of Jesus Christ. The war between good and evil has only begun, and I know in the end good will prevail.

  5. Harrie April 9, 2008 @ 9:07 pm

    The Iraq war was clearly instigated by the jews. Now we see history repeating itself. A huge US military force is building up in the sea near Iran. Israel is putting lots of pressure on the US to attack. At the same time they are telling fantasy stories about Iran’s nuclear weapons (sounds familiar, we also heard this in the run up to the Iraq war). Hillary and Obama went to the AIPAC and told them that “all options are on the table for Iran”, which means also the nuclear option. At the same time the Israeli jews are advising the 20.000 jews of Teheran to leave the city, which they do not want to. Its clear that most likely there will be another more terrible war soon and its again pretty clear who’s pushing for it: the jews.

  6. Lynda April 9, 2008 @ 9:50 pm

    Dr. Stephen Zunes is just a member of the world’s oldest profession plying his trade. I will say that Jeff and his visits to George Dubya at the Whitehouse (in his professional capacity, of course) has a lot more itegrity in the business than Dr. Zunes.

    The Netanyahu Doctrine has been outed already.

    Bibi originally laid down the oil slick for the truth seekers, when the American Neocons lost their plausible deniability on 9/11. But its no good. Netanyahu, himself, was the first to take the spill and he has taken with him the other oil slickers like Greenspan, that meshuggah Podhoretz and all the others who are using oil to camoflouge the Israeli interest and executive direction of WW III.

    Even the New York Times signals our Money Masters: “we need another 9/11” in order to widen the Mid-East War. Well, who it might be asked is We? The Semitic peoples of the Mid-East? The Americans?

    What Netanyahu was saying in 2007 was this:
    Israel “must immediately launch an intense international public relations front first and foremost to the U.S. – the goal being to encourage President Bush to live up to specific pledges he would not allow Iran to arm itself with nuclear weapons. We must make clear to the [U.S.] government, the Congress and the American public that a nuclear Iran is a threat to the U.S. and the entire world, not only Israel.”

    “Israel’s war” says Bibi must be sold as America’s war.

    Jan 9, 2007 Patrick J. Buchanan. “Who is Planning Our Next War?

    But then, when evidence for the 9/11 boxcutter attacks (masterminded by the guy in the cave) began to point irrefutably to an inside job; when even the high school students were wondering if they found Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction when George Dubya had his colonoscopy – then the war became about the oil interest. Then George Dubya was handed his bad guy script, by the true Masterminds of 9/11. His script doctors have written in more dialogue like: “we’re gonna round em up and smoke em out” ; he has to flash the El Diablo more regularly (Barbara too). Hell, he’ll probably have to grow fangs and say: “the sheiks have us over a barrel.” Or he would if he could read his cue cards.

    Whatever his minders tell him to do, he must at all costs protect Israel, the Zionists and the Jewish Internationale from the bad PR of ‘America’s war’ and the increasing awareness that 9/11 was a NeoCon job. So now, America’s war is about oil. Not WMDs, not ‘regime change’, not truth, justice and the American way in the Middle East. Now its about oil. Anything except what it is really about: Greater Israel.

    Israel has never defined its borders because as Ben Gurion has said: “the borders are whereever the Sahal shall go.”

    Iran is a compliant signatory to nuclear non-proliferation treaty. Israel has yet to comply with any international regulations whatsoever. But now Iran is supposed to be ‘the great foe.’ And the U.S. has a strategic interest in the Mid-East oil fields, so strategic that according to the NY Times “we need another 9/11” in order to justify further commitment to WW III more truly, madly and deeply.

    Our Lady of Guadalupe, Mystical Rose
    Patroness of the Americas and Protectress of the Unborn: Pray for America.

  7. james April 10, 2008 @ 6:13 am

    I was about to comment on the article before I saw Dons comment. He didnt provide a link to the article so here it is

    Mark Glenns favoured view of Islam and encouraging us to support it to fight jewish domination is a big mistake as both religions are twin brothers from seperate mothers. Apart from Palestine Jews have supported muslims over christians in every region of the world the most recent example being Kosovo. Kosovo is nothing more than a modern day Islamic version of Israel created by ethnic cleansing and terrorism.
    Serbs should unite under the christian cross and fight for there land as the Russians did when it was under Muslim domination and Boers did against the Rothschild British empire. Even Constantine secured more land under the Roman empire when his army adopt the christian cross on its battle legions.

  8. Ian Wilson April 10, 2008 @ 12:07 pm

    Brother Nathaniel: You are a brave and righteous man. God bless you. Not only should we live in the light, but we should allow light into the world. Indeed, we are not in the light unless we are allowing it for others. Indeed, as well, when you are in the light, you cannot see darkness, and when you are in darkness you cannot see light. That is the horrid “advantage” these people have in the world. Right now the world is like the Matrix. We are being lead by the blind and ruled by the evil. This is the evil that the Bible is talking about.:It is real. Proof enough that good is real too, however.

    Jesus – I forget where it is in the NT (King James) – says a man will either “love the one and hate the other” or “will cling to the one and despise the other.” Which context do you suppose represents God and Jesus? The first of course. Thus *hate* is an emotion that is, in the least, an emotion that is recognized by Jesus as a normal one for one walking toward goodness.

    But why are we put on out heels by talk of *hate* by Zionist super-haters? At first, because decent people have a compass directed to fairness; and, second because of the bewilderment of confusion it causes (esp. in the face of the hypocrisy; but our lives are almost too short for us to gain wisdom), lastly, it becomes a codeword for retribution by the Cabal: even Jesus was afraid to walk among them. Hate is our natural emotion in response to the evil these wicked people propagate. Regarding God’s judgment and favoritism: it spans realms we cannot with ease readily ascertain. God has power we do not know – but he also has understanding and glory and judgment that we do not know either. God has indeed kept his promises to the Jews. I think they do have advantages by his blessings. (Abraham: rewarded for faith (passive) counted as righteousness: ergo righteousness (active) even greater than faith). Although, among the promises was not to keep them from becoming evil; the admonishment was to refrain from evil. God’s promises are inviolable. It is the Jews who have broken faith.

    American traditional society is valuable spiritually because it is a Christian one. Take that away, however imperfect, and you take away the good ground thereon. That aspect aside, traditional American society sans a focus on Christianity (although they really are inseparable) was much better than the oppressiveness we have today.

  9. TrumpetHim April 10, 2008 @ 12:29 pm

    It would be great if we would realize that the “oil “conspiracy is no more than an arm of the problem. It’s true that oil is an issue here, but oil is used by the big money to “control” the money flow in the world. And who is “big money”? Zionist Jews, that’s who. Like the Rothschilds etc., that Br. Nathanael has put his life in jeopardy exposing. It’s incredible to see how the lower parts of this monster are allowed to be exposed to protect the head. But in reality, they are all the same monster. This monster is being exposed, limb by limb, and soon our Lord is going to remove it’s existence from the face of the earth!

  10. Loren April 10, 2008 @ 1:05 pm

    9-11 was not only an “inside job” for a number of long and well planned outcomes concerning those things within the “natural” realm (eg, oil, drugs, money), but at the highest levels of world power, influence, and control, 9-11 was a satanic ritualistic sacrifice of 3000 souls unto the great beast of darkness (not Satan, but one of his top warriors), which was released from captivity on U.S. soil on that fateful day – empowered by the soul-energy of 3000 souls – to go forth and wage war against Humanity and to consume countless more souls unto endless torment unto that great and dreadful day yet ahead that will unleash global World War III, in which untold millions will be consumed simultaneously in an orgy of satanic soul-sacrifice.

    The war against Iraq was and is for any number of long and well planned outcomes concerning those things within the “natural” realm, but at the highest levels the outcome was/is the recovery of the remaining lost technologies from the Tower of Babel.

    Read the account in Genesis (11:1-9). Read it carefully. There you will find a very important but mostly forgotten chapter in Human history – and a not very well understood chapter, either, which is unto our own peril in this day. It was a time of the one-world rulership of the one-world government of the anti-christ “Nimrod” (Gen 10:8-10), in which the society and technologies of that day were harnessed by Lucifer/Satan and his legions to re-wage their ancient war against the Godhead begun eons ago (long before the creation of Adam and Eve).

    The technologies of the Tower of Babel had become so advanced, that anything within the imaginations of those who wielded such technologies would now be possible to accomplish.

    And we well know that Mankind’s imaginations, whether advanced or primitive, are infinite (because of being created in God’s exact “image and likeness”) and yet unbridled/untamed (because of having fallen into sin – the nature of Lucifer/Satan).

    This is no account of a primitive society – but of a “super” civilization, which had acquired the ultimate capabilities to unleash ANYTHING within their imaginations – including allowing Lucifer/Satan to re-open the portals, gateways, and stargates, to free those under his command long ago exiled and imprisoned by God, to transport his armies (of serpents, scorpions, beasts, dark overlords, demons, and Nephilim) through the time and space of the “fallen” dimensions into and through the unfallen, and to burst through and into the very Holy of Holies itself! to dethrone God and the Godhead! and to seize ALL of Creation unto himself!

    “And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels” (Rev 12:7)

    “Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech. So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.” (Gen 11:7-8)

    But God came down from “Heaven”, destroyed the Tower (technologies) and the city (society), transformed their one-language (and one-government) into multiple languages (and multiple governments), and scattered the people across the earth (unto multiple languages, societies, and governments, all who would then contend against one other), so that …

    it would take thousands of years for Mankind to regroup itself, to unify itself, to join “as one” with Lucifer and his legions, to once again re-wage this ancient war against the Godhead and all of Creation.

    We are NOW at that point in time and history!

    We are witnesses to the resurrection of the Tower of Babel and its ultimate technologies, and the soon re-emergence of the anti-christ Nimrod, whose soul will be summoned forth from its prison of eternal darkness, to inhabit the body and co-exist alongside the soul of the one who will come as the “Christ”, but will later be revealed as the “anti-Christ”.

    One world language via computer translations and communications. One world economy. One world government. One world religion. The dawning of the Age of Aquarius. The New World Order. Breakthroughs in sciences, technologies, medicines, bio-engineering, warfare …

    “and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.” (Gen 11:6)

    “And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” (Rev 18:4)

    “And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.” (Rev 12:11)

    No matter your religion or no religion, faith or no faith, belief or no belief – DO NOT integrate yourself, nor become “at one”, with this re-emerging Tower of Babel society and its technologies – or you will pay the ultimate price … unto eternal damnation of your soul in the Lake of Fire!

    For the battle of all battles will soon be fought in the not-too-distant future. All cards will be thrown onto the table in this highest-stakes war for the destiny of the souls of Mankind. There will be nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, from that which each person must decide.

    “Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.” (Joel 3:14)

    “choose you this day whom ye will serve” (Joshua 24:15a).

    Make Jesus Christ your Savior and Lord this day, this moment. Ask Him in, to become “one with” Him, and Him only – as was meant to be your destiny from before the foundations of the world!

    “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” (John 1:12-13)

    “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” (2 Peter 3:9 )

    So be as Joshua, when he boldly proclaimed unto all those who stood before him, “but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD” (Joshua 24:15b)!

  11. Ed April 10, 2008 @ 1:23 pm

    Zunes’ thinking is distorted by the fact that he himself is a Jewish Zionists — hardly an objective academic. For example, he says “the notorious Feith/Wurmser “Clean Break” paper was a call for Israel to break from the US-led peace process and the perceived restraints on Israeli actions by the U.S. government…”. What he doesn’t say is that it also called for the removal of Saddam Hussein from power at Israel’s behest, and that later, when Jewish Zionists Feith and Wurmser went to work for the Bush administration, they were instrumental in cooking the books to “prove” that Saddam had WMD and was tied to 9/11 — both of which claims have been exposed as lies.
    Sure, Cheney (and perhaps Bush) knew Feith and Wurmser were cooking the books and probably brought them in to do so, but that doesn’t mean they weren’t independently motivated by their Jewish Zionism, as were the thousands of Jewish Zionists in media and government who also helped pave the way for the invasion due out of fealty to Israel.
    It’s not an either/or situation: Some of the liars were motivated by greed and a Pax Americana Empire, others were motivated by their Jewish Zionism, others were motivated by their Christian Zionism. But at least a theoretical argument can be made that Pax Americana is in the American interest; no such argument can be made that Israel is in the American interest, which is absurd on its face (“foreign country X is an American interest” — contradiction in terms). This is why Zunes and other Jewish-American Zionists and Christian Zionists fiercely deny Zionism was a motive for the Iraq war: it shows them up as the traitors they are. So they try to hide behind all Jews with such absurd statements as “Those who would rely on the time-honored tactic of “blaming the Jews” would divert attention from the real issues and would indeed be a dangerous distraction.”
    Zunes is a cowardly Zionist trying to hide behind all American Jews, at least a percentage of whom, unlike himself, are not more loyal to America than Israel. There is no creature on earth more craven than a diaspora Jewish-American Zionist. They should all be flogged from the American temple to their primary loyalty: Israel.

  12. admin April 10, 2008 @ 2:10 pm

    Dear Ed,

    Dr Stephen Zunes, whom I know well, is NOT of Jewish extraction.

    Dr Stephen Zunes is of *Greek* extraction. He was raised as a Greek Orthodox Christian.

    *I* always nail dowm my assertions with PROOF dear Ed before publishing.

    +Brother Nathanael

  13. Ed April 10, 2008 @ 3:10 pm

    Brother Nathanael,

    If you know Zunes well, and given the subject matter of your site, I assume the issue has come up and Zunes told you he was not Jewish. I was incorrect to assume he was based on his appearance (longish black beard) and his relentless minimization of Jewish Zionism’s decisive role in lying America into the Iraq war. I don’t know his religious beleifs, but he is most definitely of a leftist political orientation, and he has criticized the Christian Right’s oversize role in Mideast policy, so I am going to assume he is a leftist supporter of Jews who respects and admires their intellect and their decisive role in leftist triumphs such as Communism as well as their historical subversion of Christianity. In short, he appears to be a left-wing philo-Semite, who wants to scapegoat Christians and capitalism for the Iraq war, which was primarily a “Christian” Zionist and Jewish Zionist enterprise in conjunction with statist Empire/money worshippers as personified by Dick Cheney and the military industrial complex. I suspect he knows all of this to be true, but for left-wing political purposes and perhaps out of hatred of Christianity, he minimizes Jewish Zionism’s role, which makes him intellectually dishonest. He has written some things I agree with, and is very bright, but I still have contempt for leftists for their track record of murdering millions of Christians (Soviet Union) and collaborating with Judeofascists there and elsewhere. Judas “Christian” Zionists are now also guilty of collaboration with Judeofascists as well. At least Zunes has that in common with components of the Christian Right.

  14. jon April 10, 2008 @ 4:11 pm

    So is it foolish and sinful of me to try and learn another language? Was thinking about learning Spanish or Russian.

    Also, where does George Soros fit into all of this?

  15. jon April 10, 2008 @ 5:53 pm

    One more request …

    Brother Nathanael, could you do an entry on Feminism? Is Feminism a Jewish creation? It saddens me to see that even men & women are at war with each other these days and much of the blame is placed on Feminism.

    Taken Into Custody by Baskerville is a great exposure of the evil that’s being done to Families & Fathers by the illegal Family Court system which is heavily influenced by Feminists.

    Thank You.

  16. admin April 10, 2008 @ 6:00 pm

    Hi Jon,

    Why should I reinvent the wheel?

    Go to Henry Makow’s site @ “Save The Males” At:

    He’s got it all nailed down! +bn

  17. Shree Anantharamiah April 10, 2008 @ 6:59 pm


    This was an excellent discussion and debate on the hidden forces pushing for conflict in the already volatile Middle East. More discussions are necessary in public forums, and more importantly, in the halls of our legislative body, which debates on everything except the need for more balanced U.S. Middle East policies. As former Congressman Paul Findley (R-IL) eloquently exposed in his highly acclaimed book, the Israeli Lobby often stifles and suppresses any meaningful discussion on U.S. policies in the Middle East region which is not favorable to the interests of Israel, an entity which is given near free reign to occupy and to oppress its neighbors with the approval and aquiescence of the United States. Such biased policies have resulted in a growing anti-American sentiment in much of the world. A unilateral attack on Iran would probably shatter any remaining credibility that the United States has in this important commercial region and would only further radicalize the masses of the Middle East. Osama Bin Laden could not be any happier!

  18. Harrie April 10, 2008 @ 9:02 pm

    I read Loren’s comments. My answer to her is that all the disaster which is coming over us does not need to happen. We can defeat the darkness by accepting Jesus into our lives as she said and prayer. Prayer can be an enormously powerfull weapon. Target your prayers at the politicians and people who are organzing the wars. I am sure if enough of us do this, we can change the course of history, because we can diminish or block their satanic power by prayer.

  19. Lynda April 11, 2008 @ 10:06 pm

    You are right Harrie,

    History (military history) not pious history has documented astonishing victories for Christian forces against all odds in conflicts with superior forces that logicstically, strategically and tactically should have succeeded. The most notable of these:

    Muret 1213. Simon de Montfort leads a Crusade of 870 souls against the Albigensian Gnostic Judaists of Southern France who warred against the French monarchy. Against the French Crusade on behalf of the French Catholics of the Languedoc, the Albigensian forces were reinforced by the forces of King Peter of Aragon making a combined cavalry of 4000 and 30 – 40,000 infantry.

    Lepanto 1213. The Saracen Crescent of the Muslim nations (for over 10 centuries) stretched around Africa to Spain, through the Holy Land to Greece. The goal of the Islamic invasion (on two fronts) was the conquest of the Christian East and West. Although Pope Pius V remained in Rome for the Battle of Lepanto, he took spiritual command of the Catholic naval force.

    Vienna 1683. An Islamic invasion of 200,000 lays siege to Vienna, Austria but a small force of Polish and Lorraine cavalry break the siege.

    May 13, 1955. Catholic Austria (defeated twice in WW III: once by the Germans and again by the allies) repels the Soviet invasion and occupation of that nation.

    What all of these conflicts have in common are two things. ( 1 )Except for the last example, they are Christian miliatry victories against all military odds. ( 2 )St Dominic (at Muret) and later the bishops and clergy of the Catholic Church called for the prayer of the Holy Rosary against secesssionists and their insurrection, against invaders and occupiers of Catholic nations.

    Numbers, logistics and strategy are not decisive. Only the natural mind thinks this way.

    The masonic Revolution unleashed 1789 (culminating in the Bolshevist and Maoist Revolutions of the 20th century) called for the destruction of the Church – indeed ‘the very existence of the Christian idea’ – according to the Protocols of Zion, the overthrow of every Catholic state and the papacy as well as the Russian monarchy. It called for ‘the killing out of the Goyim’ in three world wars (according to Albert Pike of the Supreme Council of the 33rd Degree) in order to establish the New World Order (ordo ab chao).

    This Revolution is culminating now in the convergence of Communism and cartelized Capitalism which are one and the same. And the regional governments are coming together in the formation of the ‘blocks’or Soviets: EU, NAU, Australasia and Greater Israel as the echelong nation.

    Those who think there is some kind of political or counter-revolutionary solution to ordo ab chao are dreamers.

    Those who would save their nation must turn to Christ the King. Must take the vows of baptism:

    “I turn to Christ. I renounce Satan and all his works and pomps. I renounce the empty display and false values of the world. I renounce the sinful desires of the flesh”. They must seek baptism of the Church – now in eclipse and persecution.

    Pope Leo XIII knew the prophecy of our Lady of Salette. He was given to clearly foresee the Revolutionary triumphs of Zionism and Communism. In his pontifical prayer commanded for every low Mass, He formally called upon the Archangel St. Michael in his Exorcism Against Satan and the rebellious angels. His standing orders were followed up until Vatican II.

    Naturally, the anti-papacy in Rome does not want this prayer recited.

    “O glorious Prince of the host of heaven, Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in the battle and in the fearful warfare that we are waging against the principalities and powers, against the rulers of this world of darkness, against the evil spirits. Come thou to the assistance of men, whom Almighty God created immortal, making them in His own and likeness and redeeming them at great price from the tyranny of Satan. Fight this day the battle of the Lord…grant us victory.

    V. Behold the Cross of the Lord; be scattered the hostile powers.
    R. The Lion of the tribe of Juda, the root of David has conquered
    V. Let they mercies be upon us O Lord.
    R. As we have hoped in Thee.
    V. The Lord be with you.
    R. And with thy spirit.

    Pope Leo XIII. #407 Prayer to St. Micahel. The Raccolta, 1930. Benziger Brothers. 314-15. Please see the full account posted by apostolate for the Church in Eclipse on

    At Fatima 1917, the Woman Clothed with the Sun, revealed herself to the holy innocents and through them to the Church which has pronounced the event of Oct 13, 1917: “worthy of credence.” She held up the Holy Rosary, with its long and victorious tradition, “By this means..” she proclaimed the great Triumph for our own times: the Triumph of her Heart to the glory of Christ the King “who must reign until all enemies are under his feet”. [1 Cor 15:25] One month later Lenin stormed the Winter Palace and the Revolution unleashed 1789 entered its global phase.

    The NWO is going to fall – as nothing has fallen since Lucifer. But Victory will not go to those who hope for a merely liberal, political solution on the basis of some movement or coalition of movements. At any rate, Liberalism is now a thing of the past – it was only a mere transitional phase of the Revolution anyway.

    “It is a public crime for the state to permit men to act as though there were no God.”

    And. “From this it is manifest that the eternal law of God is the sole standard and rule of human liberty, not only in each individual man, but also in the community and civil society which men constitute when united.” Pope Leo XIII on Human Liberty. June 20, 1888.

    Victory will go to Christ and the Church which has proclaimed the Holy Rosary for the defeat of Satan and the rebellious angels, their principalities and powers seated in wickedness, their works and pomps.

  20. Thomas April 12, 2008 @ 7:46 pm


    You have the wrong date for the Battle of Lepanto.

  21. Lynda April 12, 2008 @ 10:27 pm

    Thanks Thomas,

    You are right, the Battle of Lepanto (which is Nafpaktos, Greece) was Oct 7, 1571.

    This is an evidence based website, so the correspondents too have to strive for accurracy.

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  23. John J.Doyle Sr. November 30, 2009 @ 11:39 am

    No doubt crypto zionists in America wanted to invade Iraq, to make Israel more secure!

    Also, the oil reserves, Iraq having the 2nd largest, possibly the largest oil supply was a bonus! It appears permanent military bases are a big factor too. Iran played a dirty game in Iraq as well, training, arming, funding mostly Shi`a Muslims to asassinate Iraqi military leaders, particularly Air Force officers/pilots of the Iraq/Iran war!

    Also, nothing in this article discussed the slaughter of tens of thousands of Iraqi Assyrian, Armenian, Chaldean Christians, by Shi`a, Sunni Arab extremists, and land grabbing separatists/zionist Kurds!

    Under the Ba`athist government of nationalist leader, martyr, President Saddam Hussien, Christians were very well treated! There has been a endless effort to slander, subvert the truth regarding Iraqs murdered leader! Every so-called treaty in the world regarding conducting war was broken by Americans/British governments!

    At any rate,keep up the great work!! May Yahweh bless you all!!!

  24. Kenneth T. Tellis August 24, 2010 @ 4:01 pm

    Did not the Jews kill Y’Shua? Of course there seems to be an outright denial of the Jews ever having crucified Christ.

    Their arguments is that the Romans did it.

    But, was it not the High Priests and the Great Sanhedrin that controlled the Jews to make a deal with the of the Romans to have Christ killed?

    If so, then they too are just as guilty by association?

  25. Fs November 20, 2010 @ 7:38 am

    Here is a list of Americans died for Israel, FED and Goldman Sachs during Iraq war.

    Much more died in Vietnam and Afghanistan.

    No Jews died in America’s wars abroad.

    This is called invisible henocyde of Americans. Much more killed inocent Iraqis and Afghan children for nothing. Killed by Jews using hands of Americans.

    Jews say that they suffered holocaust, but noone says that number of Russians died during WW2 more than 20 millions. No one says that WW2 was started by zionsts.

    If you are American, do not go to any war. You will die for a Jew and he takes all you property when you die.

    Do not be stupid cattle. Enemy is inside. Its name is Zionism.

  26. Irene Bonney May 15, 2014 @ 5:26 pm

    One comment states people all around the world know Jews are responsible for the Middle East problems.

    In Australia, Asia, such is not the case. They have never heard that truth.

    Rather, were most to be told, they would say, “I don’t believe that.”

    Some would comment that it is the U.S.and oil companies. No, it is ignorance that prevails.

  27. John December 25, 2014 @ 4:22 pm


    They created another Israel in Middle East (Zionist Kurdistan)

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