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Brother Nathanael @ December 5, 2010
Dear Real Zionist News Family –
I will be headed for NYC this Wednesday for Street Evangelism.
When I return on Saturday, I will be putting together the final touches to erect the Nativity Scene Display at the Town of Frisco’s main park on Sunday December 12.
The Town of Frisco has “holiday” lights all over the place.
But not one sign appears anywhere that says, “Merry Christmas.”
Frisco has entered into the Soviet period that celebrated “winter” but NOT the birth of Christ. Really sad…
If I had the money I would lease a private property that is OPEN in the middle of Town and put up HUGE Lights that say, “Merry Christmas!”
But numbers of donations have been so low that due to increasing expenses of The Brother Nathanael Foundation projects and the high costs of running OUR site, Real Zionist News, I simply cannot do what I would really like to do TO CHANGE SOCIETY.
But this takes money.
Many write to me telling me what a “Great Job” I am doing.
But compliments do not pay the bills and do NOT alter society.
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C’mon Bro Nat –
Come to Northern California – we have lots of chosen ones here too. We need your help!!
Publish your street evangelism schedule – come to San Fran Sicko and clean house!
Sodom & Gomorrah had nothing over San Fran Sicko. Gomo ryhmes with Homo, rah rah rah.
Dear Miguel –
Let’s talk after the 1st of January.
I have a pending trip scheduled for Monterey Cal in late winter so perhaps after that we can arrange a Street Evangelism trip!
Thanks for your zeal! +BN
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Jewish Money At Forbes 400
By Brother Nathanael Kapner
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The annual “Forbes 400” just came out listing America’s richest.
100 Jewish names appear, making up 25% of the list, even though Jews make up less than 2% of the population.
Thus, there should be no more than 8 Jewish names on the list, NOT 100.
But since Jewry enjoys the lion’s share of America’s wealth, their names dominate the Forbes 400, just as their names dominate spheres of political influence, opinion-forming, and corporate decision-making.
Representative of this domination, are 4 Jews on the list whose influence in politics, media, and business, is now typical of our declining American life.
First, we have Wall Street mogul, George Soros, ranked with a net worth of 14 billion.
Soros is known as Obama’s “money man.” That’s why Rupert Murdoch, owner of Fox News, possessing a maniacal hatred of Obama, had Glenn Beck attack Soros on his Fox radio show last month.
Next, we have two Jewish corporate moguls, Carl Icahn and Nelson Peltz, ranked with a net worth of 12 billion.
Both are large shareholders of Motorola and Heinz respectively. It’s the large shareholders of multinationals that dictate corporate decisions such as replacing US workers with foreign ones.
Last, we have media mogul, Sumner Redstone, born “Murray Rothstein,” ranked with a net worth of 4 billion.
Redstone, I mean Rothstein, owns CBS, MTV, LOGO Homosexual Channel, Paramount Pictures, and Simon and Shuster Publishing.
Some call this kind of ownership “opinion-forming.”
But if Redstone’s, I mean Rothstein’s venue at MTV and LOGO, displaying all kinds of sexual deviancy, is to be labeled, then we should call this kind of ownership, “nation-corrupting.”
As President of The Brother Nathanael Foundation we are engaged in exposing the corruption and anti-Americanism that big Jewish money buys.
Come join us in our fight to restore America to true nationhood — NOT formed by big Jewish money — but formed by lofty principals and ideals.
In other words, come join us in our fight for: A Christian America NOT a Jewish America!
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By Brother Nathanael Kapner
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Street Evangelism In NYC!
December 8-11, 2010.
Dear Real Zionist News Family –
Two months ago (when I had the funding) I scheduled a Street Evangelism Trip to NYC for December 8-11 since it was SO SUCCESSFUL my last two outings there in August and October 2010.
However, because the numbers of donation have been so woefully low, I was tempted two days ago to cancel the trip.
But after praying about it intensely I feel that Christ still wants me to go this time around — AND GO REGULARLY — to this symbolic geographical area.
I do Street Evangelism in Times Square and Wall Street and the response is so POSITIVE especially from the Youth who are SO HUNGRY for Christ.
I WILL Be Doing DAILY UPDATES While In NYC REPORTING To My Dear Real Zionist News Family of My EXPERIENCES On The Street!
Here Are Some Pics & Info On My Street Evangelism:
First of all, Here is a MAJOR RENSE ARTICLE On My “STREET EVANGELISM” @
http://www.rense.com/general81/prophet.htm
Second, Here is an Interview of me with Mark Glenn of Internet fame –
In This Pic I Am In Front Of The Federal Reserve Bldg in Boston @
http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2008/02/06/a-voice-crying-out-in-the-wilderness-jewish-convert-to-christianity-trying-to-sound-the-alarm-over-the-jewish-agenda/
See Street Evangelism Pics @
This first pic is of a Muslim (he was not afraid of the rain) who told me, “Your religion is superior to mine.” He was from Iran @
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The next two pics basically show me holding the Cross in the POURING RAIN @
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Your Ever +Brother in Christ, Nathanael
Ezekiel 36:5 —
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; “Surely in the fire of my jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the heathen, and against all Idumea, which have appointed my land into their possession with the joy of all their heart, with despiteful minds, to cast it out for a prey.”
Jeremiah 49:10 —
“But I have made Esau bare, I have uncovered his secret places, and he shall not be able to hide himself; his seed is spoiled, and his brethren, and his neighbours, and he is not.”
Brother Nathanael, pay back time is coming, everything they stole will be taken back from them.
Bro Nat,
What location in NYC will you be evangelizing? I should like to come out and buy a hot cup of coffee for a good man.
By the way, I have been watching this WikiLeaks hysteria very closely and am 100% convinced that this is an Israeli disinfo operation. Presidents of Turkey and Iran agree.
Strangely enough, conspiracy “expert” Alex Jones has “fallen” for Wiki and is hyping it up. Maybe you were right about AJ?
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Turkey accuses US diplomats of spreading “slander” across the world, stressing that the unreliable information aims at damaging ties among countries.
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Alleging to be exposing the United States diplomatic cables, Wikileaks has released thousands of documents, some leveling insult against a number of world statesmen, including Turkey’s Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
“The unserious cables of American diplomats, formed from gossip, magazines, allegations and slander are spreading worldwide via the Internet,” Reuters quoted Erdogan as saying on Sunday.
Turkey has been the second country to get most of the mentions in the documents following Iraq.
The releases claim that the respected Turkish leader lacks “vision” and “analytic depth” and reads “minimally.”
“Are there disclosures of state secrets, or is there another aim?…,” the Turkish leader asked.
“Is it carrying out a veiled, dark propaganda? Are there efforts to affect, manipulate relations between certain countries?” he queried.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad also expressed doubt about the alleged exposition, saying that the US administration has “released” the material intentionally.
“The material was not leaked, but rather released in an organized way,” he said on Monday in response to a question by a Press TV correspondent.
“The countries in the region are like friends and brothers, and these malicious acts will not affect their relations,” the Iranian president said.
Turkey’s Interior Minister Besir Atalay said on Thursday that Israel, as opposed to others in the Middle East, has benefited from the alleged US documents, AFP reported.
“It seems to us that the country which … is not mentioned much, especially in the Middle East, or which this development seems to favor is Israel,” he said. “This is how we see it in a way when we look in the context of who is benefitting and who is being harmed,” Atalay said.
I will bet the domination of that Forbes’s List is even more than 25% (a lot more) because you have a lot of 5th Column fake Christians that were crypto-Jews, that did a fake conversion, and adopted a fake Christian name several centuries back.
Many Sephardics were great for this during Isabella’s expulsion from Spain, for not being loyal to the Roman Catholic Spanish Crown. They took fake vows, and fake Christian names, many say the Rockefellers are just such a FAKE Christian (really centuries old Sephardics) family ?
Until they come up with some type of DNA marker that coincides with Sephardic or Ashkenazi DNA, which these people could be tested, HOW CAN YOU EVER KNOW FOR SURE???
Only these 5th column fakes know their true history and heritage, and they would never reveal that.
One thing the Jews have done since time immemorial is their ability to keep things secret and quiet.
I am surprised they have no Hebrew or Yiddish name for these secrets??
DWC
“Bro Nat,
What location in NYC will you be evangelizing? I should like to come out and buy a hot cup of coffee for a good man.”-
al pastore
You are both good men, and if I was closer to the Big Apple, I would buy you both breakfast.
DWC
“The unserious cables of American diplomats, formed from gossip, magazines, allegations and slander are spreading worldwide via the Internet,” Reuters quoted Erdogan as saying on Sunday.” – al pastore
What the Wikileaks are really for is to give Lieberman and his cronies a perfect excuse to have resident Zionist puppet Obama use the Internet kill switch, then go to Internet II, all under the guise of “national security” being in jeopardy through the chaos Wikileaks this is causing globally.
Of course, Internet II is similar to the Chinese state monitored Internet, where they allow you to go only where they want you to be.
In other words back to 100% Zionist Jew control of information distribution to the western world.
You really believe they couldn’t find this guy in a hour if they really wanted it?
As you stated, another elaborate Zionist hoax to scare goy into whatever they want them to do.
DWC
Brother Nat,
You are the best – somehow I know you will never stop fighting for truth & justice!
I do hope you get some quiet time to enjoy Christmas Vespers and to steel yourself with Christ’s love.
Looking forward to seeing you in Monterey, CA.
All the best,
Miguel
Late here on the East Coast.
This last post is just for you Bro Nate.
Go to the link and enjoy Christmas, as you are one of those Christmas decorations on God’s Holy Christmas Tree.
Good night Nate, and Merry Christmas!
http://www.jacquielawson.com/viewcard.asp?code=2007134554829&source=jl999
DWC
Greetings in our Lord Jesus, Brother Nathanael,
Well-done informative video, beautiful lighting and scenery, and you look rosy cheeked and bright-eyed as a warrior of Christ.
And what a great idea to cameo Carl Icahn and Nelson Peltz who are two rather obscure names and faces among the Jew billionaire cabal, along with the more familiar and notable snakes like Soros and Rothstein who are publicized all of the time.
The four Jews pictured together in your montage, all with ugly, demonized twisted facial features, forcefully convey the “den of vipers” aspects of the cabal of the Jew Supremacists or the ‘Synagogue of Satan’ and their god Mammon.
I especially like how you’ve emphasized that Jewish Supremacism and the corruption of America is more than just a faceless, abstract “corporation,” and that “It’s the large shareholders of multinationals that dictate corporate decisions such as replacing US workers with foreign ones.”
God bless you, dear +BN, and let’s see more faces to go with the names of the moguls and oligarchs exposed to the world for what they are — Christ-hating, anti-human Jews who worship only themselves, their own tribe, gold, and power.
IC XC
NI KA
+Br. Nathanael,
$500.00 USD coming your way.
It ought NOT surprise anyone about the percentage of monetary/fiscal wealth in the hands of Jews.
If you ‘are’ or ‘own’ a CENTRAL BANK anywheres in our contemporary World – you get to ‘Pull Money Out Of Thin Air’ by simple ‘Gold Creating Alchemy’ commonly known as the globally accepted practice of ‘Fractional Reserve Banking’.
If the POPE, the Bishop of Rome, and all of the Cardinals in the Vatican OWNED the Central Banks of the nations of our World, then rest assured that CATHOLIC Christians would CONTROL the economies and national destinies of the nations of Europe and the Americas. And by “extention” of the BISHOP OF ROME’S ‘Central Banking Empires’ would have personal ‘Catholic’ influence throughout our entire contemporary World.
It’s all so VERY SIMPLE.
Banking Nepotism and Banking Cronism make it possible for temporal-financial WEALTH to become CONCENTRATED in the Central Bankers’ ‘Chosen Ones’.
And if it is Babylonian Talmudic Judiasm that grants the Khazarian Jews the ‘Divine Right’ TO DO WHATEVER it is that comes into their Kabbalah-Zohar influenced minds TO the other members of our Human Race – up to and including embroiling all of the ‘nasty’ Goys in a mutually destroying thermonuclear Third World War, Man-made Famines, Man-made Plagues, Man-made Climate Catastrophies so that their so-called ‘Chosenites’ wind up ruling the ruins of our World – then HAD the Central Banks of the nations of our World been under the direct control, supervision, surveillence and directorship under CHRISTIANS these past 500-600 years, we would NOW be living in a world where people could work 10 YEARS and then retire, receiving a DIVIDEND CHECK from their particular Nation-State.
There would be a genuine temporal peace amongst the peoples of the nations and states of our World with six billion people living under the knowledgeable of God’s Divine Laws which bring about the Natural Law which fosters truly genuinely HUMAN Positive Law.
And then, six billion human beings, being “freed” from abject poverty, abject miseries of common diseases, abject homelessness – all made ‘secure’ in the knowledge they would have a place to live, food to eat, clothing to wear, medical care and education – ALL six billion human beings, ALL created in the Image and Likeness of God Himself would THEN have the ‘living life Liberty’ to use and employ their particular GOD-GIVEN GIFTS and TALENTS to “do their own thing” in assisting in the moral, ethical, material, temporal ADVANCEMENT in bringing about the Divine Will of their GOD and FATHER in Heaven here on this planet earth of God’s Own Creating and Sustaining.
This contemporary ‘World’ of ours – as utterly INSANE as it has become – is INSANE precisely to the degree that the KABBALAH-ZOHAR BABYLONIAN-TALMUD GNOSTIC-OCCULT SATANIC-LUCIFERIAN CENTRAL BANKERS have FUNDED IT into being and becoming.
One would think that it is an entire ‘NATURAL THING’ to take a GUN AWAY from a stark raving murderous LUNATIC – yet SO FEW have the sense to see and understand that one must TAKE AWAY the control of nations and states CURRENCY-MONEY SUPPLY from these Bankers and Financiers who FUND and MAKE POSSIBLE the waging of wars, creating famines, promoting man-made plagues, climate manipulations, etc.
If JUDAS was motivated into betraying the Lord of Life to HIS DEATH upon a Cross for a measely 30 pieces of ‘Ag’ – then imagine what you can get 100 US Senators and 435+ Members of US Congress TO DO to 300 million US citizens and millions of people from other nations-states of our contemporary World by the mere waving of STUPID PAPER CURRENCY which is simply represented by NUMERICAL DIGITS penned on or printed to a PIECE OF PAPER known as a ‘Check’ under their individual-collective noses!
Such is the REASON for all of the MISERY and SUFFERING of human beings of our World for the past 500-600 years – the ‘Selling Out Of’ fellow human beings for what was considered and held to be MONEY.
– +Fr. Joseph
Nazareth Hermitage – USA
According to JTA, in 2009, at least 139 of the Forbes 400 were Jewish.
There are likely many more than that if one includes crypto-Jews and Jewish relations.
http://blogs.jta.org/philanthropy/article/2009/10/05/1008323/at-least-139-of-the-forbes-400-are-jewish
The rise of Jewry in the U.S. is unquestionably inversely correlated with American decline.
http://www.judeofascism.com/2010/11/social-and-moral-decay-of-america.html
Some argue that Jewry merely exploits and plunders an already declining civilization, but I believe it actually systematically promotes the decline of society because when a civilization is at its most corrupt and decadent is when Jewry reaches its pinnacle of power, influence and monetary success.
Thus, the Jewish interest is served by hastening the decay of society, which ironically (and justly) also leads to Jewry’s downfall when things eventually get so bad that the Jewish albatross in the living room can no longer be denied and society takes corrective measures.
The trick for Jewry is to keep the carcass living and breathing long enough to bleed it totally dry and simultaneously keep itself safe as the country sinks to the bottom, which Jewry does through such devices as a police state regiment (ie Homeland Security).
Also by controlling the monetary spigot (ie the Fed), and also by starting wars against patsy menaces like the Muslims to distract the country from Jewish predators and provide a rationale for the police state.
The reason Jewry lives perpetually in fear of outbreaks of anti-Semitism is because it understands its own relationship with social and civilizational decay and decline.
The Jews that scream the loudest about anti-Semitism have the most complete understanding of Jewry’s corrupting, destructive and ultimately deadly influence.
Chris Moore, editor, http://www.LibertarianToday.com
Brother Nathanael:
I can’t wait until you come to the San Francisco Bay Area! I’ll take you to lunch..
Brian
You are both good men, and if I was closer to the Big Apple, I would buy you both breakfast.
DWC
Perhaps one day in FEMA camp I’ll take you up in that. 🙂
cheers
THE TOUCH AND FEEL OF YOUR NEW RELIGION
Let’s start our journey at a website run by “Jews and Hasidic Gentiles — United to Save America” (“JHG-USA”).
The purpose of the website is to popularize Schneerson’s plans for Gentiles. Schneerson’s plan calls for non-Jews to be converted into “Hasidic Gentiles,” a lower life form in the cosmology of America’s future. The Reeb’s photo is at the top left side of the homepage.
In the Lubavitch cosmology, rabbis are naturally the top dogs. Then come the rest of the Jews. Next come former Christians or other non-Jews who have been converted to “Hasidic Gentiles;” those folk can have a share in the good life provided they forget Christ (or Buddha, etc.) and obey the laws assigned to them by the rabbis.
At the bottom of the heap are those who refuse to conform to the system; those people may be lashed, punished, and executed.
http://public-action.com/christmas.html
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Hoff: Chabad Lubavitch is Jew Communism. ALLthe Chabad Jews have done is a name change. Everything else is the same Jew-crap.
The ONLY thing the Jew is about is to take control of our state. How and what Jew gang will do that is of no concern to the elite Jews. We have the richest Jews suppporting the Communist Jews in their coup in Russia a century ago.
What we see now is every single Jew gang supporting the Chabad Jews, no matter what Jew gang they belong to.
This is just as the Jew Bolshevik vs the Jew Menshevik gang. Once the Jew Bolshevik gang was on top of the Jew Menshevik gang, all the Menshevik Jews became Bolshevik Jews.
Reform, Orthodox Jew, Menshevik, Bolshevik or Chabad Jew gang, it dosen’t matter to the Jews what gang will come out on top as long as it’s Jews who controls the state.
The Jew conspirácy is: Take control of the state. Then we will see what Jew gang will rule the state.
This is all there is to the Jew, take control of the state.
Dear al pastore –
On Wednesday, Thursday and Friday at around 4 PM I plan on being at Times Square & Broadway one block from the stage on the median strip.
Hope to see you there! +Brother Nathanael
Chabad Bolshevik Jew gang in action Dec 2010 Washington DC in front¨of White House.
“Raw Video: Lighting of the National Menorah ”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoG2uhxeN6E
Do you get it?
Ha ha! You are quite the showman, Bro Nat. Take it on the Borscht Circuit; you’ll get a million laughs!
Dear Left Hand Jake –
Ha ha ha.
Millions of laughs?
Believe me my dear Jewish tribalist, the time is coming when the last shall be first and the first shall NO LONGER BE LAUGHING.
You Jews, who hate ALL that is Good and Decent and the ESSENCE OF GOOD AND DECENCY, the Lord Jesus Christ, will be on the tail’s end when the White Christian with “race” inside of them will Wreak Their Vengeance on your tribe.
Believe me, your “Borscht Belt” will be turned into a different color of red…
I pity all of the Jews who perhaps may have some small semblance of innocence who will be taken along with the guilty.
NOT ME! Christ and His Holy Mother and Saints are ALL AROUND ME protecting me with a high wall of brass.
Your supremacy will NOT last. It is coming to an end. We are turning the corner toward a Jew-Free Western World.
It will probably be very bad before it gets better. But this, history teaches, is often the case.
+Brother Nathanael
Seeing the Signs of the Times
Dear Hoff –
I spent an entire year in my early adult years with these Chabad scoundrels.
They are a carnal and violent lot.
However, I do not think they are much of a threat so much as LIEberman, Levin, Feinstein, Schumer, Wasserman, Foxman, ALL THE JEWS who write our laws, are threatening our society.
But not to worry, I am convinced that their regime of tyranny against all that is Good and Decent is coming to an end.
History has proven such to be the case.
A massive outbreak against the Jews will come.
With more and more Americans seeing their jobs taken by the colored world — via Corporate Policy DICTATED BY JEWS WHO ARE LARGE SHAREHOLDERS of multinationals like Icahn & Peltz — White Christians WITH RACE INSIDE OF THEM which NO JEW can excise, will take their Vengeance on the White-Hating Jew.
It will come, it may tarry, but it WILL come.
This was the KEY POINT of this Video even though I am smiling away in it.
But the UNSMILING truth is that White American Jobs are being sent overseas to the colored peoples who used to FEAR the White world, but no longer.
Jews have made sure of that by sending their capital and White Jobs to the coloreds in Bangalore and Shanghai.
Whites are getting restless. With more time on their hands WITHOUT JOBS they will see who the culprits are and take their honor back into their own hands. It’s the race inside of them.
Spengler predicted it all back in the 30’s.
+Brother Nathanael
For CHRIST’S Holy Kingdom!
— The Symbolism Of Murray Rothstein – The Symbolism Of Murray Rothstein –
This is very important for it is very telling on Jew materialistic pursuit.
Rothstein, who peddles deviant sex to make his billions, wants to appear as a blue blooded New England WASP.
His conscience once told him that he is guilty of pandering sex to the Goyim and that he is nothing but a low life scum ball Jew with a penchant for exploiting prurient interests in the Gentile youth.
Thus he needed a “blanket” over his sick soul to “cover” his shame by taking on the blue-blooded name, “Sumner Redstone.”
Jews, TO A MAN, have the oppressing “mark” on their foreheads, as Cain had of fratricide, but THIS time, of “DEICIDE.”
“His blood be upon our heads and the heads of our children,” the God-murdering Jews asserted to Pilate when he wished to release the HOLY INNOCENT ONE.
Don’t think for a minute that this BLOOD CURSE has disappeared in one generation.
It is upon the head of EVERY JEW who does not repudiate their collective crime of Deicide.
It oppresses EVERY JEW with carnality, with a violent spirit, with hatred for the world of Christendom, which devolves upon ALL European White People whether or not they believe in Christ or not.
It’s in every European White’s blood – its the “race inside of them” – that carries Christendom, formed over 2,000 years of European history. (Many Hispanics carry this “race inside of them” as they are descendants of Spanish nobility, as Spengler pointed out.)
All the “Rothsteins” who seek to cover their shame and sin with “Redstones” are wearing emperor’s clothes.
Their nakedness will SOON be exposed to the entire world. It will NO LONGER be a localized phenomena.
+Brother Nathanael
Former Jew
BAPTIZED an Orthodox Christian
Blood Curse REMOVED!
Dear Brother Nathanael,
Once again you have demonstated the brilliance of your thinking.
Your article on the 100 Jewish billionaires, especially at this time of year when people should be focusing on the spiritual, not the temporal, is hard-hitting and thought-provoking.
Actually there are probably many more than 100 Jew billionaires when one counts all the crypto-Jews and kike lovers among the billionaire class.
I agree totally with Chris Moore of the Libertarian Today.com when he writes:
“The rise of Jewry in the U.S. is unquestionably inversely correlated with American decline.
“Some argue that Jewry merely exploits and plunders an alredy declining civilization, but I believe it actually systematically promotes the decline of society because when a civilization is at its most corrupt and decadent is when Jewry reaches its pinnacle of power, influence and monetary success.
“The trick for Jewry is to keep the carcass living and breathing long enough to bleed it totally dry and simultaneously keep itself safe as the country sinks to the bottom, which Jewry does through such devices as a police state regiment (ie Homeland Security).”
Bravo, Mr. Moore, this is exactly what is happening.
And Bravo, Brother Nathanael, for clearly laying out what is in store for the Jews if they don’t shape up, give up their pharasitical (and parasitical) way of life and accept our Blessed Lord Jesus Christ as Saviour and Messiah.
In your reply to the yids who mock us Christians, you wrote the following:
“You Jews, who hate ALL that is Good and Decent and the ESSENCE OF GOOD AND DECENCY, the Lord Jesus Christ, will be on the tail’s end when the White Christian with “race” inside of them will Wreak Their Vengeance on your tribe.
“Believe me, your “Borscht Belt” will be turned into a different color of red…
“I pity all of the Jews who perhaps may have some small semblance of innocence who will be taken along with the guilty.
“NOT ME! Christ and His Holy Mother and Saints are ALL AROUND ME protecting me with a high wall of brass.
“Your supremacy will NOT last. It is coming to an end. We are turning the corner toward a Jew-Free Western World.
“It will probably be very bad before it gets better. But this, history teaches, is often the case.”
Brother Nathanael, you and I are both former Jews who have been baptized and put on new lives as believers in Jesus Christ. Why can’t the bulk of Jewry do likewise?
We know why: Because Jews worship Satan and filthy lucre. They are so much in love with money and power that they have no room in their hearts for God the Father and his only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.
Jesus perfectly described present-day money-hungry Jews. Here is what He said as recorded in Matthew, chapter 23 (I have substituted the words “Jewish millionaires and billionaires” for Jesus’s words, “scribes and pharisees.”)
1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
2 “The Jewish millionaires and billionaires sit in Moses’ seat.
3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5 Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long;
6 They love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
7 They love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.
8 But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers.
9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah.
11 The greatest among you will be your servant.
12 For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
13 Woe to you, Jewish millionaires and billionaires, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
[14] You devour widows’ houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. These men (Jewish millionaires and billionaires) will be punished most severely.
15 Woe to you, Jewish millionaires and billionaires, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.
16 Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’
17 You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
18 You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’
19 You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
20 Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
21 And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
22 And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.
23 Woe to you, Jewish millionaires and billionaires, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices — mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law — justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
24 You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
25 Woe to you, Jewish millionaires and billionaires, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside you are full of greed and self-indulgence.
26 Blind Jewish millionaires and billionaires! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
27 Woe to you, Jewish millionaires and billionaires, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean.
28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
29 Woe to you, Jewish millionaires and billionaires, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’
31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
32 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!
33 You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.”
These are the words of our Lord Jesus Christ. But will the Jews pay attention to them?
Absolutely not, because their eyes are blind and their hearts are hard, and they will not see what is so plain: that Jewish treachery and deceit will only earn them places in hell.
As you, Brother Nathanael, so wisely put it in another part of your article:
“A massive outbreak against the Jews will come.
“With more and more Americans seeing their jobs taken by the colored world — via Corporate Policy DICTATED BY JEWS WHO ARE LARGE SHAREHOLDERS of multinationals like Icahn & Peltz — White Christians WITH RACE INSIDE OF THEM which NO JEW can excise, will take their Vengeance on the White-Hating Jew.
“It will come, it may tarry, but it WILL come.”
Here’s what will happen: The Jews will be made to crawl on their bellies like the snakes and vipers that they are, crawl and eat dirt, like they have made Christians eat s–t for centuries, ever since their ancestors crucified our Lord.
Then they will be forced to give back all the money they have stolen from Christians for lo, these many years. Then they’ll be kicked out of the country.
And the ones who refuse will, as Pat+ wrote in another thread, be made to pass through the wood chipper.
I tried to link to the Solar General website at http://www.solargeneral.com/ as Hoff suggested.
I got the web page, but when I clicked on the Jews section to see some of the articles, nothing happened. I got a page that said “Done,” but it was blank. This happened several times.
What has happened? Did the kikes manage to censor the Solar General site like they do every Internet site that tries to tell the truth about Jews?
No wonder this country is called the Jewnited States of America.
“Judaea delenda est!”
Jewry must be destroyed!
Hi Hoff
what do you think of this site
http://us1.harunyahya.com/Detail/T/EDCRFV/productId/14813/WHERE_IS_THE_DAJJA
from the site http://www.globalfreemasonry.com
Bro. Nathanael
How is Murdoch different from Soros?
It would seem that they have the same lineage. Would you consider Murdoch an authentic Judeo-American believer, versus Soros a Judeo-Zionist believer.
Or are they both Zionists, with internal conflicts?
Sal Ty
Glory B:
You couldn’t be more correct! I am an 80 yr old medical shut-in and have played 20 thousand games of scrabble. I play 3 or 4 games of scrabble to free my mind from being disgusted at being jammed on on anti-jew websites! I have yet to be jammed on the scrabble website!
I get security warnings from Microsoft on 8 of my sites! The “x” is unresponsive! Then you can hit OK which takes you back to square one. I have another 8 or 10 sites that just stop and jam midway into the messages such as Rense and Presstv.
Whoever says the internet is not censored is pure CRAZY!!
Left Hand Jake,
Can I ask from you an honest and sincere ANSWER to this very simple question? I am assuming that you are a ‘JEW’ on account of +Br. Nathanael’s response to you – and as a ‘JEW’, you can give an ANSWER to the rest of the 5.9999 billion members of God’s Own HUMAN RACE on behalf of ALL of you Jews throughout our contemporary World to include all of the JEWS holed up within the territorial boundaries and precincts of the POLTIICAL ZIONIST State of Israel.
Both GOD and His Human Race here on His created and sustained Planet Earth HAVE a ‘Need To Know’!
“What On Earth” makes you JEWS so thick, so dense, so slow, so callous, so indifferent, so inhumane and NON-human?
You JEWS have the TORAH available to all of you, just as do we Christians and just as do all of the Moslems throughout our contemporary World.
Per “your own” Mosiac Covenant, you have “your” MOSES telling all of you JEWS down through the centuries and up to this point in our Human Race’s history – the year now being 2010 Anno Domini (‘Anno Domini’ is the Church’s LATIN which means ‘Year of Our Lord’, just in case you weren’t aware of that fact) – the following in “your” Torah’s book of Deuteronomy, chapter 18 verses 18 & 19:
“I (YHWH) will raise up a Prophet like yourself for them from their own brothers: I (YHWH) will put My Words into His Mouth and He shall tell (the HEBREWS, the ISREALITES, the JEWS under the Mosaic Covenant – parens mine) all I (YHWH) command Him. The man who does NOT listen to My Words that He speaks in My Name, shall be held ANSWERABLE to Me (YHWH) for it.”
In Jesus Christ’s Church’s own canon of Sacred Scripture, all of you JEWS as well as all of the Moslems throughout our contemporary World can READILY FIND for yourselves His following words recorded in the Gospel according to St. John:
“How can you believe,
since you (JEWS) look to one another
for approval
and ARE NOT CONCERNED
with the Approval that comes from
the One God?
Do not imagine that I am going
to accuse you before the Father:
you place your hopes ON MOSES,
AND MOSES WILL BE YOUR ACCUSER.
If you REALLY believed him (Moses)
you would believe in Me too,
SINCE IT WAS I THAT HE WAS WRITING ABOUT!
But if you REFUSE to believe
what Moses wrote,
HOW CAN YOU BELIEVE WHAT I SAY?”
– Jesus, God’s CHRIST to all of Mankind –
John 5:44-47
What’s the matter with you ‘Jews’? Are the whole lot of you so ILLITERATE that you CAN’T READ your own ‘Torah’?
Are your Jewish ‘Rabbis’ SO ILLITERATE that they can’t read with comprehension your own Jewish ‘TORAH’ – and they are entirely incapable of even reading Jesus Christ’s Own Church’s GOSPEL accounts??
How STUPID the whole lot of you make yourselves out to be BEFORE all of Mankind and our contemporary Human Race in this year 2010 Anno Domini!
Do you think the ROTHSCHILDS, the WARBURGS, the ROCKERFELLERS, the whole array of private owners of the nations of our contemporary World’s CENTRAL BANKS have some sort of ‘Divinely Crafted Safe Deposit Boxes’ in which each of you individual JEWS of our contemporary World get “deposited” and “kept safe” for all of Eternity?
Aren’t you JEWS throughout our contemporary World and those holed up within the territorial precincts of your POLITICAL Zionist Criminal State of ISRAEL the least bit CONCERNED about what St. John the Baptist had to say about this ‘PROPHET’ foretold to all of you JEWS by “your” own Mosaic Covenant’s MOSES, that…
“His winnowing-fan is in His Hand; He will clear His threshing-floor and gather in His Wheat into His (Heavenly) Barn; BUT THE CHAFF HE WILL BURN IN A FIRE THAT WILL NEVER GO OUT!”
You ‘Jews’ holed up in your global criminal syndicate Zionist State of Israel are getting so ‘burned up’ about the current FOREST FIRES raging uncontrollably in and around your cities and towns and villages ROBBED from the Palestinians – and yet you have not the sense to understand that there is an ETERNAL-UNQUENCHABLE FIRE into which God’s Prophet Who Is CHRIST JESUS will throw the HUMAN ‘CHAFF’ of this contemporary World of ours!
So there ya go, Left Hand Jake, how do the ROTHSCHILDS, the WARBUGS, the GOLDMAN’S, the SACH, the SCHIFFS, the SOROS’, the MADOFF’s, the ROCKERFELLERS, etc. intend ‘TO SAVE’ all of you JEWS from the Eternal and Unquenchable FIRES OF HELL upon your inevitable and forthcoming individual and collective mortal-physical-temporal DEATHS?
– +Fr. Joseph
Since the times even before the rise of Constantine as Emperor of the ancient ROMAN EMPIRE, there have been written accounts of GOD’S OWN ‘Miracle of Holy Fire’ which He causes to occur “like Divine Clockwork” every year right there in the middle of JERUSALEM at the Church of the Holy Scepluchre:
God’s Miracle of Holy Fire – God’s Own Divine PUBLIC MIRACLE performed yearly for THE JEWS, the MOSLEMS and for the people of every last nation-state of this World of ours:
http://www.holyfire.org/eng/
Perhaps Left Hand Jake – as a ‘JEW’ – can EXPLAIN to the rest of us members of God’s HUMAN RACE how it is that his fellow JEWS, his so-called ‘teacher’ RABBIS – and every last contemporary living member holed up in the territorial precincts of their global criminal syndicate Zionist State of ISRAEL;
Can just keep on going on in their CRIMES AGAINST ALL OF HUMANITY – when YHWH faithfully and relentlessly ATTEMPTS to get ‘The Jews’ ATTENTION with His Divine Yearly Miracle of HOLY FIRE right there in their midst, in Jerusalem???
I don’t know about any of you, but I am ‘NOT IMPRESSED’ by the Jews. Give ME all of their JEWISH Money, and I’ll show ALL OF YOU just how to ‘Run A World’ for the benefit, wellbeing, welfare and material and spiritual ADVANCEMENT of our entire Human Race!
– +Fr. Joseph
Fr. Joseph,
Nice rant. While you’re at it, you might want to consider obeying #9 on Glory B’s list above.
Dutchguy
I looked up the two websites you mentioned above.
From the harunyahya.com, it looks like the anti-christ is doing his work from the area from below the Al Aqsa Mosque.
In the other website about freemasonry, it looks like the Jews took up where the ancient Egyptians, particulary their priesthood, left off and they have carried the ancient ideas of the Egyptians to new levels.
I wonder if the majority of Jews have read into any of this. This information has apparently been published by a Muslim.
Mr. Phillips,
Do you have ‘A Problem’ with ordained and consecrated Religious in Christ Jesus’ Church Militant here on earth being granted titles and designations such a ‘Father’ and ‘Mother’ and ‘Brother’ and ‘Sister’?
IF SO…then “throw YOUR Bible away!” and tell your ‘bible-alone pastor-preacher’ of your vehemently anti-Catholic or anti-Orthodox IRS Tax Exempt Corporation preaching and teaching their own version of a FALSE GOSPEL and FALSE APOSTOLIC FAITH to go ‘take a hike’!
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%204:15&version=NCV
For to be TAUGHT Christ Jesus’ Gospel and Divine Revelation and to have a NEW BIRTH and a NEW LIFE in Christ Jesus entails the very act of ‘CONCEPTION’.
And WHOEVER initiates those words and those acts which bring about a NEW LIFE in people’s minds, hearts, souls and spirits here in this ‘Natural Realm’ IS called ‘Father’.
There are those who are ‘Fathers of Medicine’; ‘Fathers of the Sciences’; ‘Fathers of Nations-States’; ‘Fathers of the Arts’; ‘Fathers of Philosophy’ – and then there are ‘FATHERS’ who initiate and impart natural-biological NEW LIFE deep within the wombs of WOMEN who become MOTHERS – WOMEN who impart, donate, sustain, nourish the NEW HUMAN LIFE which God Himself ‘knits together’ deep within them all.
And then there are FATHERS of the Church. And the CHURCH MILITANT here on this God-given Planet Earth of His creating and sustaining IS His Very Own FAMILY OF GOD.
“I wanted you to know how people ought to behave IN GOD’S FAMILY – that is, IN THE CHURCH of the Living God, which upholds the Truth and keeps it safe.” – St. Paul the Apostle to BISHOP Timothy – 1 Timothy 3:15
This bible-alone-fundamentalists’ cockamamie notion that one is NOT to call any man ‘Father’ comes out of the same vehemently anti-Catholic as well as anti-Orthodox MINDS and HEARTS of those types of preachers, pastors and teachers who go about preaching and teaching:
That EVERYONE on planet earth is to support the criminally insane political Zionist State of Israel – and that we NEED to have a thermonuclear Third World War started in order to ‘drag Jesus down from His Heaven by His Beard’ SO THAT the members of their particular ant-Catholic and anti-Orthodox Bible-Alone IRS Tax Exempt Incorporated ‘church’ wind up in ‘The Rapture’!
By the Grace of God, I am BOTH a ‘natural’ father of my SONS as well as now an ordained Priest in the Church’s Monastic Brotherhood.
Those of the Eastern Orthodox Churches UNDERSTAND that both married men and women, AFTER they have raised their own offspring into adult maturity, are granted by the EOCs the ability to entire into the vowed, consecrated and ordained RELIGIOUS life of their particular Orthodox Rite.
To become a ‘Father’ ENTAILS accepting the personal RESPONSIBILITY for one’s own OFFSPRING, whether those offspring are one’s own physical CHILDREN – or whether those offspring are your ‘spiritual’ offspring to which you’ve imparted a NEW LIFE they never had before via your words and actions of preaching, teaching or administering CHRIST’S DIVINE SACRAMENTS onto them such a Baptism, Confession-Reconciliation, the Eucharist, Marriage, Anointing of the Sick.
Christ Jesus’ DIVINE INSTRUCTIONS to His Jewish audience to ‘call no man father’ was to cause them to LET GO of their clinging onto Abraham as their FATHER so as to come to understand that His Divine Father in Heaven IS their True Spiritual Father!
For a FATHER ‘begets’ and ‘conceives’ HIS own children – and God our Father in Heaven BEGETS and CONCEIVES us, and grants us NEW LIFE by imparting into us His Own DIVINE Holy Spirit!
Abraham could not, would not and never was or would become able TO IMPART God the Father’s NEW LIFE into people since God the Father HIMSELF Agrees to and Desires to IMPART His Holy Spirit.
And it is by God the Father’s Divine HOLY SPIRIT imparted into/onto us via the Lord’s Own Church’s SACRAMENTS that we mere mortal human beings are given the spiritual ability to call GOD HIMSELF ‘OUR FATHER’!
Now GO TELL, GO INSTRUCT, GO EXPLAIN all of this to your local ‘bible-alone’ pastor, preacher or teacher of whatever sect, cult or denomination YOU belong to.
Your ‘bible-alone’ pastor, preacher or teacher JUST MIGHT wind up calling ME ‘Father’.
– +Fr. Joseph
Dear Bro. Nathanael:
When you go to Time Square in NYC, be sure you dress very warmly: scarf, muffs, gloves and a very warm overcoat.
As you know at this time of year it gets very cold in downtown NYC; I know, I lived there for many years.
We all want you around, dear Bro. Nathanael. You must stay healthy as you have a lot of work to do for the LORD.
Amen.
Mr. Phillips,
Chances are good that I’m a ‘wee bit OLDER’ than you. Hence, if you have a ‘Bible’ handy, go check out 1 Timothy 5:1:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy%205:1&version=NCV
Now regarding the utterly FALSE/FALLACIOUS ‘Pastor John Hagee Nuke Those Anti-Zionist Palestinians’ sorts of Butcher-the-Bible teachings and assertions from their ‘pulpits’ that one is NOT to call ANY man ‘father’…maybe there are still two or three ‘Bible-Alone’ pastors and preachers here in the U.S.A. who might STILL READ their Bibles for what the Lord’s Own Hand-Chosen APOSTLES taught and preached:
Colossians 3:21
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians%203:21&version=NCV
1 Thessalonians 2:11
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Thessalonians%202:11&version=NCV
Ephesians 6:4
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians%206:4&version=NCV
Now what I’m trying TO DO here on +Br. Nathanael’s RZN website’s commentary sections is to IMPART enough factual knowledge, understand and wisdom that I am capable of generating to and for any and all OTHERS who read these postings of mine I compose/write/post via these Graces that are granted to me via the Lord’s Church’s Sacrament of HOLY ORDERS so that ALL OF US might have a ‘Fighting Chance’ of AVOIDING or HALTING this Satanic plot/plan to wipe out about 4 billion people from the face of our God-given Planet Earth via a thermonuclear Third World War.
Chances of ME getting that accomplished are about 1 to 1 Ga-Zillion, but somebody somewhere has to at least TRY to do SOMETHING – even if it seem to be WRONG!
So about this personal issue of yours in not wanting to call me or refer to me by my religious title of ‘Father’.
It was St. Paul the Lord’s Own Apostle who took it upon himself to go out into the entire known World of his time in order TO PREACH and TO TEACH the Lord Jesus Christ’s Divine GOOD NEWS to and for all of Mankind – and St. Paul himself considered himself to be a ‘Father’:
Philippians 2:22
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Philippians%202:22&version=NCV
“…because as a son WITH HIS FATHER he has served with me in the work of the Gospel.”
So in other to UNFOUL what so many other of these so-called ‘pastors’ and ‘preachers’ and ‘teachers’ WITH “their” Bibles have DONE with respect to people’s understanding of what consistitutes an ordained religious ‘FATHER’ in our day and age, I’m gonna compose for you and any/all others a posted ‘HOMILY’ here along with a wee bit of PROPER Christian catechesis.
– +Fr. Joseph
Br. Nathanael:
Will have you in prayers on the NY outreach.
On cold weather: I find taking some ginger capsules helping me keep warmer in the cold.
It’s a common use for ginger, but I did not find much result till I took about 4-6 capsules, usually with water, sometimes a meal. Some brands are better than others, I tend to like Soloray.
Cayenne does similar but I find it uncomfortable on the stomach. They both increase circulation.
Blessings!
The spiritual-religious purpose for the writing of the Book of Genesis was/is to draw people’s attention to the Magnificent Glorified Divine Nature and Creative Abilities of GOD HIMSELF.
Here is God Who creates individual beings in His Own Image and Likeness. He created them male and female. And God endows them all with personally autonomous powers of Cogniztion/Awareness, Presence and personal Potencies – all clearly identical to God’s Own Divine Traits of Omniscience, Omnipresence and Omnipotence.
In the FIRST account of God’s Creative Act from Genesis 1:1-2:4, it is established that ALL THINGS that truly have existance, substance and ‘being’ are of GOD’S Doing.
In the SECOND account of God’s Creative Act from Genesis 2:6-25, we members of the Human Race are granted the KNOWLEDGE, UNDERSTANDING and INSIGHT as to what was/is IN the Mind of our Creator God in His Creating us the way we ARE and are MEANT ‘To Be’.
It is to ADAM, the first MAN, that God grants him his own ‘authority’ OVER God’s Own Creation in permitting and encouraging him with his cognition-awareness of God’s created things TO NAME those things of God’s Own Creating.
Yet, being CREATED in the Image and Likeness of God entails the God-like ‘Power’ of CREATING NEW LIFE! While God is the Creator, ADAM is created to be a PROTO-creator as well.
While GOD in His Triune Divine Nature declares of Himself AS God ‘Let US make man in OUR Own Nature, in the Likeness of OURSELVES…’ (Genesis 1:28), in the SECOND account of God’s Creative Act, Genesis 2:18, the LONE Adam does NOT have a ‘suitable helpmate’ in order to REALIZE the God-like potential power of being a PROTO-CREATOR who is capable of bringing forth NEW LIFE himself.
Hence, God creates for Adam a ‘suitable helpmate’ IN ORDER TO fulfill his being created in the Image and Likeness of GOD Who created mankind in the Likeness of THEMSELVES so as to bring for NEW LIFE as well.
This ‘suitable helpmate’ with which Adam CAN fulfill his latent potential of bringing for NEW LIFE as God Himself CREATES new life is taken from Adam’s own God-like created nature – and ADAM who has God’s authority to NAME ALL that God created NAMES this ‘new living creature created in God’s Own Image and Likeness as well’ “WOMAN”, for at last ADAM can now realize his being created in the Image and Likeness of our LIFE-GIVING Creator God!
“This AT LAST is bone from my bone,
and flesh from my flesh.
This is to be called WOMAN
for this was taken from man.” – Gen. 2:23
So what ON EARTH does any of this have to do with calling another person ‘FATHER’???
I shall now proceed to explain…
– +Fr. Joseph
Adam looks upon the WOMAN, Eve…and he cannot but help to be COGNIZANT of the Divine Fact that this WOMAN that God presents to him SO THAT he (and she) might realize the full potential of THEIR being able to bring forth NEW LIFE by the acts and actions of their own FREE WILLS is a ‘NEW LIFE’ conceiving, creating, sustaining and nurturing living BEING who just so happens to LIKEWISE have God’s Own Image and Likeness as SHE is also equally endowned with 1) COGNITION/AWARENESS 2) PRESENCE and 3) POTENCIES just as HE has.
If one looks/examines a WOMAN’S nature from a ‘dispassionate-as-possible’ MALE point-of-view, one cannot but help recognize and experience the ‘Zap Of New Life’ a woman’s physical beauty brings INTO and FOR a man when she comes into view, into one’s presence.
And upon further ‘dispassionate’ examination of a WOMAN’S nature from a MALE point-of-view, everything that God has ENDOWED her with in her WOMANLY nature is there in order to conceive NEW LIFE, to created NEW LIFE, to sustain and nourish NEW LIFE.
That is why Adam called the WOMAN ‘Eve’ because she, on account OF her womanly nature and ALL that her feminine-female nature is endowed WITH and created FOR, is there by God’s Own Divine Creative Powers to make women the MOTHERS OF ALL THE LIVING, that word ‘living’ meaning those who are created with a SPIRIT in the Image and Likeness of the All-Alive and Ever-Living Life-Giving Life-Creating GOD Himself.
So, com’on +Fr. Joseph, what ON EARTH does any of this have to do with the title designation of ‘FATHER’ and with ‘FATHERHOOD’???
Time for a cup of coffee – and I’ll be back to explain yet further FROM the passages of the Christian Church Militant’s Canon of Sacred CHRISTIAN Scripture – aka ‘The New Testament’….
– +Fr. Joseph
Dear Glory B., Pat+ :
I realize that I risk seeming rude to cross examine a few of the ideas you put forth, but please bear with me because I have a benevolent point to make which is not personal.
The idea which I am at odds with is the notion that perhaps you all verge on the belief that the world is materialistically perfectable or savable through any means our our humble disposal, as humans.
An example of this is the militancy with which you assert you intend to deal with the whole problem of Talmudic-headed violence and aggression against the meek and innocent.
To all of that I have to say: judgment of Babylon, (by which I literally mean the Western, Judeo-pornographic occult usury cartel and its associated military-security quislings and corporate lackeys)is not in the hands of any of us, individually or collectively.
The Bible talks very clearly in Revelation Chapter 17 about the, “ten kings giving power to the beast,” and together, “burning her (Babylon, the great merchant city situated on many waters) with fire and eating her flesh”.
So, this judgment is foreordained not to be undertaken by Christians, but by the Antichrist and his armies. The scriptures plainly state that this is the fact. So if you want to join a global movement to get revenge on the dirty Jews, you can eventually count on the day when you will join the Man of Perdition in his “Christian” mission.
God, I can only reason, would like his people to remain free of the sinful burden of assassinating and execution. The only real reason to try to hurt another person is in order to stop them in moment of their plain and open aggression, from hurting the innocent and thus will your violence serve a just, if patently evil, purpose.
I apologize if I seem to have advocated using the dark arts to get even with the evil bastards, I don’t think I did, but when I alluded to, “looking over their shoulders, etc.,” it was with the intention of referring to the fact that the general American population is guided by passions and none too holy.
What I could have said as well, was that these food-bill pushers were threatening to accidentally break the cardinal Talmudic injunction: “don’t scare the goyim out of the barn.” Maybe that would have explained it better. But goyim on the stampede is what it boils down to for mister crafty.
To be clear; I advocate that each individual has a moral and spiritual duty to resist destructive violence with an amount of force properly proportional to the threat, but not more. To assume the burden of homocide in war or defense of chastity is to incur separation from the holy chalice for a period of three years, according to blessed Basil. So looking for trouble is not the way.
Dear Fr. Joseph:
On a more noetic level, there also exists the parallel idea of somehow averting the evil of war which must surely come to pass if the Bible’s plan of salvation is to literally come to pass.
I don’t feel right to criticize a person’s hopes in a good end, so I am also sorry when I question this. I have noted your elaborate reasons to hope for this thing, which does no harm in and of itself, and I am in no position to evaluate or judge the merits of your argument, save in one general and theological way:
Are you saying that the destiny of the world is alterable by our works to such an extent that the judgment of Babylon might somehow be avoided or transformed, or just prolonged indefinitely?
Peace in Christ.
God bless you Bill Donohue
TRENDING: Nativity scenes sent to all 50 governors
This supposedly peaceful time of year has the capacity to create tension – Christmas light rivalries and fights over whether religious decorations should adorn government spaces.
But the conservative Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights says it is just trying to spread holiday cheer by sending nativity scenes to governors in all 50 states.
In a letter last month, the Catholic League told governors and their chiefs of staff that the nativities were on their way and suggested they be displayed in capitol rotundas.
Catholic League President Bill Donohue says he has heard back from about half of the nation’s governors on his group’s gift and that he hasn’t received any negative reactions.
“We have received the nativity scene, and the Governor appreciates the gift,” McDonnell spokeswoman Stacey A. Johnson said in an email message to CNN. “As a practicing Catholic, he always displays a nativity scene in his home during the Christmas holiday. The Governor will display this nativity scene in the Executive Mansion.”
“We are also aware that other major religions with holidays during this same period may also request appropriate displays,” Johnson continued, “and the Mansion staff will consider those requests as they are received.”
The 15 and half inch crèches cost $80 each, with funding coming from an appeal to Catholic League members.
The League, which Donohue admits gets involved in the so-called Christmas wars every year, has in the past sent out Christmas decals and pressed department stores to refer to merry Christmases – not just happy holidays.
Doug Laycock, a law professor at the University of Virginia who specializes in religious liberty issues, says that the Supreme Court has ruled that the government’s ability to display religious symbols like nativity scenes depends on the setting.
“The government can’t display a nativity scene all by itself, even if it’s donated and paid for by a private group,” Laycock said in an e-mail message. “Under Supreme Court precedent, the government can display a nativity scene if it is accompanied by some (not precisely defined) number of ‘secular’ symbols of Christmas, such as Santa Claus, reindeer, candy canes, and the like.”
“I don’t know that anyone is very happy with this compromise,” he continued, “but to the Justices, it seemed better than either alternative – that the government can take no note of Christmas, or that it can display ‘secular’ symbols without religious symbols, or that it can engage in a purely religious celebration of the holiday.”
The Catholic League says its campaign is meant to counter what it calls “militant atheists.” The group is erecting a life-sized nativity scene in Central Park on December 16. The world’s largest menorah is currently on display there.
“We’re taking the moral high road,” says a statement on the group’s website. “The atheists are out in force this year trying to neuter Christmas. While a few of their efforts are benign… most are predictably hostile.”
After an atheist group posted a billboard near the New Jersey side of the Lincoln Tunnel that called the Christmas story a myth, the Catholic League put up a billboard on the New York side of the tunnel: “You Know It’s Real: This Season, Celebrate Jesus.”
“It’s not a war on Christmas, rather it’s a war on intolerance and ignorance,” American Atheists, the group behind the New Jersey billboard, says on its website. “It’s a war on false gods, false prophets, and false promises.”
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/06/nativity-scenes-sent-to-all-50-governors/?hpt=T2
DWC
Being created in the Image and Likeness of GOD entials being an autonomous free willed being endowed with 1) Cognition/Awareness 2) Actual-Real Presence, 3) Potencies and Potentials, 4) possessing the ability to bring for new life….and so often forgotten, overlooked and NEGLECTED in our contemporary day and age in this World of ours, the year now being 2010 Anno Domini, 5) endowed with a spirit that will exist and have being/substance for ALL OF ETERNITY.
What that means is this – in 10 years from now, ALL OF US will still yet ‘be’.
In 50 years from now, ALL OF US will still yet ‘be’.
In 100 years from now, ALL OF US will still yet ‘be’.
In 1,000 years from now, ALL OF US will still yet ‘be’.
In 1,000,000 years from now, ALL OF US will still yet ‘be’.
For ALL OF ETERNITY – ALL OF US will still yet ‘be’.
St. Thomas Aquinas, Angelic Doctor of the Catholic Church, in summarizing those of us who are CURRENTLY living our lives in this time-space-energy-matter SEEN Creation of God’s Doing and current Sustaining summarized the ‘Genus-Philum-Species’ of ALL truly spiritual beings as
1) Those who have a beginning and an end (in time-space-matter-energy)
2) Those who have a beginning and NO end
(those created elemental spirits who DO NOT live in time-space-matter-energy)
3) Those Who have NO Beginning and NO End
(God – the Triune Godhead – the Blessed Trinity – God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit)
In OUR time-space-matter-energy Seen All of God’s Creating and Sustaining, it is WE members of the Human Race who are created in God’s Image and Likeness – and WE members of the Human Race have a SPIRIT which will live/remain-in-being FOREVER since we ARE created in God’s Own Image and Likeness – and God LIVES/IS ‘Forever’ and ‘For All Eternity’.
But ‘HOW?’ does a HUMAN CHILD obtain his or her ‘beginning’ HERE in our time-space-matter-energy seen ‘All’ in which we ALL move, live and have our current being?
The answer: By being CONCEIVED in the womb of a WOMAN! It’s true – ALL women can rightfully be called by the name ‘EVE’ since THEY are the MOTHERS of all of the LIVING! Yet ALL of their offspring will have an ‘END’ to their lives here in this time-space-matter-energy Realm in which ALL of us are currently conducting our lives and our lifetimes with these FREE WILLS granted to us by GOD HIMSELF.
Now there was/is ONE WOMAN who has conceived HER CHILD by the Life-giving and Life-creating Divine Powers and Abilities of GOD the Holy Spirit – and for her to conceive by the Divine Power of God the Holy Spirit, that makes HER CHILD and her Child ALONE the One, True and Real ‘SON OF GOD THE FATHER’.
And that WOMAN is known by the name of MARY.
It can safely be stated that for a WOMAN to love the MAN of her life to as perfect as a level as humanly possible, that she would desire to REPLICATE the life of her much beloved and desired MAN by using and utilizing her very own personal womanly NATURE of her own personal being which is entirely under the full control of her own FREE WILL.
In other words, a WOMAN has the Divinely endowed ‘potential & power’ TO REPLICATE with her own womanly-feminine nature the one she really, truly, sincerely and honestly LOVES with her entire being and nature by CONCEIVING her beloved’s OFFSPRING.
Now ‘What If?’ a WOMAN so totally and completely and without any restrictions or obstacles SO LOVED GOD HIMSELF for Himself as He Is in Himself?
Folks around the world, the Blessed Virgin Mary who was and is so completely FULL of God’s Own Divine Life-Giving Spiritual Graces SO LOVED GOD HIMSELF SO COMPLETELY that her spiritual LOVE and her spiritual BEAUTY in the Sight of Almighty God Himself moved God Himself SO COMPLETELY as to ask this WOMAN to be the MOTHER of God the Father’s Only Eternally Begotten Son Who Is JESUS, God’s MESSIAH, God’s KRISTOS, God’s CHRIST, to all of Mankind.
It’s right there in for one and all TO READ for themselves in the Gospel account according to St. Luke THE PHYSICIAN, Luke 1:26-38:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke%201:26-38&version=NCV
A little bit of PATIENCE on your parts – I’m getting around to addressing this ‘Call No Man Father’ NON-SENSE spewed out upon the masses of so-called ‘christians’ by these so-called pastors-preacher-teachers and “their” BIBLES they have all STOLEN from the Catholic Church and are currently MIS-USING to fill their own ‘Gimme Your Tithe & Support Criminal Zionist Israel At All Costs’ COFFERS which are IRS-Tax Exempt.
– +Fr. Joseph
Michael Kelley,
Is scripture 100 % sure reality to happen, or perhaps “shapes of things” that may or may not happen as a result of human activity and choice?
Kind of like an Ebenezer Scrooge: being shown the path that he is currently on will surely lead to the same hellish bondage that chained friend Jacob Marley, if it is not altered, for goodness, and charity towards his follow man.
Doesn’t one of the spirits tell Scrooge, “your business needs to be humanity.”
What you are saying Mike is God is “Static” when everything else in his universe is dynamically allocated.
I further give you another example, when the Christ was at the Wedding, and Mother Mary implored him, to do something about the oversight of not having enough wine.
What did he first say Mike? “Women, my time has not yet come.” He is not yet revealed as the Messiah, the Son of God.
He eventually capitulates because of his deep love for his mother and grants this wish by turning many jugs of water into wine.
If God’s plan is so static as you say, Jesus would not of capitulated.
Also, in the Garden of Gethsemane, Jesus utters one of the most famous lines in the
New Testament, “Father, to you all things are possible, can this cup be passed from my hand.”
Now this particular event, his suffering on the cross, death, and resurrection was
the only way for God’s reconciliation with man.
He most of been told this in his hour of darkness, which he ultimately chose to stay the course (his own choice: a death he freely accepted).
No, my dear friend, there is nothing “STATIC” about the Divine Creator.
DWC
Are there even words for this?-
http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-to-replace-washington-on-dollar-bill.html
The “Jews”/Khazars who ru(i)n the economy must be planning on crashing the fiat currency hard. This is most likely their way of laughing at us all when they do.
Dear Michael Kelley,
You caught me in the midst of getting around to establishing that the titles of ‘Father’ as well as ‘Mother’ conferred or ASSIGNED to men and women in our World have NOT received the ‘Condemnation of Christ Jesus’ as so many misguided and misinformed ‘Bible-believing Bible-alone’ cult-sect-denominations ardently drill into the minds, hearts, souls and spirits of their ‘Captive Audiences’.
But to answer your question to me about any sort of unalterable inevitabilities with regards to our ENTIRE Human Race and our collective Salvation History – only God’s Own SOVEREIGN Divine Will is what matters.
DESPITE all of the manifold, interlocking and mutually cooperating EVILS operating against our entire Human Race in order to STYMIE/PREVENT God’s Own Divine and Sovereign Will from being DONE here on this Earth of His Creating and Moment-by-Moment Sustaining, and DESPITE all of the manifold types or sorts of ‘prophecies’ which WE can or might interpret at our destinies, and that our future is ‘sealed’ as if neither GOD or Mankind has the ability to ALTER the “Final Outcome” – nevertheless, it was our All-good GOD and His Divine Son JESUS Who, via the Mother of God as Our Lady of Fatima, INFORMED both our World and the Church that ‘IF’ the Bishop of Rome along with all of the Bishops of the Catholic Church IN SPIRITUAL UNION/UNITY with him performed a public, solemn and worldwide solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to the Mother of God’s Immaculately Loving Heart – that her Divine Son, THE LOGOS INCARNATE, Who Is also CHRIST THE KING of all that is seen and Unseen would grant our ENTIRE WORLD at our Human Race WORLD PEACE!
Is our God ‘INCAPABLE OF CRUSHING’ Satan’s head, the heads of every last elemental demonic spirit and the untold numbers of human beings who have ‘sold their souls’ to Satan who have ALL spiritually conspired together to bring our World our entire Human Race to such a MISERABLY DEPLORABLE STATE-OF-AFFAIRS in our day and age?
Is our God’s ‘Divine Hands TIED’, so to speak, that even GOD HIMSELF has been somehow rendered ‘Divinely IMPOTENT’ as to what SATAN and his legions of elemental demonics and his legions of allied human stooges, dupes and allies have DONE and fully intend ON DOING to our World and our Human Race for which JESUS CHRIST has suffered and died in order to bring about Mankind’s REDEMPTION per the Divine Will and Wishes of HIS OWN DIVINE FATHER?
No, I honestly BELIEVE that God can and will exercise His Divine POWER in order to see to it that SATAN’S head is CRUSHED under the heel of the WOMAN, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Mother of His Only Eternally Begotten Son JESUS and summarily ROUTE all of His Spiritual Enemies, seen or unseen.
And I honestly BELIEVE that once the Bishop or Rome and Bishop of my Catholic Church PUBLICLY and SOLEMNLY honor the WOMAN of Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12:17 before the WHOLE WIDE WORLD via a simple Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to the Blessed Virgin Mary’s Immaculately Loving Heart – then GOD Who has our entire Human Race’s attention via that Consecration so as to show HONOR to this Woman who is God’s NEW EVE to and for all of Mankind, who is God’s NEW SPIRITUAL MOTHER of our entire Human Race, will show our Human Race just ‘Who IS the Lord and Master and Ruler and King’ of THIS WORLD and of all of Creation as well!
Most assuredly, these Satan-Lucifer worshipping JEWS and their CENTRAL BANKS and their bought-and-paid-for JUDAS’s of THE PEOPLES our nations and states throughout our contemporary World believe THEMSELVES to the ‘lords of human history’ and the ‘lords of human destiny’ at this present moment-in-time of our human race’s history.
What can I tell you, my dear Michael Kelley? I just so happen TO BELIEVE with all of my mind, my heart, my soul and my spirit that we, the Human Race for which JESUS CHRIST died in order to bring us His Divine Salvation and His Divine Redemption, have NOT been ‘abandoned by God’ – its the other way around!
Both His Church and His Own Human Race the World over have ABANDONED HIM and His Divine Will FOR US ALL and what He wants DONE here on our Planet Earth in our contemporary sorry-shape World of 2010 Anno Domini.
If we LOSE to Satan, his unseen legions and his seen human conspiratorial cohorts – THAT will be the reason and the cause.
We can still WIN! But the Bishop of Rome and my own Bishops of my own Catholic Church WILL NOT DO what is required for ALL OF US to win vs. Satan’s legions, seen or unseen!
And it is precisely THAT which causes me personally and is the source of this simmering wellspring of ANGER that I have to contend with as my own ‘Thorn In My Side’!
I simply DO NOT LIKE ‘LOSING’ when it is so apparently clear that we have the capacity and ability TO WIN!
– +Fr. Joseph
Being ordained into the Church Militant’s Priesthood does NOT confer God’s Divine Nature on me. I’m getting tired and kinda sorta ‘Fed Up’ with just about everything right now about – so let me make this SHORT and QUICK about this non-sense all about the place of ‘Calling No Man Father’!
Women are called ‘women’ BECAUSE men decided to name and call them ‘women’.
And in Jesus’ Time with us on earth, it was given TO MEN to give the NAME to their own OFFSPRING.
From the Church Militant’s ‘NEW TESTAMENT’ in everyone’s contemporary Bible:
“They said TO HER, ‘But no one in your family has that name, and made signs TO HIS FATHER what HE WANTED him called. The father asked for a writing-tablet and wrote, ‘HIS NAME IS JOHN’. And they were astonished. AT THAT INSTANT his power of speech returned and he spoke and PRAISED GOD.” – The Gospel according to St. Luke, Luke 1:61-64
“The Angel of THE LORD appeared to him in a dream and said, ‘JOSEPH son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because she has conceived what is in her by the Holy Spirit. She will give birth to a son AND YOU MUST NAME HIS JESUS.” – The Gospel according to St. Matthew – Matthew 1:20-21
“They were overcome when they saw Him, and His Mother said to Him, ‘My Child, why have You done this to us? See how worried YOUR FATHER and I have been, looking for You.’ ‘Why were you looking for Me? He replied ‘Did you not know that I must be about My Father’s affairs?’ But they did not understand what He meant.
“He then went down with them and came to Nazareth and LIVED UNDER THEIR AUTHORITY.”
– The Gospel according to St. Luke – Luke 2:48-51
The Blessed Virgin Mary AFFIRMED that St. Joseph WAS Jesus’ legal FATHER in this ‘World’ of time-space-matter-energy. And JESUS submitted Himself to BOTH His Mother and to His legal FATHER and to THEIR paternal and maternal AUTHORITY over Him as a Child.
JESUS Christ did NOT, He expressly DID NOT go around telling everyone in Nazareth, throughout Judea, in Jerusalem, in the Decapolis region that St. Joseph WAS NOT HIS FATHER!
Jesus Christ DID NOT go around telling people ‘DON’T YOU DARE CALL ST. JOSEPH MY FATHER LEST YOU HAVE A PASTOR HAGEE’S CURSE COME CRASHING DOWN UPON YOUR IMMORTAL HEADS!’
It was to St. Joseph that GOD HIMSELF granted His Own DIVINE AUTHORITY to exercise his FATHER’S RIGHT, DUTY and OBLIGATION to give the name to his own legal Son and to have a FATHER’S AUTHORITY over THE LOGOS INCARNATE!
The title ‘FATHER’, whether that be the result of natural biological conception OR as a result of religious ordination CONFERS RESPONSIBILITY on that man, on those MEN, to see to it that those under their CARE are protected, taken care of, provided for.
The Bishop of Rome – a.k.a. the ‘Holy Father’ as he is referred to by us Catholic Christians, has the DUTY and the RESPONSIBILITY to see to the PROTECTION of the entire Church Militant FAMILY OF GOD here in this World of ours, the year now being 2010 Anno Domini.
It is HIS ‘Fatherly Responsibility’ – NOT MINE – to order the Bishops of the Catholic Church to perform a public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to the Mother of God’s Immaculately Loving Heart IN ORDER TO defeat Satan, his legions of elemental demonics and their satanically influenced and directed HUMAN stooges, dupes and allies running amock all across the surface of this God-given God-sustained Planet Earth of ours SO AS TO FULFILL the ‘Biblical Divine Prophecies’ of Genesis 3:15, Luke 10:17-20, John 19:25-28 and Revelation 12:17.
I do NOT control the Central Banks of our World.
I do NOT control the U.S. Federal or State Governments.
I do NOT control the United Nations.
I do NOT control the Catholic Church.
I do NOT control anything at all.
I control “Jack-Diddly-Squat” in this contemporary World of 2010 Anno Domini.
But those who DO control all of the above – well – they had all BETTER get on with DOING what it is that GOD HIMSELF wants DONE here on this Earth of His Creating and His Sustaining. That’s the best possible ‘Priestly Counsel & Advise’ I can possibly offer everyone who has ‘control’ and ‘authority’ and personal ‘responsibility’ in and over all of those organizations and institutions I’ve listed above!
– +Fr. Joseph
Nazareth Hermitage – USA
Another excellent video, Bro Nathanael.
It especially galls me to see how the Jews and their cronies who have control over the government, the think tanks, the media, and the major corporations have done everything possible to put our middle class out of work and give our country away to foreigners.
Strange people who do not share our religion or our culture, and do not respect or admire our heritage, customs, and marvelous history.
It is indeed these devils you have spotlighted and many other traitors among us who have shipped our jobs overseas while importing garbage from our enemies and promoting every kind of filth and degradation. Not to mention harboring the millions of illegals (and giving them sanctuary).
Of course the same demons are behind the dismantling and confusion of our greatest holiday and its joyful season–CHRISTMAS, wherein we celebrate the birth of our beloved Saviour, Jesus Christ.
How I look forward and await His return and His kingdom! King of kings and Lord of Lords!
If there are people who want TO ATTEMPT “to teach” this World’s Central Bankers, this World’s High and Mighty Financiers, this World’s National Governments and those Governmental Leaders such as Presidents, Senators, Congress/Parliament/Duma/Knesset represenatives, Governors, etc. to include EVERY LAST High and Mighty and Prestigious Business College and University throughout our contemporary World and their so-called ‘Learned Professors’ about ECONOMICS and FINANCE and WORLD GOVERNANCE from a Divine Perspective and Point-Of-View, you can ATTEMPT to get them all TO READ these following pages:
http://www.shc.edu/theolibrary/resources/handbook_economic.htm
“Good Luck!”
– +Fr. Joseph
And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
So we are free to disregard this commandment, if we deem ourselves worthy? I don’t know about Mike Phillips, but I have a problem with anybody who flagrantly puts themselves above what is clearly commanded in scripture, as shown in the verse above.
Brother Nathanael produces this website and does the videos among other extremely important works (and incidentally doesn’t parasitize another’s website comment section to push another denomination), even walking on the streets evangelizing to the world.
If anybody has a right to call himself father, it is he. Yet he does not arrogate to call himself “Father”. He humbly goes by “Brother”. Our Father art in heaven. Peter did not call himself Father. Paul did not. John did not. So why are you putting yourself above them and disobeying our Lord?
Why not create and finance your own website and call it “Father Joseph and His Profound Opinions” instead of using someone else’s comment section and bandwidth?
That’s a lot of screed. I read a lot of hatred in the response to Mike Phillip’s comment. The comments concerning the Jews I completely agree with though.
Mr. Mantee,
First off, you need not come and “fight” Mike Phillips’ battles for him. I’m quite certain Mike Phillips CAN put up a much better rejoiner vs. me than you.
If you have a personal problem with either the Catholic Church OR Br. Nathanael’s Orthodox Church conferring the religious title ‘Father’ upon their ordained Priests, well then, that’s YOUR problem – not mine.
If you don’t like the FACT that it was the Catholic Church who gave you ‘The Bible’, then that’s another personal problem of YOURS.
If you don’t like the FACT that it is our Lord and Savior Who gives us His Body and His Blood in His Christian Church’s SACRAMENT of the Holy Eucharist, then again, that’s your problem.
If you don’t like the FACT that there is such thing as SIN and human VICES and unseen demonic elemental spirits known as ‘demons’ or ‘devils’ who affect and influence people’s behavior, conduct and actions in this World of ours, again there is very little I can do for you as that is your problem as well.
If you don’t like the FACT that Jesus’ Own Mother appeared to three shepherd children in Fatima, Portugal back in 1917 A.D., and to Sr. Lucy the Insturction to the Church to perform a public and solemn Collegial Consecration of Russia to her Immaculately Loving Heart in order to obtain for our Human Race WORLD PEACE, that is your problem.
I’m NOT here on +Br. Nathanael’s RZN to either please you or to make your life pleasant.
If you can understand that, then we’ve come to some sort of MUTUAL understanding.
– +Fr. Joseph
Dear Duke –
Please think about bending your mind just a “wee” bit.
When Christ told His disciples “not to call any man their father” did that mean that children were to call those who sired them “Mr so and so?”
Christ also said that we should call no man “master” YET, we do recognize Beethoven, Wagner, Mahler, Da Vinci, Rembrandt, Klee, as “masters” and call them such.
So St Paul must have “broken” Christ’s instruction when he told slaves to “obey their **masters.**”
So with your way of thinking St Paul evidently “broke” Christ’s instruction when he told the Galatians that though they have many teachers they had only one “father” for he went on, “he begot them through the Gospel.”
I think you can grasp what I am saying and come around to this way of thinking if you ponder what I am putting forth which is nothing more than what the Orthodox Church teaches.
+Brother Nathanael
Russian Orthodox Monk
Dear Sal Ty –
Glad you caught it.
Indeed, both Soros and Murdoch are Zionists, Soros being a full Jew and Murdoch being a half Jew from his mother’s side, but in Judaism, he is thus considered a FULL Jew.
Soros pretends not to support Israel BUT he is a major supporter of J Street, which is “soft AIPAC.”
Because of Murdoch’s obsessive hatred of Obama he is willing to break with a fellow tribesman, Soros, and attack him, for by doing so, he attacks Obama’s “money man” and chief Commie enabler.
+BN
Michael Kelley
I have to agree with you totally that the end of anti-christ and all of his legions is preordained. I wonder about a WWIII though. The 19th chapter of the Apocalypse speaks about Jesus returning with the armies of Heaven and destroying the anti-christ and the rest of his legions.
Apocalypse 14 verses 14 through the end are definitely a description of WWI and WWII. I came to this belief after what the Blessed Mother said at Fatima. She said that war was a punishment from God for sin.
Apoc. 14, 14 through 20 speaks about one sitting on a cloud like to the Son of Man having on his head a crown of gold and in his hand a sharp sickle. A second angel told him to thrust in his sickle and reap because the harvest was ripe. This first one sitting on the cloud is an angel because verse 15 says that another angel came out from the temple. Verse 17 says that a third angel came out of the temple also having a sharp sickle.
Then a fourth angel came out having power over fire (firepower?) telling the third angel to do the same thing that the second angel told the first angel to do. The third angel’s gathering of the grapes was bloodier than the first as the press was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the press, up to the horses’ bridles, for a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
If Russia had been consecrated in 1929 when the Virgin Mary had asked for it, there would have been no WWII. In like manner, if the third secret of Fatima had been revealed in 1960, there would have been no Second Vatican Council that dismantled the Catholic Faith. But God must have known that the consecration would not be done as Apc. 14, verses 14 through 20 show and that the third secret would remain a secret as Apoc. 12 verses 1 through 6 indicate.
Mary wanted to give the human race an opportunity to avoid WWII and the Second Vatican Council but the Catholic hierarchy disregarded her request. I believe that the Catholic Church had already been compromised by the Jews and their Masonic fellow travellers.
I do not believe that there will be a full blown WWIII though. I believe that the Battle of Armagedon, of which Armagedon is described in the Douay Rheims Catholic Bible as the “hill of robbers”, is the terrible financial war that is now going on in this world.
The populations of this world are being treated like dirt by the corporatecracy of this world. A friend of mine just tonight described what the company that she is working for is doing to their employees.
Another company in this area requires their employees to work seven days a week. And if they miss any, it is counted against them. This sort of thing is happening all around the world.
The economy exists to provide the human race with the necessities that their physical-biological bodies require in order for those bodies to function and survive.
International corporations with Jews and masons at their heads giving the orders view the economy as existing for the accumulation of their personal wealth and agandizement. They HAVE to be atheist in order to look at things this way.
This is why I say that the medium of exchange, which money is, is what is being spoken of as Babylon in the Apocalypse. Babylon is called a mystery because absolutely no one would possibly believe that money will be no more.
That is why Babylon can say that she sits a queen and a widow she will never be. That is the reason that Jesus called merchants and money changers thieves when he threw them out of the temple. It is also the reason that Zacharias said that merchants would be no more in the house of the Lord in that day (Zacharias 14:21).
Dear Duke and Glory B and others in Christ,
Kindly read this Orthodox webpage concerning “Call no man your father…”
Context is everything when it comes to reading Scripture. And John Calvin is spot on with his commentary about this very thing.
Excerpt:
This tradition of spiritual fatherhood was part of the lifeblood of the early Church [and the Eastern Orthodox Church now]. Paul’s understanding of himself as the father of the Church of Corinth, though, raises a very old controversy within the Christian world.
Many Christian denominations have since at least the Protestant Reformation rejected the title of “father” for spiritual elders, despite the clear fact that St. Paul and other great early leaders of the Church thought of themselves as exactly this.
This controversy springs from the way some Christians have interpreted Our Lord’s words in Matthew 23:9, “Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.”
It’s important to remember that the apostle Paul seems to not believe this was Christ’s intent. In addition to the Epistle passage above, there are several other passages from Scripture in which Paul refers to the idea of spiritual fatherhood.
In fact, even one of the earliest leaders of the Protestant Reformation – John Calvin himself – believed that Paul was correct to refer to himself as “father”. Calvin wrote [in his commentary on 1 Timothy]:
“While Paul claims for himself the appellation of father, he does it in such a manner as not to take away or diminish the smallest portion of the honor which is due to God. … God alone is the Father of all in faith … But they whom he is graciously pleased to employ as his ministers for that purpose, are likewise allowed to share with him in his honor, while, at the same time, He parts with nothing that belongs to himself.”
Now, let’s also remember that in Matthew 23, Christ also says “do not be called teacher”. Yet, elsewhere in the Gospels, Our Lord himself uses this title for others, such as Nicodemus.
In this “call no man father” passage, Our Lord is making a particular point for a very particular audience.
***He is contrasting His own living truth with the teachings of the “scribes and Pharisees” who were convinced that only they understood God’s Law and were fit to interpret it. Christ is accusing the rabbis opposed to him of deliberately twisting God’s Word to suit their own desires. Christ stood in opposition to those who seek to elevate themselves and place themselves before God.***
Our Lord wants true teachers. He wants true spiritual fathers who can take on the mantle of spiritual leadership. But He only wants teachers and fathers who understand that they themselves are not the source of the Tradition which they are passing on, but are instead conduits for the Tradition of God….”
http://www.antiochian.org/node/19193
Fr. Joseph,
” Chances are good that I’m a ‘wee bit OLDER’ than you.”
That could very well be the case. I’m 67. How about you?
I consider this anything but a trivial issue. In fact, I think it’s far more important than what does or does not happen with today’s so called Jews. In not too many years they will all have to face the judgment seat of Jesus Christ who vowed that “Vengeance is mine.”
They will be taken care of. The problem is that you and I also have to face that judgment seat as Christians under the special burden of, “To whom much is given, much is required.”
Jesus made a statement that ought to make the hair on your neck stand up when you examine its implications. For your sake I’m using the Douay-Rheims version. I hope that is acceptable to you. They all really say the same thing.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.
Mat 7:24 Every one therefore that heareth these my words, and doth them, shall be likened to a wise man that built his house upon a rock,
Do you get this? Many, that is the vast majority of people who call themselves Christians, will be baffled to find themselves cast out of heaven despite all they did “for Christ” in their lifetime.
Jesus calls what they did “iniquity.” And what is iniquity? The next verses tell us. It is hearing the words of Jesus and NOT doing them.
The Apostle Paul spoke of the simplicity in Christ. How much easier could it get? Just find out what Jesus said and do it. It’s right in the Bible and no interpretation is required.
Considering the consequences, it would seem prudent for us all to examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith. Are we doing what Jesus said to do or what some man said was OK.
Now to the main point. I appreciate your effort to respond to the question Biblically, but, my gosh, did you just grab a concordance and randomly pick a few verses that had the word “father” in them?
None of the verses you noted bear on the subject at all. Most pertain to how parents should treat their biological children. The rest were analogies such as Timothy was like a son to me and I like a father.
When Jesus said to call no man father, He certainly didn’t mean that the entire word was banished and that I couldn’t call my own father, father, or that my children could not call me father. Let’s look at what Jesus actually said in context.
Mat 23:8 But be not you called Rabbi. For one is your master: and all you are brethren.
Mat 23:9 And call none your father upon earth; for one is your father, who is in heaven.
Mat 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your master, Christ.
Jesus was talking about his church and what he was forbidding here was a hierarchy that went anything beyond each man, then Jesus the mediator between God and man, and then God.
There were to be no men between any believer and Jesus. He is the ONLY head and we are merely brethren. Jesus was careful here to specify just about every title of religious hierarchy.
New Age and eastern religions have their “masters” or ascended masters.” The Jews have their “Rabbis” and sadly, most who call themselves Christians have their “Fathers” in direct contradiction to the words of Christ.
Jesus knew what He was doing. These hierarchies of men are nothing but trouble starting with the Rabbis. God had a simple straightforward unambiguous command, “Thou shalt not steal.”
That didn’t satisfy the Jews who went to their human Rabbis for an “interpretation.” What they came up with was that it was forbidden to steal from other Jews, but OK to steal from gentiles.
That’s what Jesus was talking about when he said their “traditions” made void the law of God. Of course, now all these “traditions” are written down and comprise the Babylonian Talmud, as filthy a book as you will find.
The Roman Catholics, a few centuries ago, following the lead of their “Holy Fathers” somehow decided it was perfectly acceptable to burn people alive at the stake who didn’t agree with their views, or worse, used the Bible to point out their errors.
An entire vast human hierarchy went along with this. By the way, this was long before Vatican II, which is when some think the Catholic church went bad. They went bad almost at the very beginning when they set up hierarchies contrary to the word of Jesus Christ.
What we need to do as Christians is be like the Bereans. They listened politely to the Apostle Paul as he preached, but they didn’t just accept his word. They went to the scriptures and only when they found that what Paul said agreed with the scriptures did they convert.
Paul may have brought the gospel to them and metaphorically have been a father to their faith, but they did not consider him a “Father” to whom was owed unquestioned allegiance. The scripture was their base and it is ours too.
Although I can readily understand the frustration, it appalls me when I see people on this site who call themselves Christians advocating a military coup to overthrow the government. The New Testament from one end to the other goes against this.
As Christians we are supposed to be pilgrims in this world, just passing through and not concerned with what happens here except that we preach the Gospel and save as many souls out of this evil world as possible.
Jesus himself said,
Joh 18:36 Jesus answered: My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would certainly strive that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now my kingdom is not from hence.
Jesus didn’t fight the Jews and He never commanded us to do so either. The kingdoms of this world belong to Satan.
Luk 4:5 And the devil led him into a high mountain and shewed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
Luk 4:6 And he said to him: To thee will I give all this power and the glory of them. For to me they are delivered: and to whom I will, I give them.
Luk 4:7 If thou therefore wilt adore before me, all shall be thine.
If you want a military coup to succeed so that you can have a kingdom in this world, you must worship Satan the way he wants to be worshipped.
Since he seems to have chosen the Jews for this purpose, that probably won’t work and since God doesn’t want you fighting for kingdoms in this world, He won’t help you either.
Brother Nathanael said that I am a “Starry-eyed romanticist” for believing in the Bible over the works of man. Here’s what the Apostle Paul had to say about this. I am quite comfortable standing with him even though the world considers me foolish.
1Co 1:18 For the word of the cross, to them indeed that perish, is foolishness: but to them that are saved, that is, to us, it is the power of God.
1Co 1:19 For it is written: I will destroy the wisdom of the wise: and the prudence of the prudent I will reject.
Christianity is SO simple. Just read the commands of Jesus Christ and follow them. Why is it so few people can do that?
Mike Phillips
Mr. Mantee,
You and Mike Phillips get yourselves all “hot under the collar” with YOUR personal interpretations placed INTO the Words of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as recorded in the Gospel of St. Matthew, Matthew 23:8-10:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2023:8-10&version=NCV
Now our same LORD is recorded saying ‘This IS My Body’ and ‘This IS My Blood’ in the Gospels of Sts. Matthew, Mark and Luke as both you and Mr. Phillips can readily READ for yourselves (and for your particular ‘pastors’ of whatever sect, cult or denomination to give your allegiance to)
Matthew 26:26-28
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2026:26-28&version=NCV
Mark 14:22-25
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=mark%2014:22-25&version=NCV
Luke 22:19-20
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke%2022:19-20&version=NCV
And it is our LORD Who Himself goes to great lenghts in His attempts to EXPLAIN Himself and His Words to His VERY JEWISH audience regarding ‘Eating His Body’ and ‘Drinking His Blood’ in the Gospel account according to St. John.
John 6:28-71
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%206:28-71&version=NCV
And the Lord’s Own Apostle, St. Paul, makes is PERFECTLY CLEAR in his epistle to the Church Militant in Corinth that what the LORD Himself said, He LITERALLY meant – that we are TO EAT His Body and TO DRINK His Blood.
1 Corinthians 11:23-32
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20corinthians%2011:23-32&version=NCV
And THE LORD goes so far out of His Way TO SHOW everyone throughout our entire World that the Bread and the Wine offered up by any ordained PRIEST of His Church Militant here on earth is really and truly HIS Actual Physical Body and HIS Actual Physical Blood in the many Eucharistic Miracles He has caused to happen in HIS CHURCH MILITANT here on earth. One such Eucharistic Miracle, the Miracle of Lanciano:
http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html
Now it just so happens that ordained Priests of His Church Militant here on earth are given the religious title of ‘FATHER’ – and that UPSETS both you and Mr. Phillips to the personal point that neither one of you approach our Eucharistic Lord offered to the TWO OF YOU by the Priests who are called ‘FATHER’ in either the Catholic or Orthodox Church.
Now THE LORD Himself says and THE LORD Himself shows the both of you that He really and truly DOES give us His Body and His Blood TO EAT so that we might have ETERNAL LIFE – His Body and His Blood ARE God’s Own ‘NEW COVENANT’ with all of Mankind.
Now both of you got a SERIOUS PERSONAL CHOICE to make…either you BELIEVE what is written/recorded in ‘The Bible’ at Matthew 26:26-28, Mark 14:22-25, Luke 22:19-20, John 6:28-71, Acts 2:42, 1 Corinthians 11:23-32 and you GO TO an ordained Priest in either the Catholic OR Orthodox Church in order TO RECEIVE the Body and Blood of JESUS CHRIST in the Holy Eucharist SO THAT you will have granted to you ETERNAL LIFE…
…or…
the two of you get all ‘HUFFY’ and ‘PUFFY’ with me, +Fr. Joseph, and this silly non-sensical TEACHING that you’ve swallowed ‘hook, line and sinker’ via your Bible-butchering pastors, preachers or teachers about ‘Calling No Man Your Father’ and you DEPRIVE YOURSELVES and YOUR FAMILIES of the Honest-To-Goodness Body and Blood of Our Lord and Savior JESUS CHRIST Who gives people the World over HIS BODY and HIS BLOOD to eat as His NEW Divine Covenant with/to/for ALL OF MANKIND so as to obtain, reserve and secure their Eternal Life WITH HIM in His Heavenly Kingdom.
The choice is YOURS! Kinda ‘neat’ while kinda ‘scary’ NO? having to make a personal DECISION that will affect YOU YOURSELVES and your own family members with the God-given FREE WILL of yours.
Yessiree bob – having a God-given FREE WILL entails having PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY to yourself and to your loved ones.
Now if the two of you came to ME and really and truly desired to receive THE LORD in His New Covenant Christian Sacrament of THE EUCHARIST – and I found out that the two of you were properly BAPTIZED in the +Name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit –
And you CONFESSED that you were really and truly SORROW for your actions and attitudes towards the Lord’s Divine Things of His Church Militant here on earth – and you did the Penance I’d proscribe for the two of you TO DO – I’d give you BOTH His Body and His Blood in the Christian Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist without so much as a fleeting thought as to your personal AGITATING and CHALLENGING me here on +Br. Nathanael’s RZN website’s commentary section.
Now then, the MASS OF CHRIST is going to be offered up by the PRIESTS of the Catholic Church this coming CHRISTMAS, December 25, 2010.
The TWO OF YOU have a BIG CHOICE to make.
Either you present yourselves to ‘+Fr. So-and-So’ at your local Catholic parish in order to partake in the Body and Blood of our Risen Lord and Savior JESUS CHRIST as that Parish PRIEST gives you both HOLY COMMUNION with the LORD via His Body and His Blood…
Or your deliberately deprive yourselves and distance yoruselves from the Lord’s Own NEW COVENANT with all of Mankind which IS His Body and His Blood confected upon His Church Militant’s ALTARS via the words of consecration prayed by FATHER ‘So-and-So’ within either the Catholic OR Orthodox Church.
I’m NOT here to play ‘poochie-woochie’ with either of you here on RZN. I’m telling the both of you STRAIGHT-UP FACTS.
GOD Himself DECIDES and DECREES what constitutes His Own NEW COVENANT with all of Mankind – and NOT some tithe-seeking and tithe-sucking pastor, preacher or teacher with his/her/their own deliberate MISinterpreations of the Catholic Churches own Canon of Sacred CHRISTIAN Scripture as they get you into believing such STUPID things like
1) The Bishop of Rome is the Anti-christ
2) The Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon, and
3) That you are expressly prohibited from calling any man, to include ortained Priests, by the title ‘Father’!
“O Luther, Luther! How great is your responsibility!” – Soreen Kierkegaard, Danish theologian – 1800s.
– +Fr. Joseph
Mr. Phillips,
Being 67 yourself make you 12 years OLDER than myself. Nevertheless, 1 Timothy 4:12-16 applies:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20timothy%204:12-16&version=NCV
For your information…’Where We Got The Bible’:
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/protestantism/wbible.htm
As a ‘Bible-Alone’ professing Christian, you publicly and expressly assert that the ‘Christian Faith’ didn’t really get started “in earnest” UNTIL Guttenberg invented the printing press and began mass printing of ‘The Bible’.
That implies you have NO USE FOR the Church Fathers and their writings, lectures, explanations, etc.
Some of the Fathers of the Church’s writings for your reading here:
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/
The Christian Church’s APOSTOLIC Tradition, hence, is totally IRRELEVENT and FRIVILOUS and utterly USELESS to you from the time of the Lord’s Apostles up to Guttenberg’s invention of the printing press – and can be so readily discarded by YOU and those of your particular congregation, sect, cult or denomination.
It matters not to YOU or to those of your particular congregation that there are over 27,000 different and vying-with-each-other ‘Bible Based’ denominations throughout our World as the SOLE ‘UNIFYING’ principle between and amongst YOUR congregation and all of the others is this;
That the CATHOLIC CHURCH is wrong, DEAD WRONG, about just about everything it preaches and teachs with regards to Christ Jesus’ Own Divine Teachings, Instructions and Revelation.
NOT UNTIL you and your ‘Bible-Alone’ pastor and associated congregation members PERMIT for some fleeting moment that it is YOU who are WRONG, DEAD WRONG, about so many things with respect to the Lord’s Apostolic Faith, that I will obtain some PEACE from you, from Mr. Mantee and so many others who come here to RZN to ‘Duke It Out’ with yours truly, +Fr. Joseph.
You and Mr. Mantee make this BIG PUBLIC SHOW before the whole wide World about ordained Priests being addressed with the title of ‘Father’ –
Yet you and the other 27,000 Bible-Alone and Bible-Based congregations, sects, cults and denominations throughout our World have NOTHING TO SAY AT ALL about a ‘Fellow Bible-Alone Pastor-Preacher’ who INSISTS that it is NECESSARY to initiation a THERMONUCLEAR THIRD WORLD WAR in the Middle East SO THAT all of you ‘Bible-believing christians’ will get RAPTURED UP into Heaven!
As Sacred Scripture has the Lord saying:
“You strain away at GNATS yet go ahead and swallow CAMELS!”
You and Mr. Mantee apparently DON’T like my particular writing/composing/posting STYLE here on +Br. Nathanael’s RZN commentary sections.
Well, what can I say but ‘That’s Too Bad’ – for I have a DUTY and a RESPONSIBILITY to my Lord, His Divine Father, Their Holy Spirit, the Mother of God, to St. Michael the Archangel, to the Angels and Saints of Heaven, to my Catholic Church, to my Bishops, to my fellow Priests, Religious, Deacons and members of the Lay Faithful throughout our contemporary very threatened and very DANGEROUS World of 2010 Anno Domini.
Christianity ISN’T a ‘Simple Thing’.
“They have changed Christianity into TOO MUCH of a CONSOLATION and have forgotten that it places A DEMAND upon people.”
– Soreen Kierkegaard – Danish theologian’s comment AFTER his in-depth study of the ‘Bible Alone, Faith Alone’ Protestant Reformation.
Believe me, THIS “Biblical DEMAND” isn’t at all EASY nor SIMPLE for us ordained PRIESTS who have the religious title of ‘Father’:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20timothy%204:1-5&version=NCV
Just HANG AROUND here for a couple of more DAYS and just WATCH what else I have to confront, what else I have to endure, what else I have to respond to as one “+Fr. Joseph”.
– +Fr. Joseph
“Come now, let us REASON together’ says YHWH” – Prophet Isaiah – Isaiah 1:18
Com’on now, can we simply TRUTHFULLY ADMIT what is right in front our collective SIX BILLION pairs of human eyes – that our World is one heck of a ROYALLY FOULED UP AND SCREWED UP PLACE.
Once we get around to doing THAT, then we can openly and honestly admit to one other the UNIVERSAL REALITY that there is NO WORLD PEACE anywheres here on this God-given and God-sustained Planet Earth of His Creating.
“The more OBVIOUS something is, the more likely it will be OVERLOOKED.” – my own personal trite religious-spiritual saying as a professed religious novice of the Order of Carmelites.
Now com’on now – let us REASON together, shall we??? Let us REASON together about this issue of 27,000 vying and mutually differing ‘Bible Alone’ sects, cults and denominations throughout our World.
There surely MUST BE at least 27,000 different and totally distinct UNIVERSITIES and COLLEGES throughout our contemporary World.
Now simply imagine that each individually recognized University or College throughout our contemporary World decided to teach their students their own PARTICULAR-UNIQUELY desired answer to the mathemeical question:
“What is the Square Root of 144?”
The University of Berlin desires to proclaim that answer to be 69 while the Cambridge University desires that answer to be 44.
The University of Pittsburg rejects both those answers in order to promote THEIR much desired answer of 23, while the University of Tokyo perfers its own unique answer of 15.
The Colleges of Brazil demand that the answer should be 20.5 while the Universities all across Africa insist that the answer ought to be 17!
And on and on it goes. Each self established, self-maintaining, self-asserting COLLEGE and UNIVERSITY throughout every last nation-state of our contemporary World PREFER their own much desired answer to the question ‘What is the Square Root of 144?’
What would be the RESULTING EFFECT for the lives of the six billion human inhabitants of our contemporary World IF there were 27,000 totally unique and individually asserting and individually sovereign-onto-themselves Universities and Colleges ALL teaching and promoting their own personally DESIRED answer to the question ‘What is the Square Root of 144?’
In ‘The Bible’, there is this particular passage written by St. Paul the Apostle under the Divine Inspiration of God the Holy Spirit:
Ephesians 4:4-6
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=ephesians%204:4-6&version=NIV
So there you go, folks. You now have the ability to UNDERSTAND why our contemporary World is so ROYALLY FOULED UP despite the BIBLE-BASED FACT that St. Paul asserts with Apostolic Authority that there is but ONE FAITH;
While there are 27,000 ‘Bible Alone Based’ cults, sects and denomination throughout our contemporary World all asserting THEIR OWN particularly desired ‘spin’ on God’s Own Divine Revelation to all of Mankind.
Now the next question people who might exercise their faculty of REASON can only be something like:
‘Well then, which of the 27,000 vying Bible-based and Bible-alone cults, sects and denominations will be THE FIRST to publicly tell the people of our contemporary World that they are/were WRONG???’
Holding one’s breath while awaiting THE FIRST to publicly make that declaration is NOT CONDUCIVE to keeping one’s current health or life in good keeping!
– +Fr. Joseph
Dear Fr. Joseph,
How I do sympathize with your feelings of anger and frustration at the hierarchy of Rome for falling away from their mission! You must understand that I, myself, have struggled with all of those exact feelings.
They come from all kinds of sources: knowing war can be averted and then seeing it take place anyhow; knowing energy can be produced cleanly and efficiently and then seeing another massive oil spill; knowing most disease and infection can be cured with the gifts God has already given us and then seeing my friends die for lack of knowledge; knowing the message of Christ can be understood plainly and consistently and yet seeing it twisted and turned every which way…
The list goes on and on. And, as you correctly pointed out already, the defect is not in the creation nor is it in the genes of certain people, nor is it in the revelation given to man from heaven, for God has made these things to be good and adequate for all our needs. We have the means at our disposal to avert the next catastrophe, and all of them, to be sure. So why don’t men do the right thing?
Sin.
And what is the price of sin? Death.
It seems clear that, in accordance with Scripture, sin came into the world through Adam and Eve. And like an egg, you can’t un-break it once you drop it. The Greek fable of Pandora’s Box is a pagan analogy for the same fundamental principle.
The egg is already broken, because enough men will always succumb to sin to ensure the destruction of all life on earth. And now we have the literal means at our disposal to rationally predict that this is as real as the dawn of the coming day. Now we possess weapons of mass destruction, and there will always be enough bad apples to see that they get used.
Contrast that understanding with the Judaic and Masonic concept that the world is evolving and perfectable, if only through the leadership of one called “messiah”. This couldn’t be more contrary to what the holy tradition teaches us. Yet, since it represents a seemingly attainable hope it seduces the majority of hearts and minds.
I can’t imagine a more important thing to understand in the days ahead. This is the “strong delusion” spoken of by St. Paul in Second Thessalonians Chapter Two. Your own hopes will be used against you! The Man of Perdition will appeal to the fleshy side of man, in a ‘spiritual’ way. And with his glamor he will deceive so many!
I believe true wisdom is in one who can fight the good fight with no hope whatsoever of actually winning. For is it not said that, in losing his life shall a man be saved and in saving his life he shall perish?
Peace in Christ.
Dear DWC:
The above comment was for you to think about, as well. Let us regard as mysteries, those aspects of the faith which are hard to understand, and yet unalterable and at the core of everything.
You have clearly categorized Christ’s passion, death and resurrection as one such mystery. But I would suggest to you that the Church has long regarded Eden, original sin, the End and the judgment as co-equal and intrinsic.
What I have found is that the mystery of Christ’s suffering is so interwoven with both the fall of man and the destruction of the world at the End, that if you contemplate it long enough, you will eventually come to need to know about the beginning and the end in order to explain the middle.
I think of this as “theological calculus”, to coin a phrase. Because in calculus, when you have to graphically map a complex polynomial equation, so that you can look at a shape instead of a string of algebra symbols, you begin by testing its behavior as it moves toward the extremes of infinity or zero. Once you plug in those extreme numbers and solve for them, you have your first look at the true shape of the thing.
That’s why I spend more effort of Genesis and Revelation: it gives me the increased perception of what context the middle of the story exists in. Now we have the seemingly senseless death of an innocent and perfect being being seen in the context of the seemingly senseless sin of eating from the Tree of Knowledge; and the seemingly senseless sins of the multitudes in the End who follow the beast with a copy of the Gospels in one hand.
I wish you a Merry Christmas.
Dear Michael Kelley,
THANK YOU for granting me the comfort and
consolation that somebody ELSE in this whole wide World of ours UNDERSTANDS the crux, the core, of our Human Race’s problem.
Sin, coupled with the ‘Mega-Sin’ of our Church’s Eccleciastical Hierarchy’s FAILURE to appeal to God the Holy Spirit, via the WOMAN of Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12:17’s personal Intercession, to RESTORE DIVINE ORDER to this entire World currently constructed and operating upon and all across this Planet Earth of God’s Own Creating and Sustaining.
But the failure of our Church’s Ecclesiastical Hierarchy to INVOKE the Intercession of the WOMAN of Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12:17 is not entirely the fault of our ‘good’ Bishops. Decades before you or I were born, Satan had already formulated his demonic plans to INFILTRATE his human agents, dupes, stooges and allies into and throughout our Church’s Clergy and Ecclesiastical Hierarchy.
It is NO ‘Big Secret’ that we have SATANISTS and MASONS and CRYPTO-JEWS placed in and throughout the Ecclesiatical Hierarchial structure of the Church – and that Satanism is PRACTICED right there in the Vatican!
Pope John Paul 1 was murdered by these Satanic agents within our Church when he attempted to RID the Vatican of the many MASONS holed up there dressed in Ecclesiastical garb.
And unless the Bishop of Rome along with the Bishops in spiritual union/unity with him throughout our contemporary World DO what God Himself DESIRES done – the public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA per the Mother of God’s Fatima Instructions, we WILL have to endure that very much desired by Satan and his demonic legions of Hell global thermonuclear Third World War.
It’s all so very simple to grasp and to understand.
My thoughts turn to all of the LITTLE CHILDREN throughout our contemporary World and I think about the type of World they are entering and that they will inherit from the current crop of ‘Grand Pooh Bahs’ both of the nations-states of our World as well as in and throughout our Ecclesiastical Hierarchy – these WOLVES clothing themselves all in ‘respectable SHEEPS clothing’, and ALL OF THEM going off in public with their particular ‘Dog and Pony Shows’.
No, this contemporary World CANNOT change for the better – and can only get worse, MUCH WORSE.
Our human race’s GLOBAL SOLUTION-REMEDY is one that only Almighty God Himself can provide for all of us – a ‘SECOND PENTECOST’ – a mighty Outpouring of the Gifts and Graces of God the Holy Spirit, summarily CRUSHING Satan’s head and dispelling and destroying all of this Kabbalah-Zohar Satanic-Occult conjured up esoteric GNOSIS which has become our World’s “Resident Evil” in the minds and hearts, souls and spirit of just SO MANY PEOPLE nowadays!
The current successors to the Apostles simply MUST take the WOMAN of Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12:17 WITH THEM up into their ‘Upper Rooms’ which are their own particular Diocesean Cathedrals and, in union with the Bishop of Rome, HUMBLY APPEAL to that Woman’s Divine Son, the LOGOS INCARNATE, for the Great Gifts and Graces of God the Holy Spirit Who Himself hovered over the primodial chaos of no-thing-ness and brought forth God’s Divine Creation and God’s Divine All-good and All-holy and All-loving ORDER into Being and Existance.
If people the World over WANT TO put an end to all of this CHAOS, all of this DISORDER, all of this pointless NO-THING-NESS which their lives and lifetimes have become, they have but ONE LAST HOPE – appealing to the WOMAN of Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12:17’s personal Intercession with God Himself.
“For THE LORD…UPHOLDS the rights of a Mother over her sons.” – Ecclesiasticus 3:2
“Seeing His Mother and the disciple He loved standing near her, JESUS said to His Mother, ‘WOMAN (cf Genesis 3:15/Rev. 12:17), this is YOUR son.’ Then to the disciple He said, ‘This is YOUR Mother’. AFTER THIS, Jesus knew that EVERYTHING had not been completed.” – John 19:25-28
And THAT is what Jesus Christ MEANT when He said
‘IT IS FINISHED!’
– +Fr. Joseph
Another informative video by Brother Nathanael!
Thank you.
“Voting is the trademark of Democracy, right? So, what is Democracy? I’ll tell you.
Democracy is what we could call Jewish rules of conduct. Last month I wrote something called Jewish Rule. It was a warning of the horrors involved in allowing Jews to rule a society, as they ruled Russia after 1917, all of East Europe after 1945 and Palestine since 1948. By Jewish Rule I referred to Communism and Zionism.
Democracy, however, is a transition stage from liberty to Communism in which Jews make the rules of society by controlling the currency and credit and virtually all media of communication, thereby keeping public criticism within bounds acceptable to Jewish censors, and they censor everything.
Practically every special interest group in America has a Jew in it who tries to control the group’s actions and policies. No group is exempt, not even the Toy Train Collectors’ Association, for example, or the Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association or your homeowners’ association.
Certainly no group devoted to anything remotely connected with politics does not have a Jew in it who gravitates to a position of power very quickly and makes his or her position even more powerful.
Nowadays, all these Jews are Zionists who demand support for Israel, or prohibit criticism of Israel.
Israel is called “the only democracy in the Middle East.” This is true, because “democracy” now means Rule by Jews, or at least Jewish rules of conduct. It doesn’t mean majority rule, it means minority rule.
Our craven politicians vie for the crucial “Jewish vote,” even though it represents only 2% of the population.
Notice that in Israel, the Semitic majority does not have a political voice at voting time. The Semitic majority doesn’t get to vote in that democracy. They can’t even vote in their own Palestinian elections the way they want, as we see in the case of Hamas being voted into power by a landslide in the little sliver of land that is still called Palestine.
Israel simply nullified the election and started arresting and murdering the newly-elected representatives. Now, that is pure Democracy!”
“Have you heard talk radio lately, since the invasion of Lebanon by Israel? It is like something out of a William Pierce novel. All the hosts I’ve heard in the past month, Jew and Gentile alike, are united in their snarling support of Israel’s “right to defend itself.”
They are also united in their desire that Syria and Iran be attacked with nuclear weapons. In other words, they are all war criminals. We hanged a man at Nuremberg named Julius Streicher because he had a tabloid in the early days of the NS period that was critical of Jews.
He was no more a part of the Hitler government that Sean Hannity is of the Bush government, but he was hanged in the most sadistic fashion by a Jewish hangman.
It is something that I have warned Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh about, because they have exhorted Americans and the American government to wage aggressive war against the enemies of Israel on behalf of Israel and as such they are subject to arrest, prosecution and hanging as war criminals.
They’ve done far worse than Julius Streicher ever did. All Streicher did was tell the truth about Jews, and print political caricatures of them.
Hannity, Doyle, Coulter, Limbaugh, the Savage Wiener, O’Reilly and the rest are paid liars who owe their stinking careers to the Zionists at Fox, Clear Channel and the Anti-Defamation League.
Their favorite new buzz-word is “Islamo-fascist,” which Bush copped from the Savage Wiener. Now, “fascist” is a real word with an actual definition. But that’s not how Jews and their useful idiots use it.”
—-J B Campbell
When is the military take over of America happening?
I have begun arrangements for another try at regaining my law license in Ohio.
It was suspended because of false allegations of ethics violations by a non-client, and I was declred mentally ill.
I am probably politically “hot,” and I am searching for a FORENSIC PSYCHIATRIST in the Columbus. Ohio area to give me yet another psychiatric exam and who is honest.
Please see three other exams finding me NOT INSANE at my blog.
sumericumen.wordpress.com
Sincerely yours in Jesus and Mary,
Iduna Depweg Borger, Ohio Supreme Court #0030318.
Dear friends,
Lets not forget that this is really a spiritual battle, and that everyone must find as much time as possible to sincerely pray that the criminal Jewish network deteriorates and abandones ship before they can attempt any more grand crimes.
The criminal Jewish network cannot touch Br. Nathanael, but the Antichrist, Lucifer in the flesh, will soon come in a time of FALSE PEACE to confront Br. Nathanael any any men like him, which are very, very few, and Br. Nathanael needs an ARMY of prayerful men and angels.
The most important issue is to pray for Br. Nathanael, for the Real Power to stop Lucifer’s attacks is through a massive and unified prayers.
Lucifer will introduce a false recovery, peace, and will ADD to the Bible and will fool people into believing in intercessors that are not part of the Holy Family and are not angels, but entities that were kicked out of heaven or realted to entities kicked out of heaven, fallen angels/terrestrial beings, who were all kicked out of heaven with their accursed leader Satan.
Mike Kelly:
I have done some differential calculus in my time in college also, rise over run.
Derivative of a function, chain rule, shapes being graphed as you stated, all this complex thought, and people still DOUBT a Divine Creator?
I can understand your point of view, but I see prophecy almost as a weather forecast.
Complex computers do millions of computations per second to come up with “models.” All the models point to a foot of snow, then you wake up to a 50 degree sunny day?
One can’t attempt to say they know God’s divine plan to it’s utmost? Even Jesus stated, “only the Father knows the exact time of the end of time.”
What you can do is look at the words that God inspired to his prophets, to teach you how to live, NOT TO KNOW HIS DIVINE PLAN?
Even at sightings of many holy figures: Angels, Saints, Mother Mary, Our Lord, there is always a warning that “YOU MAY STILL CHANGE THE PATH YOU’RE ON, IF NOT, THEN THE END WILL SURELY COME.”
THERE WOULD BE NO “IF” THEN “ELSE” logic here, if biblical prophecy was static and unchangeable?
DWC
Father Joseph,
Regarding all of these different Christian sects.
The separation of so many Christians from the Catholic faith into so many different sects has benefitted only one and that is the devil himself.
I firmly believe that he was completely responsible for this because it put so many Christian peoples at variance with each other.
Why couldn’t people like Martin Luther just have thought about it and realized that this division he was creating would cause such disasters?
Everyone who reads the bible will come up with a different idea of what it is saying regarding technical things such as the, “call no man father” above.
What all of these different protestors should have done is practiced humility and let the Lord God sort it all out upon his return.
They should have accepted what the Fathers and Doctors of the Church had said, as long as it did not hurt morals or basic Christian beliefs, and let it go at that. All that these different sects have done is tear Christianity apart.
United we stand, divided we fall.
This is why the Jews and Masons worked so hard to get us divided.
“The basic premise of the protocols is that the end justifies the means. Here is a one page summary…
Goyim are mentally inferior to Jews and can’t run their nations properly. For their sake and ours, we need to abolish their governments and replace them with a single government. This will take a long time and involve much bloodshed, but it’s for a good cause. Here’s what we’ll need to do:
Place our agents and helpers everywhere
Take control of the media and use it in propaganda for our plans
Start fights between different races, classes and religions
Use bribery, threats and blackmail to get our way
Use Freemasonic Lodges to attract potential public officials
Appeal to successful people’s egos
Appoint puppet leaders who can be controlled by blackmail
Replace royal rule with socialist rule, then communism, then despotism
Abolish all rights and freedoms, except the right of force by us
Sacrifice people (including Jews sometimes) when necessary
Eliminate religion; replace it with science and materialism
Control the education system to spread deception and destroy intellect
Rewrite history to our benefit
Create entertaining distractions
Corrupt minds with filth and perversion
Encourage people to spy on one another
Keep the masses in poverty and perpetual labor
Take possession of all wealth, property and (especially) gold
Use gold to manipulate the markets, cause depressions etc.
Introduce a progressive tax on wealth
Replace sound investment with speculation
Make long-term interest-bearing loans to governments
Give bad advice to governments and everyone else
Eventually the Goyim will be so angry with their governments (because we’ll blame them for the resulting mess) that they’ll gladly have us take over. We will then appoint a descendant of David to be King of the World, and the remaining Goyim will bow down and sing his praises. Everyone will live in peace and obedient order under his glorious rule.”
Read ‘The Protocols’ here:
http://republicbroadcasting.org/Protocols.of.Zion/
Dear Donna,
We live in an age DEVOID of any real, true, substantial ‘Critical Thinking’.
Yet, it is our All-good, All-loving and All-sovereign GOD Who “Proudly” and “Gloriously” created us members of the Human Race in His Own Divine Image and Likeness.
And with these God-given MINDS of ours coupled with these HEARTS of ours which are meant for ALL OF US to ‘Passionately LOVE’ what is True (and it is God Himself Who IS the Source of ALL that is True, Real, with Substance and Reality since HE ALONE is the Creator of all that is seen and Unseen);
Our “Proud-of-us Divine Father in Heaven” EXPECTS and LONGS FOR all of us TO USE these God-given minds and hearts in order to THINK CRITICALLY – to THINK CRITICALLY about our own lives, our own human natures, this ‘All’ in which we all move, live and have our being and to FOCUS our thoughts, our attentiveness and the inner dispositions and emotions of our HEARTS towards and ONTO Him.
“You MUST love the Lord your God will ALL YOUR HEART, with all your SOUL, and with ALL YOUR MIND.” – Jesus Christ – The Gospel according to St. Matthew – Matthew 22:37
THAT, my dear Donna, is the MEANING and PURPOSE to and for these human lives and our lifetimes!
Now as to these 27,000+ cults, sects and denominations all across our contemoporary World – all in possession of ‘The Bible’ which was STOLEN from the Roman Catholic Church during the Protestant Reformation;
When CRITICAL THINKING is applied to the underlying DYNAMIC which resulted in the ‘Shipwreck of Christianity’ in and throughout Europe – when you ‘Blow Away All Of the SMOKE’ belched out by the so-called ‘Reformers’ – Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Cranmer, Knox, Smythe, etc. – one comes to the UNDERSTANDING that the Protestant Reformation was nothing but a HUGE Continental European ‘Treasure & Land Grab’!!!
That’s ALL that it really and truly was.
The Kings, Queens, Princes, Nobility and Governing Officials of the various Nations and States and Duchies, etc. that made up contitental Europe at that time were presented with the following ‘Reformation Reality’:
IF the ruling official of his/her country, nation, duchie, etc. ADOPTED Protestantism as their nation’s/region’s ‘Official State Religion’, then the LANDS as well as the GOLD, SILVER, JEWELS, etc. that rightfully belonged to the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH became THEIR PROPERTY!
THAT’S what the Protestant Reformation really and truly was about – and NOT this so-called concerned over the ‘sale of indulgences’.
That underlying spiritual-religious MIND and HEART of those who zealously adopt and promote the horrendously FALLACIOUS notions of ‘Sola Scriptura!’ (‘The Bible Alone!’) as well as ‘Sola Fide!’ (‘Saved by Faith Alone!’) just goes on and on and on century in and century out.
Instead of getting the Roman Catholic Church’s LANDS and all of the GOLD, SILVER and JEWELS used to decorate the Cathedrals, Church Buildings, Altars, Statues, Icons, etc., today’s self-proclaiming ‘Reformers’ who go about starting up yet another ‘church’ and do so in order to get:
a 1) TAX EXEMPT STATUS from the I.R.S. which serves as the ‘COLLECTION AGENCY’ of the PRIVATELY OWNED Federal Reserve Banking System here in the U.S.A. and,
2) get to preach and teach the members of their ‘newly formed church’ of the VITAL NECESSITY of giving to their ‘pastoral staff’ which runs their ‘new church’ TITHES and other sorts of ‘MATERIAL-TEMPORAL GOODIES’ donations!
At the time the Protestant Reformation, it was the KINGS and the QUEENS and the PRINCES who decided FOR their people as to whether or not their nation-state-duchie would TAKE OVER the lands and the gold, silver and jewels of the Catholic Church in order TO ENRICH THEMSELVES.
In our day and age, it is the PEOPLE themselves who get to decide IF they want to become ENRICHED by renouncing/rejecting the Bishop of Rome and the Catholic Church while FULLY UTILIZING the Roman Catholic Church’s Own Canon of Sacred Christian Scripture which everyone refers to as ‘The Bible’!
See?
http://www.startchurch.com/?gclidCDqmi9On3aUCFcbd4AodqlQi1g
What you see happening in/with that particular Internet website address is THE SAME EXACT THING that was ‘The Protestant Reformation’ back in the days of Luther and Calvin and all of the others.
The King of England winds up getting for himself all of the LANDS that belonged to the Roman Catholic Church’s Monasteries there in England – as well as all of the GOLD and SILVER and JEWELS that adorned such places.
Calvin winds up being the national ‘Pastor John Hagee’ of the nation of Switzerland and, in fact, became the THEOCRATIC ‘ruler’ of the people of that nation.
The Catholic Chruch was DECIMATED throughout Europe during the Protestant Reformation in a fashion much like a pack of PARANA joining in a ‘Feeding Frenzy’, biting off their personal ‘chunk’ off the Body of Holy Mother Church.
One ‘parana’ got THEIR lands, gold, silver and jewels. Then another ‘parana’ decided to get THEIR lands, gold, silver and jewels. And then another. And then another. And yet another.
FINALLY, it took Napoleon Bonaparte to DECIMATE the remaining Papal States of ITALY.
The Kabbalah-Zohar Babylonian Talmudics, along with their Masonic allies, right along with the CORRUPT and entirely immoral and vice ridden rulers of the nations/states of Europe, and their ‘Reformers’ DECIMATED the Catholic Church and the Christian Faith of the Lord’s Apostles throughout Europe.
I don’t understand why anyone would willingly join or belong to a ‘Bible Alone’ protestant reformation co-called ‘church’ in order to GIVE AWAY 1/10th of the income to the presiding ‘pastor,’ ‘preacher’ or ‘teacher’ when those same individuals with “THEIR” bibles can go right out and start THEIR OWN personal denomination and obtain for THEMSELVES as well OTHER PEOPLE’S tithes/donations, an I.R.S. Tax Exemption as well as getting to be called ‘Pastor’, ‘Preacher’, ‘Teacher’, ‘Reverend’ – ANYTHING BUT the title of ‘Fr.’!
And our Catholic Church does not even get any sort of ROYALTIES from these other thousands of self-starting ‘Bible Alone’ cults, sects, denominations for USING our Roman Catholic Church’s Canon of Sacred CHRISTIAN Scripture!!!
A little ‘CRITICAL THINKING’ sure does go a long way in UNRAVELING this huge fine MESS that our contemporary World and our Human Race now finds itself.
– +Fr. Joseph
Regarding the “Father” question, If I am right I did not see it mentioned that also this is true:
In Matt. 23, it is also mentioned that the word teacher is not to be used. Again, this is obviously a statement directed to a particular situation and for a particular situation. Yet, Protestants have no problem calling their “teachers” as teachers.
Generally speaking, such views, derive from the illogical view that the Bible is enough to understand Christianity and implement it. This is of course not true, as it is much more important to live WITHIN the Holy Tradition of the Church, and only in this context to understand the Bible.
After all, it was the Orthodox Church who composed the Bible and not the other way around.
If anyone has ever had a spiritual Father, then they would fully understand why they call him a Father.
I hope I did not repeat info that had already appeared.
Stav
“After all, it was the Orthodox Church who composed the Bible and not the other way around.”
I’m sorry Stav, but that is completely wrong. The Bible was not composed by the Orthodox Church or any other church. It was composed from the first word of Genesis to the last word of Revelation by God Himself. This is affirmed by Peter in his second epistle.
Holy men of God (Moses to John) wrote what God wanted written, not what they chose. Often it is clear they themselves had no idea of the significance of what they were writing.
For example, Psalm 22 is a graphic description of what Jesus went through on the cross, His innermost thoughts. David wrote the words, but it is unlikely he himself understood their full significance. That would not be understood until after the fact.
Later in the same epistle, Peter includes the writings of Paul in the Scriptures. Most likely the Holy Spirit inspired him to do this knowing that later many would argue that Paul somehow went off on his own. Thus this argument was refuted before it was even made.
I’m not sure exactly of your argument. Is it that God is so incompetent that he cannot write a Bible whose directions can be understood by any sincere seeker with the help of the Holy Spirit?
Instead, I would suggest that what is illogical is your position that you, Stav,
are incapable of understanding what God wants you do to by reading what he wrote in the Bible, but that some other man besides you is capable of doing this and you just accept his word unquestionably.
If you can’t understand what God wrote, how could you ever accurately judge the ability of someone else to understand it?
Personally, I have had many teachers, but not one of them that I learned from ever came to me as a master, someone whose word I had to accept on their authority.
It is just about impossible to come into Christianity through any portal without picking up many false doctrines. If you sincerely seek the truth, someone will come along to argue for the falseness of each doctrine, but as a teacher, not a master.
They will make their case solely on the authority of the Scriptures and invite you to examine them for yourself to prove that is what God wants.
Since most false doctrines are based on Scriptures taken out of context, the cure is to read the whole Bible cover to cover frequently. God understands the benefit of repetition and the major points are made over and over. It’s very hard to get lost that way.
If on the other hand, you follow the traditions of men without making sure they comply with God’s word, it’s almost impossible to stay on the track.
Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, you name it. There are thousands of denominations, all different. There is one Bible. How can this be.
All these denominations represent the traditions of men and every one of these denominations cling to their man made traditions. In my experience, if you point out to any of them that God’s own word says something they are doing is wrong, they respond with rage. That too is illogical.
Considering the absolute power and might of God, you’d think they’d be concerned with any suggestion they might be off course and would want to check it out. They never do.
Thousands of different denominations cannot all be right, yet they all think they are and it’s the other guys that are wrong. That’s what happens when you put your trust in man instead of in God.
Mr. Phillips,
I start to ask myself ‘WHY DO I POST ANYTHING AT ALL TO THESE INTERNET WEBSITES when people DO NOT even take the time TO LOOK AT, TO EXAMINE, TO EMPLOY ‘CRITICAL THINKING’ to the facts, the truth, the many scholarly REFERENCES I present to them on any number of subjects?’
One last time….regarding ‘The Bible’ and regarding ‘Bible-Alone’ based cults, sects and denominations which all have contributed to the SHIPWRECKING of the Lord’s Apostolic Faith, His Church Militant here on earth and, MOST SADLY, to the loss of an uncountable numbers of souls TO SATAN to the the ETERNAL TORMENTS OF HELL!
Regarding the Canon of ‘The Bible’:
http://www.catholicapologetics.org/ap030700.htm
“Where We Got The Bible: Our Debt To the Catholic Church”
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/protestantism/wbible.htm
“How The Reformation Happened”
http://www.amazon.com/How-Reformation-Happened-Hilaire-Belloc/dp/0895554658
“The Facts About Luther”
http://www.amazon.com/Facts-about-Luther-Patrick-OHare/dp/0895553228
And ALL of the foregoing leads us into this contemporary MESS that our entire World now finds itself ON ACCOUNT OF what our NON-CHRISTIAN United States of America has done, is doing and will continue to do to its own citizens and the peoples of the other nations-states of our World:
“The American Religion – The Rise of the POST-CHRISTIAN Nation” – Harold Bloom
http://www.amazon.com/American-Religion-Emergence-Post-Christian-Nation/dp/0671867377
All of this is IN THE ‘PUBLIC DOMAIN’ and available to every last individual alive here in these United States of America – and to every last ‘Bishop’, every last ‘Pastor’, every last ‘Congregation Member’, every last ‘Bible Reader’ ALIVE throughout our contemporary World.
But ‘FACING FACTS’ and ‘FACING TRUTH’ entails employing CRITICAL THINKING – and as I’ve said here on RZN before – CRITICAL THINKING is not something that is in MUCH USE NOWADAYS by anyone here alive on our God-given Planet Earth – the Great, High and Mighty Elite right down to the Lowly and Insignificant Of-No-Great-Consequence human being of the ‘Rank & File’ and who belongs to “The Masses Of Useless Eaters”.
– +Fr. Joseph
Dear Mike Phillips
The Bible is a book. Therefore, some real world person wrote it. If is of course divinely inspired, but it still has to be written.
It was the Orthodox Church Priests, Bishops, Fathers and Monks, who collected a lot of writings, chose which ones where to be included in the cannon and then composed into what we know as the Bible today. Furthermore, both Old and New Testaments were written authoritatively in Greek, and so, they are to be understood in their full extent in Greek.
It is therefore very wise for you to consider, that if you do not know how to refer to the original Greek, again, for both the Old and the New Testaments, you are the one who is actually incapable of understanding it fully.
Furthermore, as an example, consider this. Who wrote the Apocalypse, where, and in what circumstances. Look it up, and know the Truth.
Because Jesus Christ is Lord and Truth and if you do not love the Truth, you do not Love Him.
It is the Church which preexisted before the Bible ever took real material form as we know it today. It was the Bible, written in Greek, Analyzed, Explained and Lived which preexisted any other version of it you may know today.
And most importantly, it was the Church which composed the Bible, within it’s tradition and divine experience, and not the Other way around. And which Church was around when the Bible was first composed? The one, undivided Orthodox Church.
In Christ our Lord,
Stav
Dear Stav,
“The Bible is a book. Therefore, some real world person wrote it.”
If you really believe this, then you should join the atheists because that’s exactly what they believe. This say the Bible is just the fanciful tales and fables of primitive men, just like thousands of other stories told in the world and certainly not something you should base your actions or your life on.
Furthermore, if the Bible is not the word of God, then you have no foundation for your religion whatsoever. Jesus certainly believed in the scriptures and quoted from them often. He regarded them as the word of God so if you don’t, then you are left adrift to the shifting opinions of men.
My belief is that the Bible is God’s word for all of us. Of course he used people to write it down and others to collect and put together what He wanted in it. However, that does not make the people He used superior to the word He wrote. How it got here really doesn’t matter.
It is either God’s word or it isn’t. I believe a thorough study of it will convince you that it is. You say you believe the Bible is inspired. If that is true, then I think you should agree with me on this point.
About the Old Testament being written in Greek. Come on. Moses didn’t write the first five books in Greek. David didn’t write his psalms in Greek. Greek was unknown then. Fortunately, though, in about 200 b.c. the Hebrew Bible was translated into Greek, called the Septuigent or the LXX.
This has been handy since from the time of Christ on the original Hebrew Bible has been in the hands of unrepentant Jews and it has served to keep them from mucking with it in a very significant way. God promised to preserve His word and he has interesting ways of doing so.
Jesus commanded his disciples to go and preach the gospel to the whole world. That required many languages. In the beginning before the New Testament was completed He gave the gift of tongues so his disciples could go to one nation after another and communicate. Since the New Testament has been written, it has been translated into many hundreds of languages.
While I have certainly found it very helpful to refer to the original Greek (through dictionaries and commentaries of people familiar with first century common Greek) it is not required. When you love the word of God you want the fullest possible understanding of it, but understanding the word of God is not the problem.
The problem is obedience. The word of God is constantly telling people to do things they don’t want to do. Or telling them not to do things they like to do. That’s why they need men and their traditions to tell them it’s OK to do what they want.
For example, in the case of Catholics, and Orthodox too if I am not mistaken, the Bible says over and over not to worship other men or even angels. Yet you worship and pray to a dead human, Mary.
That almost makes you like a Mormon. They teach that when you die you become a god and have your own planet to rule. You might not think that you become a god, but you must think Mary did if she is omniscient and can even hear your prayers.
Small clue. Human beings do not become God after they die. Only God is omniscient and can hear prayer. When you pray to Mary, God is the only one who can hear you and you are insulting Him when you do it.
When people leave the word of God for the traditions of men, obedience goes out the window and people start doing the exact opposite of what is commanded. I’m interested here in what is going on in this website.
Jesus commanded us to take NO THOUGHT for what we would eat or drink and instead seek first the kingdom of God and what we needed would be provided. Do we actually believe this? Do we operate our lives on this commandment of Jesus? What I see here is encouragement to buy silver and horde food, exactly the opposite of what Jesus said to do.
Jesus commanded us to love our enemies. If our enemy are Jews, and the Bible itself says they are for the sake of the gospel, then how do we “love” them. Do we advocate a military coup that would round them all up and kill them?
Or do we recognize that each one of them is a human being who will spend eternity in Hell if he doesn’t change his ways and preach the gospel to them? That probably won’t get very many of them and it certainly won’t make this world a more comfy place to live in, but who said we were supposed to do that? The Bible says to love not the world or the things in the world.
I would tell you the same thing I tell everyone. Read the Bible, particularly the New Testament since that is the covenant we are now under, and carefully consider each command of Jesus.
If you are presently doing what He said to do, then fine continue on. But, if you find you are doing something different than what Jesus commanded, then change. Let God tell you what is the right thing to do and not men.
Your brother in Christ,
Mike
Note:
For all of you who say this post is irrelevant and off topic. See my conclusions at the bottom part of this post. I left my lengthy reply for the end of the lifetime of Br. Nathanael’s article so as to not disrupt.
Dear, Mike Phillips
Please find your answers in line.
You say:
“If you really believe this, then you should join the atheists because that’s exactly what they believe.”…
First, I recall saying that the Bible is divinely inspired. I am guessing here, that that particular statement, is by definition not Atheist.
You say:
“Furthermore, if the Bible is not the word of God, then you have no foundation for your religion whatsoever.”
As I said before, the foundation of the Christian Faith, is firstly and most foremost it’s collective experience of Christ. That, in a nutshell is what we call Holy Tradition. It is within this Holy Tradition that the Bible as we know it today has arisen. This Holy Tradition, has preexisted the Bible AND generated the Bible.
You say:
“Jesus certainly believed in the scriptures and quoted from them often.”
It is interesting to note, that the version of the Old Testament that Jesus Christ quoted from, was the Septuagint. More on this later.
You say:
“He regarded them as the word of God so if you don’t, then you are left adrift to the shifting opinions of men.”
As I said before, I do believe that the Bible is the Word of God. There is no reason to doubt this, based on what I have written here.
Secondly, my opinions regarding the Christian Faith are not my own. This is because I am Orthodox. Furthermore, if you look what is happening in the west today, both in the “catholic,” but most importantly in the so called “protestant” Churches, it is there, where you will find a whole mosaic of people’s opinions being forwarded as if they are fact and correct understanding.
Not so, in the Orthodox Church.
You say:
My belief is that the Bible is God’s word for all of us.
No argument there.
You say:
“Of course he used people to write it down and others to collect and put together what He wanted in it.”
In fact, He used the same people to write, collect and put together. It was the Orthodox people who formed the first Church, within which they operated without a Bible as we know it today, for several Centuries.
This goes to augment what I said before, that it is really the Body of Christ in its experience of Him, which de facto forms the basis for our Faith, and is also the practical cause together with Gods Grace of the existence of the Bible.
You say:
“However, that does not make the people He used superior to the word He wrote.”
I did not say that the people were superior to the word He wrote. But your thinking and premise alone, reveal a weak view of things. There are several things to consider here:
1) When you say “He wrote”, do you mean actually wrote in the real world? I hope not, because the only written word that God Wrote Himself are 2-3 cases as recounted in the Old Testament, of which, one was the first delivery of the 10 commandments.
2) Thus, the second thing to consider, is that there were actually, people who wrote the texts of the Bible with pen and paper (so to speak).
3) That means, that when you say that God “wrote” the Bible, what you really mean, is that He wrote it firstly in the hearts and minds of the people who actually took it upon themselves to transcribe the understanding they received, into real, material form.
4) In this context, by definition, these people were given Gods grace and were given Gods blessing to understand the divine words that were eventually to be written on paper.
5) Thus, these particular people, were by definition used by God to produce His written word, but they also accepted and understood this task before anyone else did.
Thus, from the above point, we must accept that these people were seen by God, to be fertile and willing servants of God’s Will. Thus, by definition, this gives them value. I would not say superior yet, but read on:
Who is the Bible written for? Is it not written for all humanity? Thus, is it not a gift from God to all of us? Yes and Yes. Thus, by definition, the Gift is inferior to the person it is being offered to. Right? Right.
Thus, by definition, the Bible, which is the Gift, is inferior to the Person (All of Us). But, to see the value that Jesus Christ sees in all of us, you only need to remember that He offered his own Son, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, to save us. Still think that Jesus Christ does not value us more than anything else on this earth?
You say:
“How it got here really doesn’t matter.”
If you have understood the Bible and implemented it in your life, I guess that, it may not matter to you personally. However, there are historical and logical reasons for which you should actually be very interested in How exactly the Bible came to be.
The reason for this, is because if this information is forgotten, then you will also forget the serious arguments and discussions and most importantly the CONTEXT in which the Bible took form in the world. And it is important to remember, because it is this knowledge which will give you the ethical and spiritual basis to appreciate it even more.
Most countries in the world, celebrate some kind of independence day or national holiday. In the US for example, you honor your Founding Fathers. These people and the people of your country have achieved independence generations ago.
Would you say that it is unimportant to know the context and how your independence came about, and that all that matters is that you are now Free?
No, of course not, you would not. Because if you did, you’d forget and loose a huge part of what it means to actually be free and your would also forget the ethical basis for which Freedom is to be valued.
In a very similar way, it is also very important to not only know that there is a Bible, but also the way it came about. The process of arriving to this is the same, as the example about, but the more important the thing we are talking about, actually, the More important it is to know the full context.
Thus, if the Bible is more important that any Independence day, then , logically, you need to know more about how the Bible came about, than even your own country.
You say:
“It is either God’s word or it isn’t. I believe a thorough study of it will convince you that it is.”
I am in no need of convincing. I know the Bible is a divine origin, the Gift of God to us. and I know it, because I know how it came about.
You say:
“You say you believe the Bible is inspired. If that is true, then I think you should agree with me on this point.””
I believe the Bible is Divinely inspired. But what you don’t understand, is that it is part of a Whole, part of the Church, and thus it cannot be fully understood outside of it.
You say:
“About the Old Testament being written in Greek. Come on. Moses didn’t write the first five books in Greek.”
Moses wrote these books in a very limited written form (no vowels were written). Thus, it was absolutely required to know these books and more of them later, by heart, in order not to collectively forget the exact wording of the Scripture. This was for once and for all addressed with the Septuagint.
You say:
“David didn’t write his psalms in Greek.”
See above. The Old Testament was kept alive by a mix of partial writing and Oral Tradition.
You say:
“Greek was unknown then. Fortunately, though, in about 200 b.c. the Hebrew Bible was translated into Greek, called the Septuigent or the LXX.”
The Septuagint has a huge significance, which is not to be ignored by any serious Christian.
Jews, translated their own Scripture and authoritatively put it down on paper in a way that could take no ambiguity, forgetfulness or cheating anymore. This was so, by divine intervention, because the Messiah Jesus Christ was soon to come to the World.
And so, Jews sealed their own fate, by correctly and Pre-Christ, writing the Old Testament in a superior language for the purpose at hand, which is Greek.
And it is superior (again, for this particular purpose), because it us is powerful, specific, leaves no room for ambiguity or refutation. This was in preparation for the coming denial of the True Messiah y the Jews, themselves.
Thus, the most authoritative version of the Bible is the Septuagint OT and the Koine NT. It is extremely important to note here, that any other Bible version/language, contains corruption of the original word, ranging from simple weak translation or ambiguity, to pure blasphemy and intentional changing of the Good Message.
It is therefore, that I say that it is the Greek version of the Bible that needs to be consulted in order to understand the full Glory of Gods word. And yes, trust me, there is a new level of Glory to be experienced if you could read it in Greek.
You say:
“This has been handy since from the time of Christ on the original Hebrew Bible has been in the hands of unrepentant Jews and it has served to keep them from mucking with it in a very significant way. God promised to preserve His word and he has interesting ways of doing so.”
See above to understand the way what you write above, and much more was prevented. It is more than interesting, how the Septuagint came about.
It is genius and the most effective way it could have been possibly written. And the reason is that it was written in Greek, but written by the Jews themselves supervised by the then holy anointed High Priesthood of the Temple.
Double opt-in guarantee!
You say:
“Jesus commanded his disciples to go and preach the gospel to the whole world. That required many languages. In the beginning before the New Testament was completed He gave the gift of tongues so his disciples could go to one nation after another and communicate. Since the New Testament has been written, it has been translated into many hundreds of languages.”
It is important to note, that this beginning, that you talk about, did not last a mere few years. It lasted several centuries. Can you think how people got to know Jesus Christ, before the existence of the Bible?
You say:
“While I have certainly found it very helpful to refer to the original Greek (through dictionaries and commentaries of people familiar with first century common Greek) it is not required. When you love the word of God you want the fullest possible understanding of it, but understanding the word of God is not the problem.”
I agree. But for the wrong reasons. The reason why having the required expert knowledge to read the Bible in it’s full glory, in order to meet Jesus Christ, is not because of some personal power we have, be it love or anything else.
The reason why even a little child, or uneducated person can understand the Good Message, is because this understanding was given to them, by the Holy Spirit. And THAT, is exactly the core issue. If one has the Holy Spirit, they do not need the Bible. If one has the Bible, but not the Holy Spirit, nothing can help them anyway…
This is the view of the Orthodox Church, that the Bible, is divinely inspired, but without an humble attitude which can attract God’s Grace, it is of no good to us. Thus, here is a practical way, of how the spiritual and Church CONTEXT, affects the effectiveness of the Bible.
Think of the two men on each side of the Cross. They did not have the Bible there, they had our God, Lord Jesus Christ next to them. I would think, far more superior wouldn’t you?
Yet, one of them, found the freedom and pride to mock our Lord on the Cross. And the other one, who was finally humbled enough, accepted Him. What does this tell us?
It tells us, that if we are not willing to REALLY listen or understand, or if we are existing in a context of Pride and no true humbleness, then we cannot understand, nor benefit from the Bible.
You say:
“The problem is obedience. The word of God is constantly telling people to do things they don’t want to do. Or telling them not to do things they like to do. That’s why they need men and their traditions to tell them it’s OK to do what they want.”
There are two traditions: The tradition of men, and the tradition which is the sum total of the spiritual experiences within Christ. The first must be evaluated and taken with a grain of salt. The second, must be treasured and understood. Obedience is a different matter, see below:
You say:
“For example, in the case of Catholics, and Orthodox too if I am not mistaken, the Bible says over and over not to worship other men or even angels. Yet you worship and pray to a dead human, Mary.”
I don’t know where you get this idea. Is this perhaps your own personal opinion? We Orthodox do not worship Mary, (although I believe that to an extent the Catholics do worship Her). We Orthodox ask her to intercede for us to her Son Jesus Christ.
I would of course not expect you to understand this. But, suffice it to say, that trust me when I say it is not worship, but the appropriate application of Honor and Respect, based on our Holy Tradition.
You say:
“That almost makes you like a Mormon. ….but you must think Mary did if she is omniscient and can even hear your prayers.”
Mormons follow the teachings of a Demon. We Orthodox Christians, not only do not follow demons, but we adhere to the original Christian Faith, as it was given to us, before even the Bible existed.
Furthermore, as stated above, we do not think Mary is a Goddess, but we see her as the most Holy human being ever to exist. It is presumably pointless to explain why, to you, because you lack the context of all of this.
You say:
“Small clue. Human beings do not become God after they die. Only God is omniscient and can hear prayer. When you pray to Mary, God is the only one who can hear you and you are insulting Him when you do it.”
How do you know that God is insulted when we do it? Do you have scriptural support for this? Our collective thousands year old tradition, scripture, writings and experience tells us the exact opposite.
Furthermore, in Orthodoxy, there is the concept of “Theosis.” It may be a good subject for you to look at.
You say:
“When people leave the word of God for the traditions of men, …….. I’m interested here in what is going on in this website. ”
And:
“Jesus commanded us to take NO THOUGHT for what we would eat …….. to buy silver and horde food, exactly the opposite of what Jesus said to do.”
I agree, but perhaps in a slightly different way. In the Bible it is clearly mentioned to confess to our Priests, and indeed to have Priests, to fast. It tells us, what Jews really are. In the Bible, it is commanded to us, to eat and drink His body and blood, which is Literally His Body and His Blood and not just a means to remember.
Do all Christians do and understand this? No. Even those who claim to follow the Bible, word for word.
You say:
“Jesus commanded us to love our enemies. If our enemy are Jews, and the Bible itself says they are for the sake of the gospel, then how do we “love” them. Do we advocate a military coup that would round them all up and kill them?”
Jesus told us to love our enemies. This also implies to love our Friends, right? So if a Jews comes to kill your wife, son, child, father or mother or friends, what will you do? Are you not going to defend your self?
What if they pump you with poisons, radiation, junk food, lying media, day in and day out? What if they take your traditions, your Christianity, your ethics and replace them with Homosexuality, bestiality and all other manner of blasphemous abominations?
What if they start taking down our crosses, our nativity scenes, our Churches?
Oh, wait, THEY ARE ALREADY DOING IT!!!
Will you not resist then?
I am not talking about hating them. I am talking about defending our selves and our Christianity. Is that not worth it to you, based on what you were saying about the Bible?
You said your self, that according to your opinion, the people who wrote the Bible are not as important as the Bible it self.
I disagree, and I told you why, but more importantly: If you say that about the people who helped bring forth the Bible, then what about the people, who are Bible Haters?
That is the Jews. Zionist Jews love their Talmud more than the Torah, because it gives them more freedom to do what they want to do, which is kill, steal and dominate the world.
Will you not defend your loved ones and our loved Bible and Bible followers from these people? or will you let them destroy everything and let them rule and corrupt generation after generation?
Reading the Bible, out of context, and with pride in our hearts, helps us little. Consider, that all of these Jews, have the Torah, which is half of the Law, made for simpler times, but they don’t even understand that. The reason? Pretty simple, they have no humbleness.
In Christ our Lord,
Stav
Dear Stav,
Thank you for your thorough reply. It is always a pleasure to discuss the things of God with someone who cares about them. There are so few and they are so hard to find these days.
I am assuming that since this thread has run its course, we can post here without bothering anyone. If not, there is always the possibility of e-mail.
I have a limited amount of time tonight, but I will try to address some of your points and get to others later. Since we both agree that the Bible is the word of God, I don’t want to belabor this point too much, but a couple of things caught my attention.
“1) When you say “He wrote,” do you mean actually wrote in the real world?”
Yes, absolutely. But, this is the sense in which I mean it. Suppose a businessman wants to write a letter to a customer. He calls in his secretary, dictates the words and she writes them in shorthand.
Then she goes to her typewriter, types the letter and gives it to her boss for approval and signature. It is then mailed. Who wrote the letter, the boss or the secretary? If there is a question about something it says to do, do you refer to the letter itself or to the great-great-great granddaughter of the secretary who typed it?
Do you see my point? If you believe that the finished product is the word of God, then it doesn’t matter how it was written. That only matters if you doubt that the Bible is the word of God. Then you would require some sort of proof. You and I should be beyond that. The question now is are we following it?
Maybe better, have you ever had a “Josiah moment?” You can read about him at the end of 2nd Kings. Josiah was the last good king of Jerusalem.
His father Manasseh had ruled a long time and was evil. Judah had gone completely pagan and the written law had been lost for a long time. While digging around in the Temple, a copy was found and read before the king. They managed to do this despite the lack of vowels and that it had not been seen many years.
Josiah was surrounded by his priests and their traditions, but as he immediately recognized, they were not doing the will of God and severe punishments lay in store for them. He rent his clothes and immediately set about returning to God’s way. This is a clear case of the written word of God invalidating the traditions of men.
For me, I know I’ve had so many “Josiah moments” I can hardly count them all. Perhaps relevant to this forum, when I first became a Christian I accepted without question that Jews were God’s chosen people and they belonged in Israel.
I did this because I was surrounded by people who shared this view and could summon a few random out of context Bible verses to support their view. Fortunately, I made it my practice to read the Bible cover to cover, from Genesis to Revelation and before long I saw the error of this.
From the harsh condemnation of Israel by Isaiah and Jeremiah, not to mention others, then Jesus’ own statement the kingdom of God was taken from them, and Paul’s saying they were contrary to all men and our enemies for the sake of the gospel and many other points, it became obvious that this position was wrong.
When I tried to share what I had learned, it wasn’t appreciated. I was kicked out of their church. Unlike Josiah who was a king and could impose his view, I was an insignificant person to be dismissed.
I mention this because Jesus himself said to count the cost before deciding to follow Him. If you read the Bible and compare it with the traditions of men you will nearly always find where they differ.
I would say always not knowing any exceptions at this point, but I don’t know everything so I have to leave a little room.
From what you’ve told me so far, that seems to include the Orthodox church which appears to vary quite a bit from the Bible and not just the fancy costumes, the grand cathedrals and the elaborate rituals which are foreign to anything you will find in the New Testament.
If you were to find areas where you were convinced that the word of God was not being followed you would likely not be well received either.
I’m sorry I don’t have time tonight for an in-depth discussion of these items or especially your question, “Will you not resist?” One last thing about Bibles, though.
I have several with the Greek. The one that has been the most useful is the Interlinear Greek-English New Testament. It has each Greek word with a definition below it, and a literal translation of the text, They claim to have consulted recently dug up texts from the 2nd Century a.d. in addition to all the other available manuscripts. I’m not sure how that compares with yours.
I have lots of Bibles, new ones, old ones, Catholic, Protestant. One interesting one is called the Peshitta. It is translated from the Aramaic text and they argue that this preceded the Greek text. They might have a point.
The only recorded exact words of Jesus were “Talitha cumi” when he raised Jairus’ daugher and, “Eli, Eli la-ma sa-bach-tha-ni.” from the cross. These are not Hebrew words or Greek words. They are Aramaic words.
Jesus apparently regularly spoke Aramaic and so did his disciples, so maybe this is the prime source. One thing I know from experience now is that if I want to make a point from the Bible I can use just about any version and make the same point.
They all say the same basic thing, although some more precisely than others. I’m excluding the weird modern translations that try to make God a woman and eliminate sodomy for example.
Like I said earlier, the real problem is not understanding God’s word. If you study carefully, compare versions and (here I really agree with you) HUMBLY ask for the guidance of the Holy Spirit, you will see the truth.
The problem is you will see things that your flesh really doesn’t want to do. That’s where the rub is. Dying to the flesh is not something we look forward to, but that is what is required of Christians.
That’s all for tonight, this morning, afternoon, or whatever time it is in Greece. It is nice talking with someone across the world. I hope to get back to you soon.
In Christ,
Mike
Dear Mike,
Nice to talk to you too!!!
If you want, we can request from Br. Nathanael to exchange emails, so as not to fill these pages with off topic stuff.
In Christ our Lord,
Stav
Dear Stav,
As far as posting here or exchanging e-mails, either works fine for me. Since these messages are all moderated before being posted, maybe we should leave the decision to those running this site. If they would prefer we not post here, I can put up my e-mail address and we can get in touch that way.
Today I want to address the following:
“Jesus told us to love our enemies. This also implies to love our Friends, right? So if a Jews comes to kill your wife, son, child, father or mother or friends, what will you do? Are you not going to defend your self?
What if they pump you with poisons, radiation, junk food, lying media, day in and day out? What if they take your traditions, your Christianity, your ethics and replace them with Homosexuality, bestiality and all other manner of blasphemous abominations?
What if they start taking down our crosses, our nativity scenes, our Churches?
Oh, wait, THEY ARE ALREADY DOING IT!!!
Will you not resist then?
I am not talking about hating them. I am talking about defending our selves and our Christianity. Is that not worth it to you, based on what you were saying about the Bible?”
I have to say I love the way you put this, although on further reflection I don’t think you went far enough. Being way over in Greece I don’t think you fully appreciate how depraved, degenerate and Godless the United States has become.
It’s basically everybody. Americans do not think about God, even the ones who go to church once a week and do their part as the audience watching the performance. Most are completely oblivious to God on a day to day basis, concerned only about the latest sporting event, TV entertainment, etc. As long as they still have jobs and most still do, all they care about is their personal pleasure.
We have lived in luxury and ease for far too long. For the last century all our wars have been fought overseas in Europe or Asia, not on our soil. We haven’t been kept tough like you have even though you might not think your society is all that Godly either.
I started this discussion with the Bible because unlike most people I believe the Bible is something you should use to base your life and actions upon. While I hope you agree with me, at least you should understand where I am coming from with my arguments.
First a little disclaimer. Just because I say I am trying to base my actions upon the Bible does not necessarily mean I’m doing it right. I’m always learning. Feel free to examine all my arguments and if you think I’m misapplying what God teaches and can persuade me of that, I’ll change.
I think the place to start is with how God deals with nations. I won’t quote the whole thing, but here’s the beginning:
Deu 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:
At the beginning, the United States was largely populated by real Christians fleeing persecution in Europe. As a result (cause and effect relationship here) God blessed this nation with the things which follow in Deuteronomy 28. We were the breadbasket of the world, lived in prosperity, no one invaded us, etc. But God goes on:
Deu 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
This has also happened in the United States. We have left God. Wanton living abounds. Sodomy is celebrated, etc. Virtually nobody (maybe 1%) of Americans really care about God of what he wants any more. So, the same cause and effect relationship takes place again. While they all apply, here is one that is relevant to the discussion on this forum:
Deu 28:43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.
Deu 28:44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.
This is what God said HE, repeat HE, would do to any nation that left Him. There is little question that in the United States the Jews are “the stranger within thee” that God is using them to bring about His judgment. We have gone from the richest nation on earth to the most indebted. They are the head, we are the tail.
This important thing to understand is that this is God’s doing. The New Testament says the same thing in a little different way:
Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
In other words, God is running the show. He even uses wicked people to accomplish his purposes. Why would God want the Jews to do what they are doing? I’ll get to that in a bit. It involves the principle that all things work together for good to those who love God.
First, for a biblical example of a situation that is remarkably similar to that of that of the United States, we don’t have to go any further the story of Jeremiah.
In that case, like the U.S., Israel had left following God and God, as He said in Deuteronomy, was bringing the Babylonians to execute His judgment upon them.
The Babylonians were not a righteous people, but God used them anyway to accomplish his purpose. Jeremiah tried to give them the real solution to their problem (it is the same and only solution which will work for the U.S.) which was for the people as a whole to return to God and the problem would go away just like He promised in the first part of Deuteronomy28.
The people of Israel, however did not want to repent. They sounded very much like what you wrote above. “Hey, the Babylonians are coming to destroy our city, eradicate our traditions, tear down our Temple, rape our women and carry us off slaves. We must fight them.”
When Jeremiah couldn’t get the whole of Israel to repent, at God’s command he urged whoever would listen to surrender to the Babylonians and God would protect them. When the authorities heard this, they called Jeremiah a traitor for refusing to fight and tossed him in a cistern so he couldn’t talk to anyone anymore.
I’m sure they would have liked to kill him, but God promised Jeremiah His protection and when Jerusalem was later burned to the ground and its inhabitants carried away captive, Jeremiah walked away a free man. The people who fought the Babylonians (and hence God’s judgment) lost while those who followed God were approved.
So, why would God want to bring these terrible judgments, the Babylonians or in our case the Jews, upon us? Simple, God looks at the big picture and not the short term.
Everything on this earth is short term. We all live a few years and then we die. Eternity is forever. God is concerned about where we spend eternity.
The Bible says that God is not willing that any perish. Some people take this verse out of context to argue that God will eventually save everyone, but a reading of the whole Bible will show the error of that. Jesus said that most were on the broad way that leads to destruction, so obviously most will perish.
Therefore, this can only mean that God is not willing for any who “can be saved” to be lost. Since God is omniscient, can read all hearts and knows the future as well as the past, He is able to determine if there are any left who are “saveable.” (Do you like that word? I just invented it.)
Here it might be worthwhile to revisit the story of Sodom and Lot. The Lord had appeared to Abraham and told him of his plans for Sodom. Abraham was concerned since he knew his nephew Lot lived there and tried to negotiate. Surely God will not destroy the righteous along with the wicked? 50, 45, 40 etc, down to 10 it went. Finally God said He would not destroy it for ten and left.
The story really doesn’t end there. Lot was informed by angels of God’s plan and tried his best to convince his relatives to leave. He was not having much success and the angels finally grabbed him by the hand and told him he had to leave because they couldn’t do anything while he was still there.
Later Peter tells us in his epistle that Lot was the ONLY righteous person in Sodom. The angels only took Lot’s wife and two daughters because he would not leave without them. His wife became a pillar of salt and his daughter’s later behavior proved them less than righteous. In other words, God will not destroy a single person who He knows can be saved to get at the wicked.
The problem is how do you get the last few holdouts to turn to God? I’m talking here about Americans who care only about their personal pleasure and nothing about God.
Suppose for just a moment that Brother Nathanael’s plan of a military coup would work more spectacularly than even he can imagine and that the United States was returned to a land of peace and prosperity. What would be the incentive for pleasure loving Americans to turn back to God? Absolutely nothing. They would simply become more depraved.
There is an old military saying, “There are no atheists in foxholes.” In other words, when things become dire enough and people totally despair of solving their own problems, then and only then will they consider turning to God.
If all the people who could be saved were saved, then God would come and destroy the wicked right now. Since He hasn’t done that yet, there must be some left who are still reachable. You and I may not know who they are, but God does. Revelation suggests that there aren’t many and that most after suffering the plagues will curse God and not repent of their sins. But, there must be some.
Can you see now why God is doing what He is doing? He knows that the last of those He can save, NEED, REQUIRE, hard times, circumstances where they totally despair of solving things themselves, before their hearts are softened enough to turn to God.
In fact, that is exactly what happened to me in my life. God arranged circumstances for me that basically tore the life I was experiencing apart. Then and only then was I willing to consider God as a solution.
Afterward God restored to me, not everything by a long shot – He knows I couldn’t handle all that, but everything I’ve really needed. God is trying to save these people, those that still can be saved, and if you fight what God is doing, then you are fighting God.
I hope you can understand why I am not fighting the Jews or working for a military coup against the government. What I would like to do if I can is help God accomplish what He is trying to accomplish.
Right now if I try to speak about God to just about any American I know, I get blank stares or contempt. Another fellow American on this site, Disgusted White Christian has related the same problem with the people he knows.
I think that will change as things progress and times become difficult or perilous for more and more Americans. I expect I will then be able to find a few who will listen and I trust God will guide me to them.
I hope you can understand my Biblical reasons for the position I’m taking. Like I said at the beginning, I’m not infallible. I don’t know everything. If you think I’m applying these things the wrong way, feel free to tell me and explain how they should be applied. I will be more than happy to listen.
In Christ,
Mike
Dear Mike,
Sorry for not responding yet, I am a bit busy at the moment. Just wanted to say that I am not ignoring you.
In Christ our Lord,
Stav
Dear Stav,
I understand. No Problem. I got a little hung up myself this week so it probably worked out for the best.
I pray everything is well with you. I see from the news that there is a lot of turmoil in Greece at the moment. May the Lord watch over you and protect you.
In Christ,
Mike
Thank you Mike,
Indeed it is so, things are getting worse by the day here…
I’ll pray for you too!
In Christ our Lord,
Stav
Br. Nanthanael,
You say you were Jewish, but now a Christian. Are you saying that being Jewish is all about religion and nothing about race?
We know Jews have Tay Sachs and Gouchers. I mean let’s be truthful. You are telling us the truth about so many things and you should point out that Judaism is the religion, but Jewish is a distinct group of people. I hope you do.
There are other Jews that tell the truth. Most of them will say the same thing that there are good Jews and bad Jews and that it’s just a religion.
Br. Nathanael,
You talk about Christianity, but to show you how some “Christians” are full of BS.
If you went to any of these TV Evangelists and wanted to speak at their church they would not allow, because they all kiss Israel’s arse. I’m sure you know this.
It’s pathetic. All these “Christians” praise the Jews and would never allow you near their church. They talk about Judeo-Christian religion, but you know the two are totally different. But look at how much money they make — their churches are full.