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PALIN’S PASTOR SPEAKS ABOUT ISRAEL
By Brother Nathanael Kapner, Copyright 2008-2011

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TODAY I SPOKE WITH Sarah Palin’s pastor.

His name is Reverend Larry Kroon & he is the Senior Pastor of Wasilla Bible Church in Wasilla Alaska where Sarah Palin resides. Pastor Larry Kroon confirmed that Sarah Palin was an “attendee” of Wasilla Bible Church.

I called Pastor Larry Kroon around 3 PM Mountain Time on today’s date, September 2 2008. I introduced myself to him as a “freelance reporter” for Jewish daily news. During our talk I told him that I was a former Jew and was now with the Russian Orthodox Church.

Pastor Larry Kroon described Wasilla Bible Church as “a Church that teaches that the Bible is the Word of God and calls upon its members to conduct their lives in accordance with it.” Pastor Kroon added that he was the pastor of a “non denominational” Church & that “between 800 to 1000 people attend Wasilla Bible Church on any given Sunday.

Here’s how our conversation went:

Brother Nathanael Kapner: “Do you support the current State of Israel?”

Pastor Larry Kroon: “I believe that God has a special plan for the Jews. However, I cannot say whether or not the current State of Israel is part of that plan.”

Brother Nathanael: “So you don’t view the current State of Israel has being a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy?”

Pastor Larry Kroon: “There are specific prophecies in the Old Testament that predict the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. But whether or not the current State of Israel is a fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies I cannot affirm.”

Brother Nathanael: “What do you mean when you say that God has a special plan for the Jews?”

Pastor Larry Kroon: “The Bible teaches that ‘all peoples, tongues, and nations, shall be worshippers of the Lord Jesus Christ.’ Jews are included in this purview.”

Brother Nathanael: “Do you mean then that God doesn’t have some unique plan for the Jews?”

Pastor Larry Kroon: “The fact that Jews have been preserved over the centuries shows that God has a plan for them. That plan, as I understand Scriptures, is that they also are included in all peoples, tongues, and nations, who will embrace Jesus Christ.”

Brother Nathanael: “Many evangelicals say that the “144,000 of all the tribes of Israel” as mentioned in the book of Revelations, refers to the Jews who will be “saved” at the end of time. Do you teach this?”

Pastor Larry Kroon: “The book of Revelations has much imagery that is symbolic and could be understood figuratively. I have no definite answer as to whether the “144,000″ refers to Jews specifically.

“But let me say this. What is more easily understood are the predictions that Jesus Christ is the Messiah and that those Old Testament predictions are clarified for us in the New Testament.”

Brother Nathanael: “How do you feel about the violent attacks on Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip by the Israelis?”

Pastor Larry Kroon: “We must look at all of these kinds of incidents as they occur not only in Israel but in other parts of the world. We must look upon these incidents on a case by case basis.”

Brother Nathanael: “I noticed on your “Sermons” section of Wasilla Bible Church’s Web Site, that on August 17 2008, the Director of Jews For Jesus, David Brickner, spoke at your Church giving a sermon entitled, “The Jerusalem Dilemna.” I know that Jews for Jesus is an Evangelical organization which is very Pro Israel. Do you agree with their stand that the current State of Israel is legitimate in terms of what the Bible teaches?”

Pastor Larry Kroon: “As I already mentioned, we have our own views on Biblical prophecy as it pertains to the current State of Israel. This may differ from the views which Jews for Jesus has.”

Brother Nathanael: “Before I called you I spoke with the secretary of Jeneau Christian Center located in Alaska’s capital. She told me that there was a Christians United For Israel Conference in 2007 at the Church. She said that Governor Palin gave a speech that was very “Pro Israel.” Does then Sarah Palin take a “Pro Israel” stand?”

Pastor Larry Kroon: “I have never heard Governor Palin make a statement on the subject. As for me, I am a ‘local pastor.’ I emphasize to the flock that the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ are to be lived out in our day to day lives. And all people, including the Jews, are called to live their lives according to Christ’s teachings.”

BOTTOM LINE: It seemed to me that Pastor Larry Kroon does not teach “unconditional” support for the current State of Israel. I particularly noted that Pastor Larry Kroon was extremely hesitant to express support for the current Zionist State.

I Take Encouragement That The One Who Sits
Under Pastor Larry Kroon’s Teachings, Namely, Sarah Palin, Will Also “Hesitate”
To Support The Current Zionist State Of Israel.

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And: “Christians NOT Jews Are God’s Chosen People!” Click Here

And: “State Of Israel: Not Biblical Prophecy!” Click Here


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69 Comments

  1. Orthodox Russian September 3, 2008 @ 1:09 am

    Another excellent article Brother Nathanael.

    Keep up Good Work!

    Here is what wikipedia has to say about Pastor Larry Kroon
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Kroon

  2. Diogenes September 3, 2008 @ 1:15 am

    why didn’t you tell him what Orthodox Jews and the Talmud REALLY think about Christianity and Jesus Christ? That would have been an eye opener, I’m disappointed that you didn’t bring this VERY important issue up, it probably would have SCARED the pastor and just, MAYBE, spurred more resistance to the Jewish problem and MAYBE, though HIGHLY DOUBTFUL maybe reach Palin?

  3. Dr. Albert D Pastore September 3, 2008 @ 6:19 am

    Brother Natahniel,

    I hate to burst your bubble my friend, but Sarah Palin has already sold out to the Zionists…..Have a look at this…

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archi…2/1327325.aspx

  4. Dr. Albert D Pastore September 3, 2008 @ 6:22 am

    More evidence of Palin Zionist leanings…

    Notice small Israeli flag in her office..

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/palinflagofisrael.jpg

  5. Dr. Albert D Pastore September 3, 2008 @ 6:23 am

    first link was broken…ooops..

    here it is:

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/02/1327325.aspx

  6. Richard French September 3, 2008 @ 7:12 am

    Sarah: First, our #1 daughter teaches in North Pole and she is a fan of yours.Sarah we often hear church people call themselves Judeo “Christians”.Judaism hates Christ so please tell me how can they call them selves Christians if they be Judeo “Christian” Israeli Lobby AIPAC owns most of politicians (traitors) Please Sarah dont be one of them,Please be for America first PLEASE listen to Honorable Ron Paul.I much admire you and your lovely family and wish you the best. “BEWARE THE ZIONIST AND THEIR EVIL AGENDA’
    RICHARD FRENCH DAYTON,MONTANA

  7. Jim DeTexas September 3, 2008 @ 7:13 am

    @ Bro Nathanael,

    You saw how fast Obama rolled over on his church, Lets see how Sarah does.

  8. Kevin September 3, 2008 @ 7:42 am

    Well, maybe Pastor Kroon doesn’t openly and vehemently support the illegal state of Israel, but you can sure bet that Palin will do whatever the zionists tell her to do.

    As we’ve seen from the last 2 elections, whomever the zionists want in power as their puppet, they will put in regardless of what the people want. McCain is definitely a zionist puppet, erego, Palin will be too.

    Until jews are no longer allowed to hold US government offices due to their favortism of and allegiance to the illegal state of Israel over their own country, this will continue. We can all expect more wars, blood and death to pave the way for some ghost from the sky to come down and rescue the ‘believers’ and ‘chosen peoples’. Sickening.

  9. Kevin September 3, 2008 @ 7:45 am

    And so it begins…

    Palin at AIPAC: That Didn’t Take Long
    September 2, 2008 in News by Jim Lobe

    MSNBC and the Jewish Telegraphic Agency (JTA) are reporting that Gov. Palin met this afternoon with the board of directors of the America Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and Sen. Joe Lieberman to, in the words of one McCain campaign official cited by MSNBC, put “the American Jewish community at ease over her understanding of US-Middle East relations.”

    http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/09/02/palin-at-aipac-that-didnt-take-long/

  10. admin September 3, 2008 @ 8:02 am

    AIPAC GETS PALIN CORNERED IN A ROOM:

    Then the AIPAC Jews will spin it any way they want it to read.

    I STILL have not heard *a single word* out of the mouth of Sarah Palin.

    Let’s wait to hear from Palin before jumping to conclusions. She already said that the Iraq War was all about oil.

    Next up will be rogue ‘Zionist state of Israhell.’ We have to wait to hear from Sarah Palin herself & not Jewish tales… +bn

  11. Aron September 3, 2008 @ 8:28 am

    Here is a quote from S. Palin and how she sees the Iraq war as God’s plan. I got the quote from a story in this website:

    http://mudflats.wordpress.com/

    “I did a drive-by of Palin’s church when I was traveling through Wasilla yesterday, not realizing the furor that would be churning the blogosphere less than 24-hours later about a speech Palin delivered there only three months ago. Here’s what she said regarding the war in Iraq.

    ‘Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God.’

    Let that sink in a minute. A task that is from God. Sarah’s war is a holy war. It’s not, apparently from the God that says “turn the other cheek” or “I am my brother’s keeper” or “the greatest of all these is love”. It’s not about diplomacy, international relations, figuring out why we are so despised in the Middle East, keeping Israel secure, revamping how the U.S. deals with its unsustainable dependence on foreign oil, combating poverty and desperation that leads young men to terrorism. Nope. This war is God’s will. It’s God’s holy war. She went on:

    ‘That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God’s plan.’

    So the plan is to pray for a plan? Perhaps it would have been better to pray for a plan beFORE we went to Iraq. Better still to sit down and create a plan - a thoughtful, intelligent, human-type plan.”

  12. Jim DeTexas September 3, 2008 @ 8:37 am

    Republicans Say Palin’s Israeli Flag Says It All

    The Republican Jewish Coalition has pointed out that an Israeli flag is a fixture on the drapes in her office. “I think it speaks volumes that she keeps an Israeli flag on the wall of her office,” the group’s executive director, Matt Brooks, explained in an e-mail to Politico.com. “It clearly shows what’s in her heart.”

    Story….Here

  13. James September 3, 2008 @ 9:00 am

    Compliments to you for interviewing the spiritual leader of Sarah Palin’s home church in Wasilla. I applaud you for seeking facts about the beliefs of that church regarding the State of Israel rather than fabricating your own opinions of the matter. Christians should pray for the safety of governor Palin and her family. No one knows the future, but remembering the past “fallen American patriots” in the political wars should put her on guard for her very own life.

  14. james1 September 3, 2008 @ 9:13 am

    Brother Nathanael Kapner I posted this onthe previous article but didn’t get a reply.

    Being an attendee of ROCOR did they hold a memorial to the Beslan school massacres.

    Also I thought you were Greek Orthodox not Russian.

    You were right not to mention the Talmud as he would think you have a prejudice against Jews and its not crucial to your main line of questioning which is what his churches take on Israel.

  15. admin September 3, 2008 @ 9:48 am

    WARNING: Be Careful Of Lies & Spins On Palin & Her Church.

    No one can prove that there was SIGN outside of Wasilla Bible Church. It is another lie to discredit Sarah Palin.

    *NO one can prove* that Palin gave a Speech at Wailla Bible Church. The pastor, Larry Kroon, intimated that Palin is a quiet “attendee” of his Church.

    As for “trinkets” in her office, dont be fooled by Zionist spinning pictures and AIPAC spins. Palin is her own gal. +BN

  16. America, the Beautiful September 3, 2008 @ 10:23 am

    So far, I like Sarah Palin. And, given his responses to Brother Nathanael’s questions, I like her pastor, too.

    He seems to give practical, yet spiritual answers regarding a Christian’s view of the Jews and the modern state of Israel.

    He is correct. We do not know yet.

    It is the will of God that “all nations and peoples of every tongue” which includes the Jews, be saved and worship Our Lord Jesus Christ.

    But as for how exactly that will translate regarding the current State of Israel — well, as the pastor indicated, the jury is still out.

    So far, it seems that Sarah Palin has a pretty good grip on reality — atleast, thank God, she is not a lawyer.

    That alone should ’shake things up’ in Washington.

    Praise God.

  17. Joe September 3, 2008 @ 10:34 am

    It will be difficult for any public figure to speak unfavorably about Zionist dominated Israel. This in itself speaks volumes about the character of Zionism. Just a little research reveals that Zionism is an evil, corrupt, secular, terroristic, political group of thugs hell bent on world dominance, with no regard for the well-being of human beings, including real Jews and especially Palestinians. –jws

  18. 5PillarScribe September 3, 2008 @ 10:49 am

    In response to ‘Sarah Palin is a Christian, and Christians support Israel’

    We need governors, vice-presidents and presidents who want to stand up for the U.S., not other countries. Making blanket statements like this is not American, nor is it very Christian-like. I don’t believe that the Christians support war crimes committed by Israelis. Nor would I expect them to approve those committed by non-Israelis.

    What is Governor Lingle’s position on the Palestinian Christians? Or are they a different kind of Christian? The Palestinian, Arab, Persian, Afghani Christians are not ardent supporters of Israel’s impunity. I don’t think the Pope and his billion followers think that Jerusalem should be taken away from Christians and Muslims.

    To make a blanket statement like that is not something I would expect from the President of any nation, including the U.S. Therefore, why would a governor say so. She could not walk into half the churches in the U.S. and say the same thing without being laughed at.

    Fundamentally, Christians are actually more closer to the Muslims than they are to the Jews. As are the Jews more fundamentally closer to the Muslims than the Christians in their keeping with the law. While Musilms believe in the immaculate conception of Mary, and take Jesus as a prophet with the miracles bestowed upon him as the Bible describes (in it’s original form); Jews think that believing in Jesus is hogwash, even as a prophet. So how does the governor make a comment for Christians when that same comment contradicts what Jesus himself taught?

    All US military service members are supposed to “…defend the Constitution against any enemy, foreign or domestic…” If Americans themselves don’t get a free ride on breaking the law, why does Israel get this free ride? This was a very tasteless approach.

    This does nothing to help Palin’s bid in becoming a representative of a secular democracy. But those in the mix are counting on her bowing on her knees to AIPAC, and that is a political primary-(pun intended). If AIPAC were CAIR, it would have been shut down and those in power would have been imprisoned after just a skosh of evidence, and furthermore indictments about espionage surfaced. Americans, including politicians, have to stop pushing for the nationalism of other nations and protect the constitution of its own. 5pillar.wordpress.com

  19. Jim DeTexas September 3, 2008 @ 11:13 am

    Wasilla Bible Church

    http://wasillabible.org/

  20. Paul September 3, 2008 @ 11:22 am

    As a former Jew myself I contact Jews for Jesus and asked about why JFJ does not expose the hate filled talmud in the same way that former mormons now christians expose the bizzara unbiblical teachings of Joseph Smith.

    The response was basically that those unkind things towards Christ, Mary, Christians, Jews converts to Christ, and Gentiles in general was understandable and in reaction to anti-semitism.

    this is very disappointing.

    I think more secular and partially committed Jews would consider Christ if they saw that betraying Judaism was something worth betraying in light of its unbiblical hatred of others taught in that man made religion and perhaps would consider the love of the Jewish Messiah Yeshua.

    Perhaps God does have a plan for the State of Israel though. He permits Israel to exist so he must have a plan for it to some how accomplish his purposes. this of coruse does not mean we are to unconditionally support all actions or policies of that State.

  21. Nabil September 3, 2008 @ 11:26 am

    have the rothschilds given up on their ownership over the fed? have holywood got riden of the zionists that are controlling it? have the zionists decided to let the US media and congress live their own life ? no. then sarah palin already eats in their hands.

  22. Greg September 3, 2008 @ 11:51 am

    Paul, God does have a plan for Israel, as stated in Genesis. God says rather clearly that the covenant God made with Israel is a people willing to live in obedience to the commandments of God from all races and ethnicities. So this idea of the Jews having their own state goes against God’s plan and will. God wants the earth to be shared by all with nobody suffering because their basic human needs are not being met. So the two state solution isn’t part of God’s will either, just as a Jewish only state of Israel isn’t God’s will. God wants all people who obey Him to be able to share in the blessings equally, which is what is stated in the scripture.

  23. james1 September 3, 2008 @ 11:58 am

    Ted Pike suggests in his video Other Israel that Israel is part of an anti-Christian prophecy in the bible and that eventually Israel will see the folly of her ways.

    What’s the largest Christian denomination in Israel? Whatever that is that might be the one to follow.

  24. JIm September 3, 2008 @ 12:07 pm

    He doesn’t seem to know Scripture well for a pastor.The 144,000 is a symbolic passage referring to the 12 tribes of the OT Israelites/Christians and the 12 Apostles of the NT Israelites/Christians multiplied by 1,000 for completion equalling 144,000.In sum it refers to all Christinas throughout history.The only reason Jews{Rev.2:9] are centered around prophecy is because the llluminati has an Armnageddon Script.That’s why Rothschild founded the Israeli nation-state and changed the name.Next time ask him if he is a dispensationalist-millenialist.Scofield corrupted most of Protestantism,and few know we are already in the so-called tribulation.Not some future 7 year nonsense.

  25. james September 3, 2008 @ 12:12 pm

    I watched a LaRouche video about Al Gore and the Global warming hoax and how it’s a cover for zero population, zero technological growth to reduce the world’s population to under 2 billion people.

    It said his daddy a US senator help protect Arman Hammer for financial reward and I know his daughter is married to Jacob Schiff’s grandson the man who financed the Bolshevik revolution.

    http://www.larouchepac.com/static/2008/08/12/al-gore-half-man-half-possum-total-idiot.html

  26. admin September 3, 2008 @ 12:30 pm

    Dear Jim - Your lack of Patristic understanding of Holy Scriptures is obvious.

    The 144,000 (only 11 tribes are listed showing the “symbolic nature of the figure), refers to the FULLNESS OF THE CHURCH, which is the “Israel of God.” This is the Patristic view. The holy Church Fathers of the Orthodox Christian Church are God’s designated teachers.

    As regards the term “tribulation,” Jesus Christ used this in Matthew 24 to describe the Roman onslaught of Jerusalem which took place in 70AD. +BN

  27. james September 3, 2008 @ 12:47 pm

    Palin’s a Judias Goat I think maybe.

    Also OSCE revelations on the Georgia-Russia conflict.

    http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2008/09/03/jeff-steinberg-and-john-hoefles-weekly-political-overview.html

  28. sean September 3, 2008 @ 2:43 pm

    Dear Brother

    I’m confused on Israel. Is not Israel to the Jewish people what Mecca is to Islam?

    Should not Jews have a right to Jerusalem, as far as Worshi and to buy homes there?

    I’m familiar with zionism, as a political movement started by the satanic Jews Rothschilds and bribes,wars, but can’t God use these people to accomplish his will?

    I dont support either Arab or Palestians murdering Jews, nor do I support Jews killing children etc in a land fight.

    If you have answered this question, if you could refer me to where it is I

  29. sean September 3, 2008 @ 2:45 pm

    Dear Brother

    I’m confused on Israel. Is not Israel to the Jewish people what Mecca is to Islam?

    Should not Jews have a right to Jerusalem, as far as Worshi and to buy homes there?

    I’m familiar with zionism, as a political movement started by the satanic Jews Rothschilds and bribes,wars, but can’t God use these people to accomplish his will?

    I dont support either Arab or Palestians murdering Jews, nor do I support Jews killing children etc in a land fight.

    If you have answered this question, if you could refer me to where it is on your website, i appreciate it.

    Even the Zionist Jews in general I find to be nice people. I cannot say that of arabs i have met who are muslims.

    i mean there are saved jews in Israel. should they not be able to live in peace there?

    thanks.

  30. pizza September 3, 2008 @ 3:05 pm

    leave palin alone . she IS a christian, has a good track record fighting AND defeating CORRUPTION in her own party in ALASKA…as well as in the opposing party…who cares what she says about Israel…she can say anything she likes, its what she does that is important.’be as meek as doves but as cunning as a serpent’ amidst the camp of the enemy…christs words to his followers..any christian should be aware of at least the gospel…

  31. Concrete man September 3, 2008 @ 3:15 pm

    Palin, whatever her virtues (she does have some), she does apparently have her flaws (being a politician telling huge lies comes to mind), and even if she is not a full blown Christian Zionist yet, mark my words she’ll be sporting a yarmulke and kissing the wailing wall before November if she wants to be deemed electable by the Zionist Power Configuration (Owners and Controllers of Media, Politics, and every other important area of power and culture in the US).

  32. Luke September 3, 2008 @ 3:40 pm

    Read the 11th chapter of Romans. You have natural branches being broken off and wild branches being grafted in,and these branches are warned about being high minded. God has blinded Israel in part until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. Is God behind all of this?Of course he is.The promises God made to Abraham is to his seed,singular ,which is Jesus Christ.Through Jesus Christ all the nations will be blessed with Jesus Christ sitting on the throne with King David in the city of peace. I will directly quote one scripture out of Romans 11, “For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.” All is Jew and Gentile. And God does this great work to the praise of his glory. Not the praise of Israel’s glory or the praise of Christan’s glory,or the praise of Gentiles glory. And when people begin to understand in part or in full what the phrase to praise of his glory means then they will have realized that God has brought them to the place where they might humbly partake in the glory of God.

  33. Paul September 3, 2008 @ 5:13 pm

    Brother can you recommend a book in English that explains the Eastern Orthodox Christian view of the end times and interpretation of the book of revelation.

    Thank you

  34. Jim DeTexas September 3, 2008 @ 5:55 pm

    Sure hope Sarah considers this before she allows any action from them to be done in her name…

    little brother mournes 9 year old Aya Al Astal shot dead by Israeli forces

    http://flickr.com/photos/rafah/92052392/

  35. admin September 3, 2008 @ 7:34 pm

    Dear Paul - For a good Patristic (Eastern & Western Orthodoxy prior to the Great Schism between East & West in 1054 AD), you will want to get the book, “Ancient Christian Commentary of Scriputres” on the book of Revelations. It is published by Navigotor/Nav Press.

    Much of the book of Revelations is to be understood of “that which is soon to take place,” as St John the Theologian wrote.

    As I mentioned before, the evangelical Protestants used the phrase, “tribulation of those days,” to construe some Late Great Planet Earth “tribulation” before the so called “rapture.” This is foreign to the Patristic “mind” of the Holy Orthodox Church.

    However, because time is elastic in apocalyptic language, there is a future purview as well. It’s a great commentary by Orthodox Church Fathers.

    Because this is an Orthodox Christian site, and is “patristic oriented” in its understanding of the Bible, Protestant so called “teachings” will be limited here on the Comments Section. Commentors take notice… +BN

  36. Piere La Douce September 3, 2008 @ 8:39 pm

    Brother Nathanael, you’re far too intelligent and informed to be optimistic about Sarah Palin. I do not trust you but I do read your blog for inquiry.

    Sarah Palin is, of course, a Zionist who’s willing to justify these wars, justify the suspension of due process, and to justify the immense spending and the consequent inflation.

    I’m just after hearing her speech, in which she says the world is dangerous and the U.S. is threatened, while Obama is more worried about reading terrorists their rights. Her comment received huge applause. It demonstrates her hardcore Zionist line - for war and for violating the U.S. Constitution.

    I sincerely hope you rescind your optimistic view of this woman.

    Regards

  37. admin September 3, 2008 @ 9:17 pm

    Dear Piere -

    First of all, this site gets sometimes 100 spams a day on the Comment section. Besides this, many evangelical Protestants post their deluded and erroneous views of Holy Scriptures. White Supremacists post their anti black garbage.

    Thus moderation became a must. I have helpers who assist the moderation and sometimes it is necessary to ban offenders.

    On Palin. When did I come out advocating her? I am just trying to take a balanced view and not believe the Democrats’ lies about her.

    I just read her speech about “Victory In Iran!” “Terrorist States with Nuclear Arms!” “Al Quaida plans more attacks on US!”

    I am very disappointed with this same ol stuff. Time for a change? Yes. But Who? Where? Whence? How? (We all know why).
    +BN

  38. AsWas September 3, 2008 @ 10:01 pm

    @ Aron

    I think that you (and several other commenters on the Web that I have recently come across) are almost certainly misinterpreting the sentiments concerning the Iraq war that have been attributed to Sarah Palin. Consider your first example of what she is supposed to have said on the subject.

    ‘Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God.’

    According to you this is evidence that “Sarah’s war is a holy war”, i.e., that she believes that it is a war that God wanted and supports, whereas what I read is that she is saying that people should pray that this be the case. In other words she is actually not certain about this and prays for guidance and correction if it be not true. Thus:

    ‘That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God’s plan.’

    The “plan” that she is referring to here is, of course, nothing to do with Bush’s, Cheney’s, and Rumsfeld’s plan for attacking Iraq (so your final argument is of the strawman variety), but rather with God’s divine plan for the whole world, and she is saying that “we” have to make sure through prayer that the Iraq war is part of, and not contrary to, that plan.

    My conclusion would be, therefore, that Gov. Palin hopes that the Iraq war is not contrary to God’s will, but that she entertains sincere doubts in the matter.

  39. Christopher September 3, 2008 @ 10:42 pm

    Why is everyone looking to politicians for salvation on an “Orthodox site”? God will reward the good and punish the bad. Everything is written in God’s Book of Life and happens for reasons we cannot understand. Seek God, read your Bible and do good works if you want salvation.

  40. AsWas September 3, 2008 @ 10:49 pm

    Oh, and that Israeli flag in her office. Does anyone really suppose that she actually went out and bought one? She doesn’t seem to have been to Israel yet, so it can’t be a souvenir either. Isn’t it rather more likely, therefore, that she was given it by one of the “frozen chosen” on a recon and early softening up visit to her office and that she had to diplomatically dispose of it somewhere out of the way but still just about on display?

  41. TheTruth September 3, 2008 @ 11:06 pm

    “Piere La Douce”, so I assume you are for the rights of terrorists? Do you wish to protest and argue for the rights of terrorists, while at the same time you sit around and do nothing to stand against them? If you enjoy peace, and freedom, and you have even an ounce of common sense, you know that she made a clear and concise point based upon logic. The U.S. Constitution does NOT cover terrorists, especially the 90% of them who are not United States Citizens.

    Bottom line, do not even speak on the U.S. Constitution when you obviously lack even the most basic knowledge of it. As for war, yeah, you can keep sitting around actually believing the myth that ceasing to fight will cease all attacks against the West. Just be glad that those in charge do not share your illegitimate mindset.

  42. AsWas September 3, 2008 @ 11:20 pm

    There is no reason to suppose that Sarah Palin is any less ignorant or deluded about world affairs than is the average American (however good she was administratively as a local mayor, or is as a governor of a state). My sole reasons for having some optimism about her are that first, she seems to be genuinely anti-corruption (I am aware that she is herself under investigation, but, and while I do not condone even petty corruption, she does seem to have some mitigating factors on her side in this case), and second, because, unlike hard-as-nails Hillary Clinton, she seems to be a real woman, whom I hope would linger very long and hard before pushing that big red button (or getting into the position where that was even a possibility) and destroying her, and our, children’s future. But perhaps I am wrong, or perhaps pressure and indoctrination from the Neocons has already, or will, turn her into yet another warmongering Zionist stooge.

  43. LZ September 3, 2008 @ 11:25 pm

    Of course Sarah Palin is Pro-Zionist. Whether it is out of ignorance or not, she is Pro-Zionist period. All one has to do is read the lukewarm answers her pastor gave or look at her behavior towards Israel already.

    Besides… Do you really think the NWO Illuminati would tolerate a true Christian in the Oval Office? Of course not! They only tolerate Ba’al and Moloch worshipers, or those who will sell their souls for Zionist Shekels.

  44. Jim DeTexas September 4, 2008 @ 6:07 am

    The Beauty Queen Packs A Gun

    Story….
    http://www.rense.com/general83/packs.htm

  45. Jason September 4, 2008 @ 11:47 am

    Does anyone still believe in a free election process? It is not so. 36 of the last 43 us presidents are related. Odds of this happening in a free election society are 14 billion to 1. Who will be elected? whoever has the most royal blood. Do the research. Besides the presidents are low level people. Even the higher illuminati are lower level. Right wing and left wing are attached to the same bird. and the flight plan is the same. The real controllers are demonic entitys. Did you see the satelite images of our military in iraq. (sumeria) Including generals performing the serpent ritual. This is spoken of in prophecy worldwide. as a means to unleash binded fallen angels to wreak havoc and destruction in the days to come. and to get the world to turn on the last free country left(usa).Russia,china and un military are currently doing exercises to ready for this. Then the global luciferic dictatorship will begin. We may deserve it we have become a subverted society to a satanic government That controls the world. start praying !! repent !! Follow the laws of god !! or there will be hell to pay !!! as far as palin goes she is part of the program. And has no power at ALL to change anything. Besides mccain,obama, and hillery are satanists anyway. Its time to face the truth. No matter how ugly it might be !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  46. Jason September 4, 2008 @ 12:07 pm

    Bottom line !!! as all great spiritual leaders of the past have stated. Politics is for the unenlightened,spiritualy dislexic and inately narrow minded. politics are for the soulless creatures who wish to be corrupted by absolute power and vanity. anyone choosing to serve in civic matters must have there intelligence questioned !!! Look at all of the great scientists,philosiphers and true leaders who have turned down office positions. albert einstein said I am not afraid of those who do evil. I am afraid of those who look the other way and do nothing. All it takes for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing. Without courage. all other attributes are useless. Fear is slavery !! Have you seen the new NSA satelite technology? they can project hollowgraphic images of Jesus onto the sky to fake a second coming of christ. I wish I was kidding.They did this in cuba with a virgin mary image and everyone dropped to there knees in submissiveness. And those N.S.A agents were laughing their asses off !!! These are the kind of people who rule us.

  47. james September 4, 2008 @ 12:33 pm

    Shes pro zionist like any other lacky.

    http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/29948

  48. Mister Jimmy September 4, 2008 @ 2:11 pm

    She’s got a son deploying to fight and if necessary die for Israel, hasn’t she?

  49. Amerikagulag September 4, 2008 @ 4:21 pm

    […I Take Encouragement That The One Who Sits Under Pastor Larry Kroon’s Teachings, Namely, Sarah Palin, Will Also “Hesitate”
    To Support The Current Zionist State Of Israel….]

    I wouldn’t get too enthusiastic about Palin backing off the current Isreal-first policy of the US. It must be remembered that Sarah will follow the dictates of her keepers. She is not, after all, free to make her own decisions once in the office of VP. She will do what her ‘keepers’ instruct.
    She’s already gone to AIPAC on bended knee just as the other 3 had done immediately following the primaries. Rather than than the American people, they chose rather to thank those who put them in the positions of power - namely AIPAC. Surely you don’t think the Executive is independent of AIPAC, do you?

    I believe with my eyes now.

  50. molecule September 4, 2008 @ 6:40 pm

    Why is this so hard a subject to talk about?

    On a recent talk show, an elderly Southern gentleman phoned in, and raised his concerns about how we have been brainwashed with PysOps “trigger words.” He paused and the host asked him to continue.

    Well, trigger words show how we have been programmed to respond to certain code words, sometimes violently. At lower levels of programmed response, we have such things as, for example, ‘…9-11,’ or ‘…mushroom cloud.’

    He paused. An example of the next level of poetic corruption and psyops imprinting is the word ‘conspiracy.’

    He paused. The host asked him, so what? He said the last example, and highest level of psyops imprinting happens on the word, ‘…jew.’

    The host just about jumped out of her skin. “We’re not going there…” she said, with shades of fear and violence in the tone of her voice.

    By my own violent reaction, I realized that I too had been poetically imprinted with some kind of background fear, that is immediately triggered merely upon mere mention of this word.

  51. LC September 4, 2008 @ 6:48 pm

    Dear Brother Nathanael,

    What exactly was your point really in talking to a small Church Pastor whose entire responsibility is to shepherd people in Alaska and not deal with the Middle East.
    When Gov. Palin goes to Church it is for this and not looking for policy.

    Far too many people are tossing around terms like “zionist” when the problem is converts hiding in Jewish traditions fomenting a strange mix of secularism with false messiah.
    This is an immensely complicated subject and it is indeed unfair to judge any Alaska Church or a woman even running for Vice President on something this intricate.

    For the record, God was the first zionist. He put all 13 tribes in the Promised Land. King David the royal forbearer of Jesus was a zionist with God even giving a greater Israelite state before God divorced the northern kingdom and southern kingdom.
    God under Cyrus the Great returned the Judeans who were to rebuild the Temple and be a people and a nation so a prophecy in Jesus being born would be fulfilled.
    That Temple was destroyed as the first was destroyed when the First Covenant was negated and in Jesus death and resurrection the Temple now lives within all His children.

    Prophecy states that the Judeans were to form a state born in day. This occurred and has been overtaken by the apostate and convert.
    It is vital though they are there in God’s will even if they do not serve Him as the Temple of Ezekiel must be rebuilt for Christ’s return as that Temple will be made an abomination when the anti christ sacrifices to the devil as Antiochos Epiphanes did in the Temple in a Babylonian system which Nimrod instituted and Jews brought back in their Talmud and other Kabballah mysticism.

    Jesus will rededicate the 3rd Temple after His return.

    All of that and more takes a Holy Spirit degree in understanding and no person can be expected to know the intimate details nor be King Solomon in giving answer in how to deal with what is going in Philistia, Judah, Bashan and the West Bank.

    As King David purchased the Temple Mount from the Jebusite and has never been sold it belongs to the entire 13 tribes perpetually, but the Judeans who are of the tribe of Judah have custodial rights to it but the Levites govern that land for God.

    In that unless one is an expert, it is unfair to ask anyone of this and to try and infer if someone is speaking to a Jewish group in support of the Israeli state in the context.
    No decent person is going to accept harming Philistine children, Ashkenaz children, Judean children, neo Syrian children or Arab children, women or men.

    What needs to be asked Brother is if this was Mexicans for example who think Denver is their land and were armed by Europeans and Russians, lobbing missiles at your community there and your neighbors and the Denver guard was shooting back.
    Just who is the terrorist then when it is your house and people being attacked when it is the other side who had claim to that land before.
    Rhetorical.

    Putting Gov. Palin into this position is like asking her if Russia has rights to Alyaska yet as numbers of Russians claim.

    There are no easy issues and I would ask you and others to consider if someone from the Obama camp was to call up your robe maker Brother and ask them to comment on slave labor which might have sewn it or what their policy was on African cotton production in enslaved peoples there.
    Would your clothier be a fair assessment of conversations you had on world human traffic or would you consider it an invasion of your privacy.

    I know you do not believe that the British, Western European peoples and America are northern kingdom exiles, but it does explain a great deal why these peoples are so blindly tied to the state of Judah mislabeled Israel.
    What needs to be remembered is Jesus was a Jew as all the Apostles were. Most of the tribe of Judah has become Christian along with Levi as I can attest.
    The Bible does state that even at the end war, Jews are mentioned in the fight.

    I would ask that people leave the questions of politics to politics. Race and religion out of this in private matters.

    God bless and thank you

  52. Jim DeTexas September 4, 2008 @ 7:31 pm

    Thee Inheritors…

    I do not know how to make these people understand that just because you vote for Barack Obama makes no difference to these Bolsheviks, Maoists and Islamocommunists. They will not let you off the 9 11 planes, because you have a Muslim name or bashed George Bush on a television show.
    They have one purpose in murdering as many people as possible with as worse clean up as possible so people die for the next 50 years like at Chernobyl.

    Story…..
    http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2008/09/thee-inheritors.html

  53. admin September 4, 2008 @ 7:36 pm

    Dear LC - You sound like an evangelical Protestant who likes the book, The Late Great Planet Earth.

    The tribal identities of the ancient Hebrews was lost when Assyria under Tiglath-Pileser III took the Israelites captive in 740 BC.

    The Assyrian king, Tiglath-Pileser, brought to Samaria in Israel a mixed multitude of Assyrian ethnics. So dont call God a “Zionist” because it all ended in 740 BC and of course Christ put a COMPLETE end to it. Besides, the term
    Zionist has geopolitical dimensions for world wide takeover by the Jews which CHRIST is AGAINST. (Me too).

    The so called “Third Temple” cannot be proven from Scriptures. The Anti Christ will build his own temple in Jerusalem but it may NOT be modeled after the ancient 1st and 2nd Temples. The State of Israel does NOT have to exist for the Anti Christ to build his own temple. (Thessalonians 2)

    When Christ returns He will call all to His dread Judgement Seat and after those who rejected Him throw THEMSELVES into Hell, then Christ will establish the new heavens and the new earth according to the prophet Isaiah, Chapter 66. Christ WILL NOT have anything to do with ANY temple. How stupid for you to even say this.

    I have read the Bible from cover to cover over 100 times, beginning as a child raised in Judaism, and then as a Christian when I embraced Christ in 1971.

    I study the Holy Church Fathers, who know the Holy Scriptures better then your fav teacher, Hal Lindsey, of Late Great Planet Earth, which is full of evangelical misinformation and wall to wall errors. +Brother Nahanael Kapner

  54. AsWas September 4, 2008 @ 8:53 pm

    LC asks US to “leave the questions of politics to politics” and those of race and religion to private matters. That is some chutzpah. I will personally consider doing what he asks after American politicians are no longer expected to receive the Jews’ blessing before they are allowed to run for any office; after they are no longer required to go to Israel to pay homage and obeisance to the Jewish Myth; after AIPAC is dissolved; and after Jews start behaving like ordinary citizens with no expectation of entitlement to more than their fair share of political power.

  55. AsWas September 4, 2008 @ 9:55 pm

    BTW Brother Nathanael, in case you yourself haven’t guessed this fact, I have just realized that LC is the blogger Lame Cherry (one of Rense.com’s frequent links). The rather strange writing style gave it away to me first, and then I immediately saw what LC was short for.

    It is a very curious coincidence that LC’s post was immediately preceeded by Jim De Texas’s posting of a link to Lame Cherry’s most recent blog. Is there some relationship there?

  56. admin September 4, 2008 @ 10:02 pm

    Dear AsWas - Perhaps then I was too harsh with LC. +bn

  57. LZ September 4, 2008 @ 10:10 pm

    LC,

    you need deprogramming. I suggest you visit Google Video and watch Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove, Order of Death, and Ted Pike’s - Zionism and Christianity: Unholy Alliance, and Why The Mideast Bleeds.

    Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove and Order of Death delve deeply into the Bohemian Grove where leaders of this country have been attending for over the last one hundred years and worshiping the Canaanite deity Moloch and making sacrifices of children in effigy to that demon. All of this has been caught on hidden video in the documentary Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove. But don’t believe me, watch it, and see it with your own eyes.

    Ted Pike, on the other hand, delves deeply into the history of Judaism (using their own historical texts) to uncover (its’ still) Pharisaic contamination of God’s law and how it (in concert with Freemasonry) has worked to contaminate Christianity as well.

    Finally, reflect on the first and second Great Commandments. Then try and square those with the actions of the Zionist and Freemason elite. You will find that you can not, in any way, shape or form.

  58. AsWas September 4, 2008 @ 10:57 pm

    Sorry, I got the order wrong. LC’s post came before Jim De Texas’s, and I guess that LC (Lame Cherry) could have traced Jim back to this site from his/hers using referrer logging.

  59. profnasty September 5, 2008 @ 2:02 am

    I hate to be a pessimist but I believe american elections are rigged by political party bosses. If Palin had not explicitly pledged unconditional support for the Israeli State she would not have been nominated. Israel is the third rail.//Thankyou Brother Kapner for your faith in Jesus Christ and your courage in speaking Truth to power.

  60. AsWas September 5, 2008 @ 2:04 am

    @ BN

    I have just read Lame Cherry’s latest blog, and since Jim De Texas has recommended it on your site, I think that perhaps you should read it too. It seems to be suggesting that Putin and Russia are the villains behind current and impending events. As you know, BN, I don’t believe that Putin is a saint ( :-) ), but my impression is not that he is a warmonger either, and I don’t see what he would have to gain from the Machiavellian geopolitical schemes that Lame Cherry is ascribing to him.

    In case he/she (?) returns to this page could I make these general criticisms of Lame Cherry’s blog? First, his/her writing style is very difficult to understand. I don’t know if this is because English is not his/her first language or if it is due to dyslexia (which I suffer from myself, so this is more of an observation than a criticism), but when you are writing about subjects of such vital importance it can be quite dangerous to leave the reader beffudled about what you are really trying to say. Second, he/she gives few references to the sources of the wisdom that he/she claims to be enlightening the reader with (for all we know it could be straight out of his/her imagination). And finally, he/she allows no comments on the blog, so not only is it not possible for the reader to ask for clarification, neither is it possible to challenge or question his/her claims and assertions. The net result of this on this reader is that Lame Cherry’s pretentions to be an authoritative commentator with sensational inside (but unsourced) knowledge on current events is highly suspect.

  61. Fr. John September 7, 2008 @ 6:21 am

    ON a good commentary that has Orthodox insights, for protestants in America. The late David Chilton wrote a commentary called ‘The Days of Vengeance” at the same time he was seeking chrismation in the Orthodox Church. His growing dissatisfaction with the Dispensational hermeneutic (the Hal Lindsey school- i.e., Dallas Theological Seminary) and his reading of the fathers were behind this commentary. While not ‘Orthodox’ it certainly was a key to leading me toward an Orthodox phronema (mindset). One can also be informed on this issue by procuring a copy of “Antichrist” by Archpriest Boris Molchanoff, published by St. John of Kronstadt Press, ISBN 0-912927-24-0.

    “May God arise, and may his enemies be scattered.”
    “…THY kingdom come, THY will be done ON EARTH as it is (Current, now) in Heaven.” - note, not some pie in the sky by and by amillenial slant…

  62. Jim DeTexas September 7, 2008 @ 8:32 pm

    2 AsWas
    September 4, 2008 @ 9:55 pm
    BTW Brother Nathanael, in case you yourself haven’t guessed this fact, I have just realized that LC is the blogger Lame Cherry (one of Rense.com’s frequent links). The rather strange writing style gave it away to me first, and then I immediately saw what LC was short for.

    It is a very curious coincidence that LC’s post was immediately preceeded by Jim De Texas’s posting of a link to Lame Cherry’s most recent blog. Is there some relationship there?

    No relationship at all, I should have made clear that my posting was a qoute from the artical sorry. I had just read it and thought I’d share. Lets pray this war is avoided.

  63. Libbey Vardamen September 9, 2008 @ 10:14 am

    Palin believes protection of Israel is a `biblical imperative’

    http://in.news.yahoo.com/139/20080904/888/twl-palin-believes-protection-of-israel.html

    Perhaps Palin needs to dust off her Bible and read it again like many Christians.

    I suggest every Christian take a minute to take this informative survey at the Mission To Israel.org website. Here is the LINK:

    http://www.missiontoisrael.org/survey/defenseofisraelsurvey.php

  64. Randall September 17, 2008 @ 9:01 pm

    Seems YouTube will not let me respond to certai people, so I paste it here so SOMEONE can read it:
    Well no it didn’t, just jewish media has misinformed again.
    I wouldn’t be misstepping in your personal domain, except, commenting has ended for that video.
    No, it has not, and the evidence, rather than ended, has only gotten more concrete with the countless (for me, I don’t know how many, but a lot)
    accounts of twins separated at birth.
    The similarity in in their choice irrespective of each other’s influence
    pretty much ends the cultural/environmental predominance of why people believe the way they do. it is always a mixture, but genetics even influences
    the environment first and foremost, going back eons.
    it’s as simple as a black will be born with black skin and athletic prowess, and emotionalism, and etc..
    The cultural, (engineering) aspect has been to pit these OBVIOUS, but unmentioned racial differences, promote only ONE race as capable of being (racist) and legislating
    immigration laws to subvert and demoralize the racial
    2/3rds of any nation/state so as to divide and conquer.
    I see it plain as day in world events since the late 1800’s to today. The protocols are as real as anything, and the shrill cries of forgery, just like the shrill cries (and mostly JAIL sentences) point me in the right direction of what is truth,and what is not.
    I hope you and yours weather the coming storm in a positive manner, as I want only positive things for the human race.

    Yours truly,

    Randall

  65. newsflx November 25, 2009 @ 2:39 am

    Sarah Palin does have a rather large supporter base. Its hilarious when some of them are interviewed and cannot explain why they support her.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/23/palin-supporters-struggle_n_367800.html

  66. Dickie December 2, 2009 @ 4:54 pm

    In a book interview just a few days ago, Palin stated that she thought the Jewish settelments were just fine in the West Bank. And she encouraged more of them. Sounds like she wants all Palestine out.

    Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, James Traficant, Jesse Ventura are my guys.

  67. laws January 17, 2010 @ 12:57 pm

    Brother Nathanael,

    John Bunyan wrote as to the Antichrist seated in the temple - where he or it ought not to be.

    322 years ago, he stated that this was the Western church, which has welcomed the Antichrist spirit.

    Please visit my free website and get a free copy of Bunyan’s LAST work. John Bunyan though 322 years dead, is MORE relevant today than ever.

    He was imprisoned most of his life for preaching.

    http://www.scribd.com/laws632

  68. c. payne June 10, 2010 @ 6:17 pm

    I think Israel is same as what it was back in Biblical days.

    Stiffed necked, hard headed and disobedient! Followers of modern day false prophets.

  69. Cheryl March 11, 2011 @ 8:00 pm

    Palin is a shill.

    Christians and gov’t positions never work. The system is evil.

    Real Christians live outside this evil system. They wouldn’t work within it. It is a Babylon system. The love of money is the root of all evil…

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